What must I do to be saved?

[ddarko]

What did Jesus mean was finished? What does the bible mean in 1 Peter 3:18 when it says that Christ died ONCE for ALL of our sins? The word once means one time, no? And all means for every single one. How do you understand it to mean otherwise?

How do you know your interpretation is right? If you are also of the position that the Holy Spirit guides you, how do you know that he does guide you?

Please refer to my post to fpesce here

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8181233&postcount=267

So the Catholic interpretation is to interpret things differently from what you do. Why must one give assent to your interpretation when it’s just your personal interpretation?

I too can quote Scripture verses like James 2:14-26. Then ask you how do you reconcile that with your faith. You will give me an interpretation which reconciles it with your faith.

So it all comes down to one question. Why should I believe your personal interpretation? The question cannot be answered from a theological Scripture verse since that would require interpretation to begin with.

God Bless

 

[Jim_Dandy]

What did Jesus mean was finished? What does the bible mean in 1 Peter 3:18 when it says that Christ died ONCE for ALL of our sins? The word once means one time, no? And all means for every single one. How do you understand it to mean otherwise?

Leadee, since our redemption and sanctification weren’t finished until the Resurrection, as St. Paul tells us in Romans 4:24-25, we know that Jesus wasn’t referring to his work of salvation when He said “It is finished.” He was referring to the Passover – which began at the Last Supper and was finished by the consumption of the Fourth Cup on the Cross, as explained in the link I provided.

My post had no reference to the Catholic Church’s teaching that Christ died ONCE FOR ALL (one time only) for the sins of all mankind. Your interpretation is that all our sins – past, present, and future – are covered by the once-for-all sacrifice.

Jesus died for the sins of everyone in the whole world, but each individual has to apply that redemption to himself or it’s of no effect to him. And at Baptism, his past sins are washed away and he is a new creation, full of grace and the Holy Spirit like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. But he is personally accountable for any sins he commits following Baptism. That’s why Jesus gave the ministry of reconciliation to his Apostles (John 20:19-23) – they had the authority to hear the confessions of the Faithful and grant them absolution for sins committed after Baptism. Christ’s same authority was passed down to others whom the Apostles ordained to succeed them (Timothy and Titus, for example).

And so the ministry of reconciliation (Confession/Absolution) has come down to us through the ministry of the Church founded by Christ for the salvation of the world – the Catholic Church. This is how sins committed after Baptism are forgiven, just as when the Apostles walked the earth

Jim Dandy

 

[fpesce]

What did Jesus mean was finished? What does the bible mean in 1 Peter 3:18 when it says that Christ died ONCE for ALL of our sins? The word once means one time, no? And all means for every single one. How do you understand it to mean otherwise?

That is not my quote… that was someone commenting on my quote, sorry. Just clarifying.

 

[PRmerger]

Either grace is sufficient or it’s not. You can’t have it both ways. You are saying you need to add your own work to grace. That is an insult to the giver.

Grace is always sufficent; it is, however, not always efficacious, Leadee.

 

[PJM]

MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLESE? PLEASE READ THIS POST

Assorted recent quotes from this string:

Originally Posted by fhansen
Yes, and this highlights the problem-individuals come up with all kinds of different interpretations. We need some place where the buck stops. The bible cannot be that place because it cannot correct us when we’re wrong-we need a living authority to do that. So we can find the truth-in the Catechism/teachings of the CC.

Hey there,
Do you have an answer me yet? Because I think if you cannot answer that, all the quotations you make from Scripture are kind of undermined no? They would just be your personal interpretation of each verse.

How do you know your interpretation is right? If you are also of the position that the Holy Spirit guides you, how do you know that he does guide you?

Please refer to my post to fpesce here:
So the Catholic interpretation is to interpret things differently from what you do. Why must one give assent to your interpretation when it’s just your personal interpretation?

