What must I do to be saved?

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This is one of SATAN’s more effective half truths. Yes, you need to have faith to get to heaven and yes, you will be justified on this faith alone because you don’t need to do any good works to be baptized and enter into the state of Grace. all you need to do is request it. What Satan doesn’t say is that once you freely enter into the state of Grace, you need to do God’s will to stay there. He leads you to believe that once you declare belief in Jesus, your covenant obligations are complete, when in fact, they have just begun. We must FOLLOW Jesus, loving God and Neighbor and avoiding mortal sin (and confessing our sins if we do fall from grace), to enter into eternal life. That is the full story…
You seriously need to read the bible more. You are saying that about St. Paul’s letter to the Roman’s. He was preaching to the Romans so they would believe. I think you should really read and pray for understanding.

This is a foul testimony and a slant against someone who wrote two thirds of the bible and has more works than anyone in HISTORY! Please don’t disagree just to disagree.

Research the Word and history and pray for true revelation. And please don’t even rebuke my post before you do that.
 
I could go through all the rest of the scriptures but it looks to me like it will be the same thing. The bible certainly talks about being judged on our works.
Then we are agreed. 👍
but it also says that Jesus bore the penalty for our sins and bore the wrath of God so that we wouldn’t have to.
This needs to be understood with some nuance. Jesus paid the price for our sins, as the Lamb of God Who Takes Away the Sins of the World (which we proclaim at each and every Mass, BTW).

However, it certainly doesn’t mean that once I say the Sinner’s Prayer (which is not found in the Bible) I am guaranteed a spot in heaven.

We must work out our salvation with fear and trembling, no?
Those who appropriate the blood are no longer under condemnation for their sins. However, we will still be judged on our works while here on earth, judged for reward, not punishment.
Chapter and verse for this, please. It would help if the verse said that judgement for works occurs while “here on earth”.
 
And get this straight.

I NEVER said you don’t need works. I said Works are the fruit of Faith.

In other words works prove your faith. It is TRUE faith that the works of God are manifested.
 
But according to CC doctrine he couldn’t be saved because he wasn’t baptized.
Do you have the chapter and verse that says that the Good Thief wasn’t baptized?
Why didn’t Jesus say he would be in pergatory instead of paradise?
Perhaps being crucified for something he didn’t do was purgation enough?

At any rate, Jesus said, “This day you will be with me in paradise” and as Jesus did not enter paradise on “this day” yet (remember, he died on Friday but didn’t enter paradise until…what, 53 days later, right?) maybe the Good Thief was in purgatory until Jesus did enter paradise.
 
You seriously need to read the bible more. You are saying that about St. Paul’s letter to the Roman’s. He was preaching to the Romans so they would believe. I think you should really read and pray for understanding.

This is a foul testimony and a slant against someone who wrote two thirds of the bible and has more works than anyone in HISTORY! Please don’t disagree just to disagree.

Research the Word and history and pray for true revelation. And please don’t even rebuke my post before you do that.
Hi again Fpesce,

First, I think if you start from the Church, the teaching is clear, Faith and Works both matter.

Now I am not sure how far you are in the analysis above. So let us entertain the idea you present.

The Passage in Romans is specifically talking about Works of the LAW. Not all works.

When Catholics say Works, that means doing God’s will.

So by Christ’s death, we are claimed as sons and daughters of God. BUT, we are FREE. God still wants us to freely choose whether we want to be with him OR whether we want to leave him.

Our works, if contrary to God’s will or does not go God’s will, is going to lead us away from his family. Parents, when their children don’t listen to them, have to let them go. To forcefully still make them end up with God i.e. be saved is coercion and NOT love.

For it to be LOVE, we must freely choose to do God’s will. Not just believe in his existence or his promises.

To say that God only wants us to have FAITH is therefore not correct. We can’t just have faith. We must DO HIS WILL i.e. GOOD WORKS.

Thus, salvation hinges upon FAITH and WORKS.

God Bless 🙂
 
The Triumphs of Faith

1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
2 For by it the men of old gained approval. 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. 4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. 5By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.
6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

7By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
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  8By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; 10for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11By faith even Sarah herself received ability to conceive, even beyond the proper time of life, since she considered Him faithful who had promised. 12Therefore there was born even of one man, and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants AS THE STARS OF HEAVEN IN NUMBER, AND INNUMERABLE AS THE SAND WHICH IS BY THE SEASHORE. 

  13All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. 15And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them. 

  17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son; 18it was he to whom it was said, “IN ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS SHALL BE CALLED.” 19He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type. 20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau, even regarding things to come. 21By faith Jacob, as he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff. 22By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the exodus of the sons of Israel, and gave orders concerning his bones. 

  23By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents, because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of the king’s edict. 24By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, 25choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward. 27By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured, as seeing Him who is unseen. 28By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so that he who destroyed the firstborn would not touch them. 29By faith they passed through the Red Sea as though they were passing through dry land; and the Egyptians, when they attempted it, were drowned. 

  30By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they had been encircled for seven days. 31By faith Rahab the harlot did not perish along with those who were disobedient, after she had welcomed the spies in peace. 

  32And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets, 33who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; 36and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment. 37They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated 38(men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground. 

