What must I do to be saved?

[pablope]

written was enough for one to belief and have life.

I agree 100% that one needs to do the will of the Father. So naturally, the question is: what is the will of the Father?

i do not think I evaded it. I said "But believing is not enough, isn’t it. One still needs to do the will of the Father. And also, as John said in his last chapter, not all things about Jesus are contained in the writings: "…God is not limited to the written word.

Luckily, Christ tells us exactly what it is:

For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:40)

The will of the father is that everyone believes in Christ; couldn’t have said it better myself!

That is just one part in one part of the Gospel. There are the others too that complement or make complete this verse:

John 6:56"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

From Matt 16:24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
or
Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Luke 14:27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

or:

1John 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

Now and in the future. If you get a chance, read Edwards’ Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

. According to John’s Gospel, God’s wrath is current and future:

As is stated here, God’s wrath remains on everyone until they believe in the Son of God. Currently, everyone outside of God’s grace is under His wrath. And of course there is the future wrath on the day of judgment that believers will be protected from.

I believe I have shown enough Scripture to demonstrate such. If more is required then so be it:

Please don’t throw all these verses out by either a) claiming I’m ripping them out of context or b) appealing to James. I am prepared to deal with James, but only if you deal with my texts

As I stated above, the verses you qouted are just one part or just the beginning. There is something else.

I would just cite here Romans 11:

20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off

There is the condition to remain in grace…“provided that you continue in his kindness”.

Heb 10 pretty much echoes Romans 11;

heb 10
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. :

36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

Only by persevering does one attain what is promised.

Would it not be dependent on the motives? Who is this altruist attempting to glorify by his actions? If he is not glorifying God, then the good deed is only an attempt to puff himself up. Think of Sean Penn with camera men following him while he does good deeds; do you think he’s attempting to glorify God?

Yes, it is dependent on the motives. What if the motives were indeed noble and not for glory of oneself, but out of the goodness of his heart, that an atheist went to a homeless shelter to feed the homeless?

God certainly knows the heart:

 

[copperblade]

I would say you have it backwards, of course.

Employing the principles of algebra…“faith = works + salvation”…faith-works=salvation

Certainly. But I think what was meant was:

faith + works → salvation

faith → works + salvation

or rather faith → works & faith → salvation

 

[Rogare]

i do not think I evaded it. I said "But believing is not enough, isn’t it. One still needs to do the will of the Father. And also, as John said in his last chapter, not all things about Jesus are contained in the writings: "…God is not limited to the written word.

I agree that He isn’t limited to the written word; however, I still maintain, however, that the Bible contains all that is necessary for salvation. Until you can show otherwise, there’s no reason to accept Sacred Tradition.

That is just one part in one part of the Gospel. There are the others too that complement or make complete this verse:

John 6:56"He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

From Matt 16:24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.
or
Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Luke 14:27 And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.

or:

1John 2:24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

I agree with you still. However, as shown previously, all of these things follow faith; it would be absurd to think that someone that doesn’t have faith in Christ would ever take “take his cross and follow Christ.” I do all that you’ve suggested concerning good works, but I do them as a result of thankfulness to Christ rather than an attempt to merit salvation.

As I stated above, the verses you qouted are just one part or just the beginning. There is something else.

I would just cite here Romans 11:

20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off

There is the condition to remain in grace…“provided that you continue in his kindness”.

Heb 10 pretty much echoes Romans 11;

heb 10
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. :

36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

Classic Protestant exegesis isn’t stymied by these verses. We believe in both the visible and invisible church. As these letters were written to the visible church, which would contain false professors, these passages serve to warn the false professors of impending danger.

Yes, it is dependent on the motives. What if the motives were indeed noble and not for glory of oneself, but out of the goodness of his heart, that an atheist went to a homeless shelter to feed the homeless?

Since I hold to the doctrine of total depravity, the idea of there being any “goodness of heart” is incompatible with an atheist. Without God nobody is good:

All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one. (Romans 3:12)

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone. (Luke 18:19)

Since no atheist is good, he can produce no good fruit:

A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. (Mat. 7:18)

 

[pablope]

I agree that He isn’t limited to the written word; however, I still maintain, however, that the Bible contains all that is necessary for salvation. Until you can show otherwise, there’s no reason to accept Sacred Tradition.

Actually, I am going to ask you…where is the chapter and verse where it states it contains all necessary for salvation?

Tradition…the Bible itself is the product of ST, same with the doctrine of the Trinity.

Let me ask you another question: Where is the chapter and verse (excluding title and table of contents) where Mark claims authorship of the Gospel of Mark?

Have you not come across 2Thes2:15?
So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

And the Bible itself states it is not the foundation and pillar of truth, isn’t it?