My post had no reference to the Catholic Church’s teaching that Christ died ONCE FOR ALL (one time only) for the sins of all mankind. Your interpretation is that all our sins – past, present, and future – are covered by the once-for-all sacrifice

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My Dear friends in Christ. Our discussion has danced gracefully around the TRUTH. The “problem” is NOT in supplying THEE answer to the OP. No, the problem is, has been, and no-doubt shall continue to be that The Simple, provable truth Spoken by our God, just does not jive with what we MANY think it ought to be, or what MANY want it to be. In other words, MANY desire to Be in Charge of there own salvation; and GOD IS SIMPLY GOING TO HAVE TO ADJUST HIS WAY OF THINKING. ….I MEAN, WHO’S IN CHARGE; GOD OR ME?

Ignored by desire to do is the FACT that no place in the ENTIRE Bible does God even once indicate that He will tolerate more than one God, more than ONLY one set of beliefs, and Only His One church. The NT alone has OVER 100 references to ONLY ONE CHURCH. So pretending that the question is a mystery; is to me at least the REAL mystery.

**Acts.20: 28 **“Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God [SINGULAR] which he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”

**Luke 22: 31-32 **[Jesus Speaking to Peter] “Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat, but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.” Romans 13: 2 “Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.” Mt. 10: 40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives him who sent me. 1Tim. 3: 15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the [SINGULAR] household of God, which is the church [SINGULAR] of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth [SINGULAR]

**1 John 4: **Little children, you are of God, and have overcome them; for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are of the world, therefore what they say is of the world, and the world listens to them. We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

Mt. 16: 15-19 “He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock [ROCK = Foundation of you Peter] I will build my [SINGULAR] church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

**John 17:18-24 **"***As thou didst send me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. [WITH MY AUTHORITY AND MY GODLY POWERS] And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be consecrated in truth. "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word, that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

The choice if one is sincerely seeking salvation in the MANNER God Desires it for us is clear and simple. WHY did God from ALL time desire only One God, and one Faith? What has changed to make God change his mind. Why in the entire WORLD is ONLY ONE Faith actually and directly Founded by God Himself.***

The mystery is WHY so many choose there own way instead of Gods way. WHO BUT Peter did Christ Give the Keys [ALL ACCESS] to the kingdom of heaven?

**TO THY OWN SELF BE TRUE… Shakespeare **

Pray about it,
Pat

 

[QuickCat]

Jim Dandy,

“But he who endures to the end will be saved” Mt 10:22, Mk 13:13 RSV"

Don’t you see the only thing you have to persevere is to believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ.

Mr. Dandy: Do you ever look at the context in which a verse of Scripture is found? Our Lord Jesus Christ has just sent the 12 to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel.” [vs 10]. Then He describes the persecutions of the tribulation [see also Mt. 24:13,29]. If they “endure” the tribulation they will be saved from it. Do you not know that our Lord’s earthly ministry was to Israel and concerned the kingdom of prophesy and not the Body of Christ? You are very fond of Mt. 7:21, consider the context. The “kingdom of heaven” is not the Body of Christ it is that kingdom that is promised to Israel.
QC

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Mr. Dandy: Do you ever look at the context in which a verse of Scripture is found? Our Lord Jesus Christ has just sent the 12 to the “lost sheep of the house of Israel.” [vs 10]. Then He describes the persecutions of the tribulation [see also Mt. 24:13,29]. If they “endure” the tribulation they will be saved from it. Do you not know that our Lord’s earthly ministry was to Israel and concerned the kingdom of prophesy and not the Body of Christ? You are very fond of Mt. 7:21, consider the context. The “kingdom of heaven” is not the Body of Christ it is that kingdom that is promised to Israel.
QC

Mr. QC,

QUOTE:

