What Mormons Think Of The Trinity

[Dia_Jen_Feng]

You would be correct then. The Catholic Church teaches that God does not have flesh, but is true spirit. But i don’t really understand what you were trying to say earlier sorry bout that.

I’m not trying to say anything. Its really hard with the overwelming scritptures proof going one way or the other. So how does the Catholic Church explain the creation, Jacob talking to God face to face and live, Stephen etc. I presented a statement to see if anyone wanted to poke holes in it. It would appear that I have a proper understanding. So thank you.

Dia

 

[valient_Lucy]

23 years, left it behind and remained an atheist for many years.

Wow, sounds eerily familiar.

God bless you and welcome home!
Paul

I’ve heard that before, someone saying that if an LDS member doesn’t have somewhere to go after they leave the church (such as Catholicism or another Christian denomination) that they tend to become atheists.

 

[PaulDupre]

I’ve heard that before, someone saying that if an LDS member doesn’t have somewhere to go after they leave the church (such as Catholicism or another Christian denomination) that they tend to become atheists.

Hi Lucy,
In my case, I was so devastated and disillusioned when I discovered that I had been scammed by the Mormons, that I determined never to believe in anything ever again. It took 15 years to get over that.

I have heard from other ex-Mormons that this is a very common thing. Many never recover.

God bless you,
Paul

 

[RebeccaJ]

I’ve heard that before, someone saying that if an LDS member doesn’t have somewhere to go after they leave the church (such as Catholicism or another Christian denomination) that they tend to become atheists.

Us former mormons tend to turn into religious refugees. Our home and anchor in life are gone and we drift, looking for a place to belong.

I have read conversion stories, one where a mormon turned bapist turned catholic. I met a woman once who had embraced paganism and changed her name to reflect her new beliefs.

Actually, there are quite a few former mormons in our RCIA class. I think I am the only one who was an atheist. Everyone else is converting straight across.

Some mormon converts revert back to the religion they were before they joined mormonism. Some revert back to mormonism, in some of these cases they don’t believe in the religion at all, but they can’t take the loss of family and community and the anchorless drifting is too hard on their psychs.

Some go mormon fundamentalist, generally these people believe that Joseph Smith was a real prophet, restored the true church, the whole ball of wax. But they believe that sometime between Joe and now, the mormon church went wrong. So they look for another mormon religious group, not lds, or in some cases they just fire up their own religion. Joe did it, why can’t they?

There is a good book about a family who started their own religion, and instituted “blood atonement”. It is by Jon Krakauer, “Under the Banner of Heaven”. It is a true story, and creepy in what people can bring themselves to justify in the name of God.

LIke PaulDupre said, a lot of exmormons get so disillusioned and don’t trust any religious organization of any kind. Some go agnostic, atheist, and a lot of people just sort of take this and that out of a conglomeration of belief systems and aren’t any religion, but call themselves spiritual. Also, I know a lot of Universalist Unitarians who are former mormons. The UUs are an accepting community for these religious refugees who don’t trust religious doctrines and dogmas.

 

[erichard]

Would you please explain how that is not polytheism?

Thank you,

Ryan

In the same way that THREE personages: the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE God.

Richard

 

[ryanoneil]

In the same way that THREE personages: the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE God.

Richard

I’m afraid I don’t see the similarity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Trinity) really are one God and not some collective of different gods. The Trinity has always been, and no god will come after.

Isaiah 43.10 *You are my witnesses, says the LORD, my servants whom I have chosen To know and believe in me and understand that it is I. Before me no god was formed, and after me there shall be none. *

Compairing Isaiah to the saying “What man is, God once was; what God is, man will become.” is like compairing apples and oranges. IMHO

Peace,

Ryan

 

[erichard]

I’m afraid I don’t see the similarity. …Peace,

Ryan

Well we disagree.

I have another question from another trinity discussion:

What about us? Can we be “brothers” to Christ our Creator? And how can Mary be the “Mother of Jesus Christ” if Christ is uncreated and the Creator of Mary herself?

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. --Rom 8:29

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren. Heb 2:11

These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. Acts 1:14

Richard

 

[FCEGM]

Well we disagree.

I have another question from another trinity discussion:

What about us? Can we be “brothers” to Christ our Creator? And how can Mary be the “Mother of Jesus Christ” if Christ is uncreated and the Creator of Mary herself?

Richard, Christians are brothers (and sisters) of Christ - and of each other - through spiritual adoption, as St. Paul teaches. Our spiritual adoption as sons and daughters of the Father, thus brothers and sisters of Christ, is accomplished through baptism in His Life, Death and Resurrection. See Eph. 1:3-6, Eph. 5:25 ff; 1 Cor. 12:13; Col. 2:11-12.

I think you mean to say how is Mary “Mother of God”. She is this because the Son born of her is God Incarnate. Her title “Theotokos” is given to her (Council of Ephesus, A.D. 431) to teach the reality of the Incarnation of God the Son, the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity Who became Incarnate as the Man Jesus, called “the Christ”. Mary is thus Mother to Him and to all incorporated into Him through Baptism.

 

[MH84]

…And how can Mary be the “Mother of Jesus Christ” if Christ is uncreated and the Creator of Mary herself?

From what I understand:
Mary gave birth to the man, Jesus. But Jesus was divine from all eternity. So in effect Mary gave birth to Jesus, who never for an instant gave up His divinity while becoming man. This is why she is mother of God. SHe is not the mother of God the Father or God the Holy Spirit, bt God the Son. All Christians should be calling Mary the mother of God.

 

[ryanoneil]

Well we disagree.

I have another question from another trinity discussion:

What about us? Can we be “brothers” to Christ our Creator? And how can Mary be the “Mother of Jesus Christ” if Christ is uncreated and the Creator of Mary herself?

Richard

There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree. Love of God and neighbor is the important thing.

As for Christ, He is the older brother, as well as Lord and God, of those born again by water and Spirit. (us)

*For those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received a spirit of adoption, through which we cry, “Abba, Father!” The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if only we suffer with him so that we may also be glorified with him. * (Rom. 8:14-17)

As for Mary, Jesus was unique in being a human being with a pre-human existence. He took on a human nature at the Incarnation. Mary gave birth to this human who also happens to be God, her creator.

Peace,

Ryan