1Tim3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Here is a thread discussing the sufficiency of Scripture (very scholarly debate and went over the 1000 post limit):
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=8036127&highlight=miguel+sastre#post8036127

I agree with you still. However, as shown previously, all of these things follow faith; it would be absurd to think that someone that doesn’t have faith in Christ would ever take “take his cross and follow Christ.” I do all that you’ve suggested concerning good works, but I do them as a result of thankfulness to Christ rather than an attempt to merit salvation.

 

[Rogare]

Actually, I am going to ask you…where is the chapter and verse where it states it contains all necessary for salvation?

 

[Bookcat]

Regarding Faith and works in Paul…

Faith and works in these two:

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081119_en.html

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081126_en.html

and an earlier audience

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20061108_en.html

Pope Benedict XVI

 

[Bookcat]

We are saved by Jesus Christ of Nazareth the Son of God.

One is to…

Be in Christ, remain in Christ, die in Christ.

Such of course involves the Church too…

Such begins by repentance…Faith and Baptism…

(even those who with out fault do not know Christ
and his Church…who in a way known by God
are saved…it is Christ who will save them…and
not apart from the Church either)

We are saved by the death and resurrection
of Christ…

…in him is true life.

And thus we experience this true life in his Church such as in his
Sacraments, Sacred Scripture, prayer etc…

(of course there is much that could be said…such great riches…)

 

[pablope]

QUOTE=Rogare;8080868]

I still don’t understand why you are ignoring John 20:31. Once again:

John is suggesting (under inspiration of the Holy Spirit) that what he wrote was sufficient for one to believe that Jesus is the Christ and that by believing this we may have life

in his name.

Ignoring it? I did not, I said that is just one part or the beginning-to know who Christ is and to believe He is the son of God. John wrote to supplement the other Gospels.

You seem to focus only on John’s or one section of John’s Gospel.

Paul informed Timothy that the Scriptures he possessed were able to make him wise unto salvation:

and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (2 Timothy 3:15)

Paraphrased: You have the Scriptures; they provide the information that allow you to be saved through Christ Jesus.

I remember this being discussed in another thread. I would repeat that this is the usual protestant tradition to miss v14, which states…

14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,

This speaks of oral teaching and guidance, not just scripture alone.

Let me stress: I have no problem with Sacred Tradition. I love it. I have read Jurgens, Pelikan, Schaff, Kelly, etc. The only thing we differ in is the authority of Tradition. Protestants evaluate Tradition in light of the Bible; if it’s not in the Bible, it’s not binding. ** Sola scriptura**

does not reject tradition, it just doesn’t hold it as authoritative./QUOTE]
For this to be true, the Bible has to state it, right? So where does the Bible state this fact?

This is a perfect example of ripping something out of context. What is Paul talking about in 2 Thessalonians? Eschatology. It certainly isn’t soteriology, Mariology, Ecclesiology, etc. It’s overwhelmingly dishonest to drive the truck of tradition through this one verse.

Why is it out of context? Paul is speaking of what he taught, which he got from the Apostles-which later became Sacred Tradition, which predates any earliest writing of the NT and the Church surviving without Scripture for 400 years prior to the Bible being canonized.

The CC has understood the Bible for 1100 years prior to any protestant denomination.

So which or who do you think is being dishonest?

I would urge you to watch your words, and not label anything “dishonest”. We may disagree and even though I disagree with some of your interpretations, I did not label anything as being dishonest.

There is absolutely nothing

in this verse about developing extrabiblical doctrines. This verse simply highlights the responsibility of the Church to uphold and defend the truth handed down. Keeping the context in mind, Paul immediately says:

Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (1 Timothy 3:16)

This is the truth that the Church is the pillar and foundation of.

This verse speaks of the some aspects of Christ’s life on earth. Correct, Christ handed the full deposit of faith to the Apostles, and the Church they built, which contains it and the CC proclaims this truth…and that is why the CC is the pillar and foundation of truth because Christ is the Truth.

Paul is speaking Jews and Gentiles as a whole, not individuals. Basically, just as the Jews rejected Christ and were removed from the place of blessing, if Gentiles reject Christ they will also be removed from the place of blessing. He is not talking about an individual who believes in Christ and is saved, and then later rejects Jesus Christ as Savior and loses his salvation.

Keep in mind, when these epistles were written, their intended audience were already Christians, “saved” in your parlance and have received and believed the message of the Gospel.

Let me ask you then:

Who do you think are those who "have received the knowledge of the truth (heb 10)?

Who do you think are those who "though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, (rom 11)?

And who do you think are the following quotes being addressed to: "Otherwise, you also will be cut off "…“he will not spare you either”…“no sacrifice for sins is left”.

And who today is being addressed by those verses?