“Could you be wrong on your interpretation of this passage,” said Alice to the Mad Hatter. “Of course I could be wrong on my interpretation…,” “Because you’re not infallible,” interjected Alice, “…because I’m not infallible, you know,” continued the Mad Hatter. “Then,” said Alice, “you would agree that the Cheshire Cat’s interpretation of this verse could possibly be right?” “Absolutely, not,” said the Mad Hatter. “I can say with absolute certainty that the Cheshire Cat’s interpretation of this passage is wrong!” “But,” interjected Alice, “you could be wrong on that, couldn’t you?” “Of course, I could be wrong on that…,” said the Mad Hatter. “Because you’re not infallible,” interjected Alice again. “…because I’m not infallible, you know,” finished the Mad Hatter. “Then,” said Alice, a bit puzzled, “if you’re not infallible, couldn’t the Cheshire Cat be right?” “Absolutely not,” said the Mad Hatter, “the Cheshire Cat can never be right when he disagrees with me.” Alice in Wonderland

END QUOTE

Get it?

Jim Dandy

 

[David_Castlen]

Mr. QC,

QUOTE:

“Could you be wrong on your interpretation of this passage,” said Alice to the Mad Hatter. “Of course I could be wrong on my interpretation…,” “Because you’re not infallible,” interjected Alice, “…because I’m not infallible, you know,” continued the Mad Hatter. “Then,” said Alice, “you would agree that the Cheshire Cat’s interpretation of this verse could possibly be right?” “Absolutely, not,” said the Mad Hatter. “I can say with absolute certainty that the Cheshire Cat’s interpretation of this passage is wrong!” “But,” interjected Alice, “you could be wrong on that, couldn’t you?” “Of course, I could be wrong on that…,” said the Mad Hatter. “Because you’re not infallible,” interjected Alice again. “…because I’m not infallible, you know,” finished the Mad Hatter. “Then,” said Alice, a bit puzzled, “if you’re not infallible, couldn’t the Cheshire Cat be right?” “Absolutely not,” said the Mad Hatter, “the Cheshire Cat can never be right when he disagrees with me.” Alice in Wonderland

END QUOTE

Get it?

Jim Dandy

 

[Leadee]

There is nothing one can do to be saved. It is God’s choice via His grace.

Like a car without gas, we cannot “turn to” God without grace.

Very well put.

 

[Gracealone]

Can I ask… What/who is the object of our worship (attention, adoration etc)? If we can play any part in our salvation by influencing God’s decision then we are not dead in sin, we have a righteousness of our own & we are placing our trust & worship in ourselves and our own abilities - rather than rightly giving the glory & worship to Jesus.*

Concerning salvation, anything we have to add (works) to Jesus death is a minus from Jesus (taking away glory richly deserved by him alone), and so sinfully puts us at the helm under us which God must somehow act because we bought him at a price… (I hope you can see that it doesn’t work that way!)
*God is God over us (and not the other way around) and is not bent to us and our good doing - we cannot buy-off God with works, doing good, penance, buying someone out of some purgetory with our prayers, being religious, or going to church. God bought us at a price, the price of his son Jesus.

Don’t agree yet? Then let’s take a works based salvation further to see it’s implications… Works is a natural logical idea, we want to contribute something… It is the basis of Catholisism, Islam, Hinduism, etc. Do good & God will do good to you essentially in it’s simplest form. *It is of noblest intent - God cannot accept sin because he is holy, so what am I going to do about my sin? So we attempt to become righteous - right with God, and to present this to God when Jesus Christ comes again, hoping that it’ll impress him. *The bible concerning our righteousness says that God views our righteousness as like filthy menstrual rags (Isaiah 54:6), or a steaming pile (Phil3:8). So we bring our resume of works (our steaming pile) to God, asking if he is impressed. Ah…hem…
“Look at my resume God, I have been so much better than that Tax collector (or maybe Pimp in our culture) over there…” (pride & comparing to another). *If God was impressed we’d have a reason to boast! Who does this boasting glorify? Who does it worship? Wow, I wanna be like that guy…
Works righteousness is unrighteousness because it is man centered… Why? - Luke 18:9 amongst other things…

1. We compare ouselves to other people not Jesus
2. performance establishes worth, not God saves me, loves me etc
3. we trust in ourselves - object as our faith
4. God not our judge, people are
5. Leads to pride (call it self esteem) who do we have contempt for?
   (thanks Mark Driscoll podcasted sermon).
   Religion has glory & worship going to everyone or anything else EXCEPT Jesus. God hates religion!