  39And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.

BY FAITH NOT BY WORKS. BY FAITH ALL THESE GREAT WORKS BECAME MANIFESTED. It is all there for you. It is not hidden. Open up your bible, read and understand.
 
And get this straight.

I NEVER said you don’t need works. I said Works are the fruit of Faith.

In other words works prove your faith. It is TRUE faith that the works of God are manifested.
True, Works affirm ones FAITH.

BUT, Works do not simply FOLLOW just because you have FAITH.

You show that you have FAITH by DOING what the will of God i.e. GOOD WORKS. So just a mental decision to believe in God is not sufficient for salvation if you don’t do his WILL.

God Bless 🙂
 
True, Works affirm ones FAITH.

BUT, Works do not simply FOLLOW just because you have FAITH.

You show that you have FAITH by DOING what the will of God i.e. GOOD WORKS. So just a mental decision to believe in God is not sufficient for salvation if you don’t do his WILL.

God Bless 🙂
I am sorry ddarko, I was replying to paul c post about St Paul’s letter to the Romans.
 
True, Works affirm ones FAITH.

BUT, Works do not simply FOLLOW just because you have FAITH.

You show that you have FAITH by DOING what the will of God i.e. GOOD WORKS. So just a mental decision to believe in God is not sufficient for salvation if you don’t do his WILL.

God Bless 🙂
Yes, but it begins with Faith. There is a progression from Faith to Love to Works.
 
Do you have the chapter and verse that says that the Good Thief wasn’t baptized?

Perhaps being crucified for something he didn’t do was purgation enough?

At any rate, Jesus said, “This day you will be with me in paradise” and as Jesus did not enter paradise on “this day” yet (remember, he died on Friday but didn’t enter paradise until…what, 53 days later, right?) maybe the Good Thief was in purgatory until Jesus did enter paradise.
Arfe you trying to say Jesus misspoke?
 
Yes, but it begins with Faith. There is a progression from Faith to Love to Works.
Sure, progression yes. But in the end, one without the other is moot. Do you agree?

In other words, if one lived their entire life, and all they had was FAITH (in the sense of a mental belief), then they get nowhere.

God Bless 🙂
 
Are good works absolutely necessary for salvation? I thought that one just had to die in the state of grace.
 
Are good works absolutely necessary for salvation? I thought that one just had to die in the state of grace.
Well, read Matthew 25:31-46, and tell me what you think.

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 25:31-46[/BIBLEDRB]

Remember, the only way to be in a state of grace is through a faith which works in love (Galatians 5:6).
 
Are good works absolutely necessary for salvation? I thought that one just had to die in the state of grace.
We’re judged by our love, according to St John of the Cross, a Doctor of the Church. And according to Luke 12:48 and also the Parable of the Talents, we’ll be expected to utilize the grace and opportunity we’ve been given. So, if the only opportunity in life one has is to be baptized before they die, or confess a mortal sin committed after baptism before they die, then yes, dying in a state of grace according to those parameters is apparently sufficient. The thief on the Cross had even less opportunity than that.

But if we were to die not having taken a step forward in growing in and living out love of God and neighbor, having had the grace and opportunity to do so, then we’ve failed in the directives Jesus gave us: to produce fruit, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, let our lamp shine, etc. I doubt we’d be in a state of grace in that case, regardless of a so-called confession.
 
Yes, but it begins with Faith. There is a progression from Faith to Love to Works.
Salvation begins with faith, but faith alone does not guarantee that you go to Heaven. These discussions often waste considerable time. Being saved is great, but being saved and not ultimately going to Heaven is useless. The discussion - since we are all Christians - should be about going to Heaven, not being “saved” (ie born again), don’t you think?
 
Leadee: Excellent! You nailed it pretty well. We must remember that the gospel is hidden to them that are lost. Whom the god [small ‘g’] of this age has blinded them to the true gospel. 2 Cor. 4:3,4. Also, the natural man [the lost man] can not understand spiritual matters, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Cor. 2:14. It is natural for man to think that he must “do something” in order to be saved. Mr. Dandy, previously, presented a laundry list of things that a lost person must do. And you are quite correct in stating that the lost man is “dead in trespasses and sins.” He is spiritually dead ands fits the description of 2 Cor. 4:2,3.
Grace and Peace,
Don J.
1 Cor. 15:1-4; Eph. 1:13
Quickcat. What is the basis for your confidence that you have interpreted the Gospel correctly? Why do you think you have more insight than the Catholic Church, which was commissioned to teach the faith and administer the sacraments by Christ himself? How are you sure that you aren’t the one who is decieved?

Of course you must do something to be saved. Didn’t Jesus say , “Follow Me”? Isn’t that doing something?
 
Salvation begins with faith, but faith alone does not guarantee that you go to Heaven. These discussions often waste considerable time. Being saved is great, but being saved and not ultimately going to Heaven is useless. The discussion - since we are all Christians - should be about going to Heaven, not being “saved” (ie born again), don’t you think?
To many Protestants, being “saved” means being given a ticket to heaven; some believe this ticket is not subject to cancellation – ever!. All aboard!

Jim Dandy
Former Protestant
 
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