And the following point is clear…

36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

No, none whatsoever. I would like to see how you deal with the Biblical texts I presented supporting my position.

As far as the thief, I would like to introduce you to the reformed ordo salutis

:

Predestination → Election → Calling → Regeneration → Faith → Repentance → Justification → Sanctification → Perseverance → Glorification

I am not that familiar with your reformed confessions, but I will say that God sees good in men, and wills all to salvation.

The thief on the cross was predestined by God to be crucified with Christ, elected for salvation, called while on the cross, regenerated, and made a profession of faith, which Christ rewarded in short order with paradise. The thief on the cross was not good; he was simply regenerated before perishing. If he had been good, he would not have been on the cross beside Christ

Well, speaking of taking verses out of context, how did you come to the conclusion the thief was predestined?

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Rogare:

The Westminster Confession was published in 1646. You called the writers the “Westminster Divines.” Did they have some special Divine help? Did God bless the WC and declare it infallible? If so, please provide the evidence.

Are the teachings of the WC the same as those of the Augsburg Confession of 1530?

If not, how do we know which one is true, or whether both are equally false? Isn’t it a matter of whose opinion is accepted? Should I depend on opinion in matters affecting my salvation? Or should I continue to rely on the teaching of the Apostles?

Jim Dandy

 

[Rogare]

Rogare:

The Westminster Confession was published in 1646. You called the writers the “Westminster Divines.” Did they have some special Divine help? Did God bless the WC and declare it infallible? If so, please provide the evidence.

Are the teachings of the WC the same as those of the Augsburg Confession of 1530?

If not, how do we know which one is true, or whether both are equally false? Isn’t it a matter of whose opinion is accepted? Should I depend on opinion in matters affecting my salvation? Or should I continue to rely on the teaching of the Apostles?

Jim Dandy

di·vine
[dih-vahyn] adjective, -vin·er, -vin·est, noun, verb, -vined, -vin·ing.

–noun**
10. a theologian; scholar in religion. **

Please do a little research before you start such an outlandish diatribe.

 

[Rogare]

[in his name.

Ignoring it? I did not, I said that is just one part or the beginning-to know who Christ is and to believe He is the son of God. John wrote to supplement the other Gospels.

You seem to focus only on John’s or one section of John’s Gospel.

I am simply highlighting John’s Gospel because he plainly states: if you read what I have written, you will have enough information to believe that Christ is the Son of God and have life in His name.

and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (2 Timothy 3:15)

I remember this being discussed in another thread. I would repeat that this is the usual protestant tradition to miss v14, which states…

14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,

This speaks of oral teaching and guidance, not just scripture alone.

Friend, you are making this say what you want it to. A natural reading indicates that Paul is saying that the Scriptures are what can make Timothy wise unto salvation. Let me ask you this: what did Timothy learn aside from what was in the Scriptures that made Him wise unto salvation?

For this to be true, the Bible has to state it, right? So where does the Bible state this fact?

Where does the Bible say that Sacred Tradition is of equal authority to the Scriptures? The Bible speaks glowingly of itself as God’s word; it doesn’t have much positive to say about tradition.

Why is it out of context? Paul is speaking of what he taught, which he got from the Apostles-which later became Sacred Tradition, which predates any earliest writing of the NT and the Church surviving without Scripture for 400 years prior to the Bible being canonized.

The CC has understood the Bible for 1100 years prior to any protestant denomination.

So which or who do you think is being dishonest?

I would urge you to watch your words, and not label anything “dishonest”. We may disagree and even though I disagree with some of your interpretations, I did not label anything as being dishonest.

In the immediate context, what is he speaking of? Why did he write 2 Thessalonians at all? He wrote it because they were bugging out over the second coming of Christ. The traditions Paul is speaking of concern what he had taught them about Christ’s second coming. It has nothing to do with all the traditions that Church has added over the last 2000 years.

This verse speaks of the some aspects of Christ’s life on earth. Correct, Christ handed the full deposit of faith to the Apostles, and the Church they built, which contains it and the CC proclaims this truth…and that is why the CC is the pillar and foundation of truth because Christ is the Truth.

I take it you hold a partim-partim view of Scripture. Tell me this; how on Earth did the Israelites ever figure out what Scripture was in the OT? They certainly didn’t have an infallible Magisterium.

Keep in mind, when these epistles were written, their intended audience were already Christians, “saved” in your parlance and have received and believed the message of the Gospel.

.

Who wrote Hebrews? Why did he write it? It’s not 100% clear to whom Hebrews was intended for (aside from Hebrews ). We know there’s no Church of Hebrews like there is the Church of Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc. Therefore, it’s impossible to say that Hebrews was written specifically for those that are saved. It is just as likely it is intended for unbelievers who were intellectually convinced of the gospel or those that were not yet convinced.

