What Muhammad taught you not to do?

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b_justb said:
Possible terms:

reticulate - netted; covered with a network

reticulata - Custard. A pie made with a crust. A mixture of milk and eggs, sweetened, and baked or boiled.

retinulate - Having, or characterized by, retinula. (a group of elongate neural receptor cells forming part of an arthropod compound eye: each retinula cell leads to a nerve fiber passing to the optic ganglion)

Well that certainly should clear it right up.

So:

Becomes "dont be friends to those who -]rediculate/-] (covered with a network) your religion"

or

"dont be friends to those who -]rediculate/-] (Custard. A pie made with a crust. A mixture of milk and eggs, sweetened, and baked or boiled) your religion"

or

"dont be friends to those who -]rediculate/-] (Having, or characterized by a group of elongate neural receptor cells forming part of an arthropod compound eye: each retinula cell leads to a nerve fiber passing to the optic ganglion) your religion"

Yeah I get it now.
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i may misused the word i was trying to say that they do ridiculous things about islam:(
 
water said:
According to what you posted above, the teaching seems to have lack of love.

I don’t know how accurate the translation is, but would let the two friends here whose faith is Muslim, give their own answer to the quotes above.
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if you know how many times i posted an answer to taking verses out of context you would know how many arrogants are there 😉
Anti-Islamic people often use the following verses to justify the stereotype that Islam is a religion of violence and intolerance, which was spread by the sword. The explanations here were aided by Abdullah Yusuf Ali’s commentary on the Holy Quran.

Sura 8.12 “Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them.”

Sura 9.5 “When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them.”

Sura 47.4 “When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives.”

Sura 8 is about a BATTLE - the Battle of Badr - not just some daily affair. A battles take two side to occur. Are you under the impression that while these ‘horrid’ Muslims were fighting, the enemies were simply standing there like good little peaceful men?

Sura 47 was revealed during the first year of Hijrah when the Muslims were under threat of extinction by invasion from Makkah.

Sura 9 is interesting. Non-Muslims almost invariably quote verse 5 but leave out verse 4 and 6. Why? Because verse 4 says, “But the treatires are not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have you subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God Loves the righteous.”

And verse 6 says, “If one among the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him so that he may hear the Word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure.”

So basically what has been done above is:
  1. The background to each sura was shown. One cannot take a verse revealed for a battle and insist it is if for the daily affairs of Muslims.
  2. It was shown how Non-muslims who wish to attack Islam, conveniently leave out verses before and after their quoted verse. Above, I have shown only one of the many examples.
 
ahmadhassan said:
Sura 9.5 “When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them.”

Sura 47.4 “When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives.”
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Could you please explain the above verses.
I want to understand the followings?

1 - what it means by “kill the idolaters whereever you find them”?
2- who are idolaters?
3- what about “strike off their heads”? why?
4- “tie up the remaining captives?”
5- who are the captives?

Thanks!
 
water said:
Could you please explain the above verses.
I want to understand the followings?

1 - what it means by “kill the idolaters whereever you find them”?
2- who are idolaters?
3- what about “strike off their heads”? why?
4- “tie up the remaining captives?”
5- who are the captives?

Thanks!
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its seems that you dont read my posts .read that one before your Q:D
 
ahmadhassan said:
its seems that you dont read my posts .read that one before your Q:D
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yes, I ddid. But I still could not understand clearly.

For example:
One of the verses that you have:
Sura 9.5 “When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters whereever you find them.”
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Now, as you mentioned that one should look at the verse before and after:

So, here I looked at:

The verse Before:
Sura 8.12 “Remember thy lord has inspired the angels with the message. Give firmness to the believers and instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite the fingertips of them.”
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The verse After:
Sura 47.4 “When you encounter the unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Untill you have made a wide slaughter among them tie up the remaining captives.”
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So, for me…the verses before and after …are what confuse me more: it is all about “Smite them above their necks…the fingertips…”…and “strike off their heads…wide slaughter among them…”.