So if our steaming pile of own righteousness is offensive to God. What then is the alternative? - It’s Jesus.
Catholics would be right in saying that we’re saved by works, but whose works? Whose works save? - Jesus not ours!- his life not ours, his perfection not ours, his obedience not ours, his death in our place. It’s been done 4 us in Jesus!
Like the tax collector in Luke 18, we repent and receive what? GIFT righteousness!
If we indeed receive as a gift Jesus righteousness as the bible says we do, then wow!
It is all Jesus that makes us right with God, then wow, what hope we have, what certainty of heaven we have, what we have to live in thankfulness for! Our life-long worship is then to Jesus (instead of pride for self-purchasing of our salvation & influencing God to accept our efforts), we’re being changed to become more like Jesus by the gift of Holy Spirit given to us when we accept Jesus gift, and our imperfect worship/works is acceptable to God because of Jesus perfect worship!
Jesus paying the spiritual debt we can’t repay (we’re dead in sin too, dead people can’t do anything!), Jesus righteousness becoming ours, given an incredible inheritance with Jesus…
God’s unmerited & incredible love, mercy & grace shown to us is in such stark contrast to how Jim Dandy’s catholisism seems to come across because it is anything but logical! Why the heck would God do all that? Because he loves us.
Wow, what an incredible loving God!
If we truly have an inheritance with Jesus that the bible says we dothen I’m so looking forward to meeting our great & wonderful God!*

Like the tax collector in Luke 18 we need to come empty handed & ask for God’s gift of grace, and we will receive it! Wow, thanks God!

So who do you put trust in? Jesus or yourself for salvation. One choice rightly directs worship to the one who deserves it, the other directs it to ourselves (and creates pride).

Jesus said it is finished - all the work has been done!

But hang on, so how do we reconcile works? If they cannot save us because our best righteousness is as offensive to God as a steaming pile, then why would/should we do them?
We change because Jesus Christ offered his perfect life, perfect worship, and we want to be like this wonderful Jesus. Because God is, we want to be. *We are thankful for such incredible mercies extended to us that are completely undeserved! Our motivation is JOY not a bunch of have toos!*Not saved by works but TO our good works! Big difference! We have the promise that the Holy Spirit will be with us, that God will make us more like Jesus, conforming us to be like him!
If we say we have faith but aren’t being changed (even slowly) into someone who wants to do more works, then we’ve not got our faith in the right Jesus (James 2). *The Holy Spirit will convict us of sin, sin that has been entirely paid for by Jesus. Thanks God for your mercy, grace, & gift of your HS!

 

[Gracealone]

Now sadly I can say that in Australia there is widespread worship of everything. The Protestant church is not immune to this (let’s face it, we are sinful), but within the Roman Catholic church here there is rampant & widespread worship of idols, Saints, Mary, self (look at the my life and how many times I… How much I give etc - remind you of a certain Pharasee prayer anyone? - don’t get too comfortable & smugProtestants*(that’s religion), you and I fall into*the latter too), so many things as the centre of worship - except the one who should rightly be receiving it… Jesus.

The Protestant church here in Australia (like Mark Driscoll’s or Tim Keller’s in the US) is, despite sin, pointing many people to Jesus, people who did not love him now have placed their faith in him and are now full of joy in Jesus & are growing to be more like him. Praise God! *For those of you in this forum whose object of worship is some True Catholic church instead of Jesus, please repent of that and heed the idea of what Jesus said in Luke/Matthew 9 “whoever is not against us is for us”, and about Satan not driving out Satan in Matthew 12.
Some protesting churches may not teach everything about where the bible comes from, who wrote what, what happened up to AD1500 - knowledge is great, but you know what? God is saving people for himself & growing them to become more like Jesus - which is far greater than being filled with knowledge but not understanding!