Who do you think are those who "have received the knowledge of the truth (heb 10)?

I have witnessed to my friend Rob many times. He has knowledge of the truth, yet he rejects it. Judas had received knowledge of the truth- He obviously was never saved.

Who do you think are those who "though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, (rom 11)?

I have discussed this elsewhere.

And who do you think are the following quotes being addressed to: "Otherwise, you also will be cut off "…“he will not spare you either”…“no sacrifice for sins is left”.

I have addressed these elsewhere as well. I find God’s word to be completely consistent. We can start a perseverance of the saints thread if you wish. Protestant theologians have addressed your “problems” for over half a millennium. Check out some good Protestant literature.

I am not that familiar with your reformed confessions, but I will say that God sees good in men, and wills all to salvation.

Where do you find support for these ideas?

Well, speaking of taking verses out of context, how did you come to the conclusion the thief was predestined?

If he was saved he was predestined unto salvation. It’s that way with all the regenerate. We can discuss this in a different thread as well if you wish. A simple search on predestination will get you what you want.

It’s okay to believe in predestination as a Catholic; Augustine and Aquinas both taught it
[/quote]

 

[polang1234]

Actually the protestants doesn’t have faith in Jesus. Why?
First let me explain that faith is believing even you don’t understand. If you believe because you understand it’s not faith.
If they have faith in Jesus they should join the Church that Jesus started.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

di·vine
[dih-vahyn] adjective, -vin·er, -vin·est, noun, verb, -vined, -vin·ing.

–noun**
10. a theologian; scholar in religion. **

Please do a little research before you start such an outlandish diatribe.

My use of “divine” related to my question about the infallibility of the Westminster Confession. You failed to answer the question.

You keep arguing 2 Tm 3:14-17. St. Paul is referring to the Greek Septuagint OT, his own Scriptures and the Scriptures Timothy knew from childhood, and which Protestants reject. Go figure.

Jim Dandy

 

[Jim_Dandy]

If he was saved he was predestined unto salvation. It’s that way with all the regenerate. We can discuss this in a different thread as well if you wish. A simple search on predestination will get you what you want.

It’s okay to believe in predestination as a Catholic; Augustine and Aquinas both taught it

The Catholic Church rejects the “double predestination” of John Calvin and his followers.

Don’t misrepresent what the Church teaches.

See Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 239, 242-44.

Jim Dandy

 

[fpesce]

1 Peter 1
A Living Hope, and a Sure Salvation 1

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, [a]to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7 so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 8 and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of [g]your souls.

10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories *to follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things into which angels long to [j]look.

13 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, [l]keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15 but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16 because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY.”

17 If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; 18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, 19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. 20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you 21 who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

22 Since you have in obedience to the** truth **purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, 23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

“ALL FLESH IS LIKE GRASS,
AND ALL ITS GLORY LIKE THE FLOWER OF GRASS.
THE GRASS WITHERS,
AND THE FLOWER FALLS OFF,
25 BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER.”

And this is the word which was preached to you.*

 

[fpesce]

John 3:7-21

‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?” 10 **Jesus answered **and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12 If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. 14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that **whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. **
16 “**For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. **17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

 

[DoriAndBubba]

Can someone explain these verses to me please.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[ESMDHokie77]

Can someone explain these verses to me please.

For starters, your John 6 verses are cherry picked out of the explanation of the Eucharist. For we must eat The Flesh of the Son of Man to have eternal life. Jesus had just fed 5000 people with multiplying a few fish and a few loaves.

John 6:56: Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

 

[DoriAndBubba]

I was asking for someone to explain the verses…

So I went and read John Capter 6. to see what he meant. I believe Jesus was comparing Himself to the manna God sent down from Heaven.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

John6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

From what I’m reading that God (Jesus) will supply all our needs when we come to Him and believe in Him. What I’m seeing is that belief is most important. I pulled out these verses, you could call it cherry picking. It explains TO ME what that one verse was saying. Didn’t Jesus give his flesh when he died on the cross?

What about the other verses? Can you explain those to me?

 

[Philthy]

And … ? What else must I do?

How many times will the insufficiency of the words “be saved” need to be pointed out?
For some Protestants the word “saved” means that someone has an irrevocable ticket to Heaven. For Catholics (and the NT authors) this is not the case. It is useless to have a discussion without clarifying these differences and ensuring that we use the word “saved” to mean precisely the same thing.

Becoming saved is awesome and necessary, but remaining saved and going to Heaven is the ultimate goal and completion of salvation. And so the question is not merely, “What must I do to be saved?”, but "What must I do - and avoid doing - once I’m saved to ensure that when I die I will go to Heaven??