Because of that confusions, I asked you - not attacked by any mean:
1 - what it means by “kill the idolaters whereever you find them”?
2- who are idolaters?
3- what about “strike off their heads”? why?
4- “tie up the remaining captives?”
5- who are the captives?
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edited: I figure you talked about the verses before and after in the order in the book. I don’t have one, and based on all the verses you quoted, I had to use them to ask questions.
 
water said:
yes, I ddid. But I still could not understand clearly.

For example:
One of the verses that you have:

Now, as you mentioned that one should look at the verse before and after:

So, here I looked at:

The verse Before:

The verse After:

So, for me…the verses before and after …are what confuse me more: it is all about “Smite them above their necks…the fingertips…”…and “strike off their heads…wide slaughter among them…”.

Because of that confusions, I asked you:
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looooooooooooooooooooool
verse before mean 9:4 ,9:6
4. Except those of the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfil their treaty to them for the end of their term. Surely Allâh loves Al-Mattaqûn (the pious - See V.2:2).
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 5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (See V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[1]

 6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
for other verses see chronology and also do same thing by seeing verse before and verse after for each

answers for your questions
Q1,Q2-it means all pagans who in arab pinansula that where fighting muslims.

Q3 strike their heads yes bec they were fighting muslims and they were preventing muslims from preaching islam.
Q4 its clear
Q4 captives of the war
 
exoflare said:
  • Eat pork.
  • Drink alcohol.
  • Listen to music.
  • Collect interest.
  • Make friends with non-muslims.
  • Acknowledge non-muslims as equal human beings as muslims.
  • Spare the life of a person who left Islam.
  • “Worship other gods” (this is code for “disagree with Mohammed”)
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Sounds accurate to me.
 
ahmadhassan said:
sure this accuracy like telling accuracy of bible 😃
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So which of these is allowed in Isalm? What is accurate?

Originally Posted by exoflare forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*- Eat pork.
  • Drink alcohol.
  • Listen to music.
  • Collect interest.
  • Make friends with non-muslims.
  • Acknowledge non-muslims as equal human beings as muslims.
  • Spare the life of a person who left Islam.
  • “Worship other gods” (this is code for “disagree with Mohammed”)*
 
BelFarfalla said:
So which of these is allowed in Isalm? What is accurate?

Originally Posted by exoflare forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*- Eat pork.
  • Drink alcohol.
  • Listen to music.
  • Collect interest.
  • Make friends with non-muslims.
  • Acknowledge non-muslims as equal human beings as muslims.
  • Spare the life of a person who left Islam.
  • “Worship other gods” (this is code for “disagree with Mohammed”)*
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🙂 see here to know islam-guide.com:thumbsup:
psst the answer is none 🙂
islam forbides
drinking alcohol
listen to music
Spare the life of a person who left Islam
Worship other gods
 
ahmadhassan said:
looooooooooooooooooooool
verse before mean 9:4 ,9:6
4. Except those of the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfil their treaty to them for the end of their term. Surely Allâh loves Al-Mattaqûn (the pious - See V.2:2).
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 5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (See V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[1]

 6. And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.
for other verses see chronology and also do same thing by seeing verse before and verse after for each

answers for your questions
Q1,Q2-it means all pagans who in arab pinansula that where fighting muslims.

Q3 strike their heads yes bec they were fighting muslims and they were preventing muslims from preaching islam.
Q4 its clear
Q4 captives of the war
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So, if I go to a Muslims majority country, and preach about Christ but nothing against Muslim, would you not chop my head off?
 
water said:
Remember Muhammad taught you not to insult others. 😃 😉
You told me to read your post, but then you didn’t read mine either.
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oh i did read yours ,second i didnt insult you ,i`m not like most christians here
 
ahmadhassan said:
oh i did read yours ,second i didnt insult you ,i`m not like most christians here
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It is good that you didn’t insult. This will make our conversation better; however, I wouldn’t go too far to say “most Christians” here are insulting.
 
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