What message is Rome sending?

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LeroyCRHP said:
The parable of the shepherd searching for one lost sheep is good. We do not need another schism. It is great to bring them in if possible. ** The next step will be interesting.**
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At this point it’s just a rumor, but it comes from a priest, and something very important is supposed to be clarified on or around February 2nd that pertains to the suspensions of the SSPX priests, marriages and such.

As far as the OP, "Is Rome blinking ? "

Not on H.H BXVI’s watch she won’t. 😉
 
joandarc2008 said:
I am not implying that he was an “eager participant” as you put it. However I am reminded that there are two kinds of mortal sin: sin of comission and sins of omission.

This is where only the Pope himself can know why he did what he did or failed to what he did. I wonder if during his time in those youth groups if he knew of the atrocities. If he knew of the atrocities did he himself consider becoming an agent of subversive forces that were out there. Yes, we are full aware of what the consequences would be. Many of our 20th century Saints came out of this horrible period of our history because they stood up to what they KNEW to be wrong. Every day when we stand by and do nothing when we know something to VERY VERY WRONG we committ a sin of omission. I am not even saying that he committed this sin. Maybe he knew nothing of the atrocities or did not truly believe them because they were so horrific. But yes, I believe that someone that stood by and did NOTHING because they were AFRAID to die and meet God committed a mortal sin of omission and those people are just as guilty as Hitler himself. “I was just a soldier” was not a credible defense at the Neuremberg trial nor should it have been.

Maybe this a second lesson we need to take from this - and I don’t know who said it so if someone can share I would appreciate it greatly:

For those that say I am only one person what can I do, I say look around great things have been accomplished by groups of single persons doing something.

And yes that was paraphrased. Thanks.Sorry if I offended I do love the Church and I am only saying that hypothetical actions would be wrong because I was not there to know what was in his heart at the time.

God bless,
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I find this to be a bit of a narrow minded viewpoint. Since we have no way to know the plans of God. What if God wanted the future Pope to be right there at that time to witness what was being done to the Chosen People? What if God wanted to steer the Church to accepting the Chosen People as brothers and this is how He did it?
 
It’s incredible how much attention in the media and online forums the whole issue of the SSPX and Bishop Williamson’s personal views are receiving. The reality is that Holocaust deniers have spoken in Catholic Church halls and universities in numerous countries and regularly recieve Holy Communion in our churches. Where is the outcry on this ? Or does the fact that acceptance of the Holocaust against the unborn is now so widespread, that when a courageous Cardinal suggests that a politician who has voted to continue this Holocaust, should not receive Holy Communion until they repent, well then alot of people think we’re getting too extreme.
Many may not like what the SSPX have to say, but unlike the pro-abortion speakers who are occasionally allowed to speak in our church halls and universities, you'll never hear them advocate murder.
 
Seamus_L said:
…but unlike the pro-abortion speakers who are occasionally allowed to speak in our church halls and universities, you’ll never hear them advocate murder.
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Are you stating that people are advocating for abortion privileges in RC church halls?

That I doubt.
 
lorathon said:
I find this to be a bit of a narrow minded viewpoint. Since we have no way to know the plans of God. What if God wanted the future Pope to be right there at that time to witness what was being done to the Chosen People? What if God wanted to steer the Church to accepting the Chosen People as brothers and this is how He did it?
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The Chosen People?:tsktsk: They’re called Jews.
 
lorathon said:
Are you telling me that the “Jews” have never been called the “Chosen People”? This is news to me.
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They *were *the Chosen People, until they refused to accept the Chosen One of God.
 
joandarc2008 said:
I think it is a safe assumption that any human being regardless of their stature within the Church has sinned. Read the Bible.
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My apologizes. I would have been more correct to say you assume a particular sin.
 
lorathon said:
No, I have not.
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Really? Please tell me you’re not ignorant of the pedophile cases in the Church? If priests could commit these heinous acts, they can preach the goodness of immoral acts/behavior. You agree? I traveled quite a bit so I got an earful of smut here and there.
 
latinmasslover said:
Really? Please tell me you’re not ignorant of the pedophile cases in the Church? If priests could commit these heinous acts, they can preach the goodness of immoral acts/behavior. You agree? I traveled quite a bit so I got an earful of smut here and there.
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This is leading this thread off topic but I find this to be a strange statement. To say that because a priest has sinned in this way means that he is preaching homosexuality is ridiculous. When ever you read about these cases the parishinors are always suprised. Why would they be surprised if they had been getting an earful of homosexual preaching? And as far as I know priests are still human. Meaning they still sin and yet they still say Mass and lead their congregation to salvation.
 
Dauphin said:
You’re in California for goodness sake! Do you honestly expect us to believe that? :rolleyes:
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The statement was CONDONING homosexuality and PREACHING it from the pulpit.

I have NEVER had a Priest preach that Homosexuality is good. NEVER
 
Dauphin said:
You’re in California for goodness sake! Do you honestly expect us to believe that? :rolleyes:
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This may rock the boat.

An Irish friend of mine got into an argument with a lady from California, as to whether we should just accept homosexuality, and get on with life… so the argument went on, getting no where.

The lady was asking him “do you have have homosexuals in Ireland”, etc etc.

and he just said, all of a sudden, “do you have homosexuals in California?”, “yes”, and “do you have earthquakes in California?”, “yes”.

In the driest Cork accent: “isn’t God amazing”…
 
lorathon said:
This is leading this thread off topic but I find this to be a strange statement. To say that because a priest has sinned in this way means that he is preaching homosexuality is ridiculous. When ever you read about these cases the parishinors are always suprised. Why would they be surprised if they had been getting an earful of homosexual preaching? And as far as I know priests are still human. Meaning they still sin and yet they still say Mass and lead their congregation to salvation.
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I didn’t say that because priests are still human means that they themselves are proclaiming the morality of sin to the world. You were implying that priests *do not *preach error, or the righteousness of certain sins. *What I am saying is *that if they could commit such serious sins, what makes you think that there aren’t some who preach grievous error? There are priests who say there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality, abortion, birth control…that women should be ordained, that the Consecration is symbolic only…Mass attendance on Sundays are optional…and on the list goes. I’m sorry, but to deny this is grossly naive.
 
603304529 said:
This may rock the boat.

An Irish friend of mine got into an argument with a lady from California, as to whether we should just accept homosexuality, and get on with life… so the argument went on, getting no where.

The lady was asking him “do you have have homosexuals in Ireland”, etc etc.

and he just said, all of a sudden, “do you have homosexuals in California?”, “yes”, and “do you have earthquakes in California?”, “yes”.

In the driest Cork accent: “isn’t God amazing”…
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Some how I believe that this is getting us no where. It seems that you three believe that I am condoning homosexuality now because I live in California. This is very interesting and extremely judgemental based on where I reside.

I would like you point out where I stated that I believe homosexuality should be preached in Church. Point out where I stated that priests should advocate homosexuality in Church.
 
lorathon said:
The statement was CONDONING homosexuality and PREACHING it from the pulpit.

I have NEVER had a Priest preach that Homosexuality is good. NEVER
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And you’ve heard *every *homily from *every *priest? Just because you haven’t experienced them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
 
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