A few small things: many parts of the bible were not written for an original audience being the catholic church:*
“Luke 1:3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus…” (Luke 1:3 NIV)
Luke was commissioned by Theophilus who was trying to find out the truth about Jesus.

Paul in Phil3 was works righteousness…*Then met Jesus - & received something Jesus gives as gift - 2 Cor 5:21.

By the way, salvation is what… Being saved from God’s wrath for our rejection of him/sin, so being rescued from the end result of sin being hell. There are a ton more things you could insert here, but if saved does not have the element of eternity we’re missing something, and God has missed something, whoops!

With any of the posts in this forum, look at who is the object of worship, who is at the centre. *Are we reading ourselves, doing sacraments, works etc into passages that talk about righteousness and salvation as being a gift of God? *Who will have any pride at being received into heaven when Jesus returns? If we have contributed anything (works, good) the glory, pride & worship is on us, whereas if (as it is read by most protestant Christians) it is entirely Jesus death, resurrection & grace, then the focus & worship is rightly entirely upon Jesus. Wow, let’s put our faith in that Jesus & in his incredible gospel!

So it’s not all about you, it’s all about Jesus, what he does 4 u. God is not impressed with u, but loves u no matter what. Jesus gladly gives u his righteousness - so at the end instead of presenting our impressively steaming resume of works we look at Jesus & say “I’m with him”. Thank you Jesus for doing *it all, all that we can’t!

“No I am convinced that neither death nor life… can separate us from the love of God” - praise be to our wonderful, powerful, loving God!

 

[PRmerger]

Catholics would be right in saying that we’re saved by works, but whose works?

You are mistaken, Gracealone, in stating that Catholics believe we are saved by works.

Catholics believe we are saved:

By believing in Christ (Jn 3:16; Acts 16:31)

By repentance (Acts 2:38; 2 Pet 3:9)

By baptism (Jn 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Titus 3:5)

By eating his flesh and drinking his blood (Jn 6)

By the work of the Spirit (Jn 3:5; 2 Cor 3:6)

By declaring with our mouths (Lk 12:8; Rom 10:9)

By coming to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4; Heb 10:26)

By works (Rom 2:6-7; James 2:24)

By grace (Acts 15:11; Eph 2:8)

By his blood (Rom 5:9; Heb 9:22)

By his righteousness (Rom 5:17; 2 Pet 1:1)

By his Cross (Eph 2:16; Col 2:14)

 

[Gracealone]

Thanx 4 correcting me PRmerger re: Catholics believe we are saved by works. I am actually lumping into that term anything that is on top of/additional to faith in Jesus as saved by works, meaning JC was not enough to save - saved by works…

Question: I presume that you can tell me how the thief on the cross was baptized… Or took communion/Lord’s Supper, or did some good works?
Or for that fact any of characters in Jesus parables, the gospels, letters etc.

Those passages of how C’s believe we are saved must be read differently, especially in regards to my previous two posts.
If I get the time I will spend the time unpacking those passages you mentioned, but my wife would probably kill me, as our primary ministry is to teach Jesus to unbelieving children at our church, then getting sleep! Have a nice day all if u are on the other side of the world to Australia! Nite!

 

[Leadee]

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Gal 3

10For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.” 11Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” 12However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”— 14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would **receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. **==============

You interpret…

Jesus was saying that if you want to be saved you must be perfectly sinless and obey the law (which is still true). He also knew it was impossible for us so he made the ultimate sacrifice of himself so we wouldn’t have to keep hopelessly trying to do it. Now we have the choice to either keep trying in our own efforts (dont’ know about you but I don’t have an altar in my home to make sacrifices every year) or we can put our faith in him.

 

[ddarko]

Jesus was saying that if you want to be saved you must be perfectly sinless and obey the law (which is still true). He also knew it was impossible for us so he made the ultimate sacrifice of himself so we wouldn’t have to keep hopelessly trying to do it. Now we have the choice to either keep trying in our own efforts (dont’ know about you but I don’t have an altar in my home to make sacrifices every year) or we can put our faith in him.

Um thats a beautiful peace of interpretation Leadee, but

1. How do you know you’ve interpreted properly?
2. I would argue that while we are not bound by the OT law, we still have to do God’s will i.e. Good works

You can become part of a family through baptism. But if you don’t do what the head of the family wants, he just has to disown you at one point.

Anyway, I am sure you will say my interpretation doesn’t fit with your interpretation of THAT etc. So my question is, how do you know you have interpreted ANYTHING properly from Scripture?

I asked you before but you didn’t reply.

God Bless

 

[Leadee]

Um thats a beautiful peace of interpretation Leadee, but

1. How do you know you’ve interpreted properly?
2. I would argue that while we are not bound by the OT law, we still have to do God’s will i.e. Good works

You can become part of a family through baptism. But if you don’t do what the head of the family wants, he just has to disown you at one point.

Anyway, I am sure you will say my interpretation doesn’t fit with your interpretation of THAT etc. So my question is, how do you know you have interpreted ANYTHING properly from Scripture?

I asked you before but you didn’t reply.

God Bless

Sorry I didn’t reply. Following threads and such tends to confuse me. You ask how I know I am right. I don’t know that I am right but I do believe that God leads us into truth becuase He promises that if we seek Him will all of our heart we will find Him and God is not a liar. I am also told in His word that I have the Holy Spirit to teach me. It can’t get better then that. I believe that if I search and seek I will find, just as I’m promised. I believe the rod of truth is God’s Word, the bible. When I study the word, I always base my understanding on all of scripture, not just one or two verses. If something doesn’t line up, I keep seeking. There are still things I don’t know. My life is a journey of learning and growing. The moment I think I’ve arrived I know I’m in trouble. One thing I feel very strongly about is the subject of salvation because it is the foundation of the Christian faith. We should not differ on this one. How about you? What is your measuring rod for truth?

 

[PRmerger]

What is your measuring rod for truth?

Well, Catholics look to the Bible to tell us what our measuring rod for truth is.

And the Bible says that…

The *Church *is our measuring rod for truth! (See 1 Tim 3:15)

Interesting that the Bible does* not* say that Scripture is–which is what your paradigm declares. Is this not, then, a non-biblical paradigm to say that Scripture is your measuring rod?

 

[fpesce]

Catholics respond with a hearty Amen, pesce!

I presume you are speaking for ALL Catholics?

 

[PRmerger]

Thanx 4 correcting me PRmerger re: Catholics believe we are saved by works. I am actually lumping into that term anything that is on top of/additional to faith in Jesus as saved by works, meaning JC was not enough to save - saved by works…

Well, again, just to clarify, the CC proclaims that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation, and that his atoning death on the cross was, indeed, “enough to save.”

Question: I presume that you can tell me how the thief on the cross was baptized… Or took communion/Lord’s Supper, or did some good works?

Do you have a verse that says the thief on the cross wasn’t baptized? Chapter and verse, please.

And, really, baptism is all that’s required–he need not have taken communion, especially since the next Mass wouldn’t be celebrated for, what, 50+ days?

If I get the time I will spend the time unpacking those passages you mentioned, but my wife would probably kill me,

Oh, yes! Keep your wife happy. As I like to say in my house (as the wife), “If I’m not happy, no one’s happy!”

 

[PRmerger]

I presume you are speaking for ALL Catholics?

How 'bout this: All Catholics* ought to* respond with a hearty AMEN!

BTW, could you please expound on my question as to how the Holy Spirit works in Protestant lives, because I certainly don’t understand, as it pertains to 2 Protestants reading the very same Bible and coming up with differing doctrines. Is the Holy Spirit involved in both Christian’s readings/interpretations? If so, how could the HS teach contrary things?

So give me a tangible example of how this works, in your paradigm.

Christian A believes verse X says Y, because the Holy Spirit inspired him to believe this.
Christian B believes verse X says not-Y, because the Holy Spirit inspired her to believe this.

What does the HS do to let these Christians know what’s correct?