What must I do to be saved?

[Julia_Mae]

I’m not saying that what we do doesn’t have eternal consequences. We will be judged on our works as believers. However, we will not be judged on our sins because Jesus took care of that penalty on th cross.

This is the Gospel According to Leadee? Do you really think "lack of deeds’ is not sin? Jesus says it is, quite clearly and specifically:

Matthew 25:31-46

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This is the Word of the Lord.

Feed the Lord here.

(Note that there is punishment for lack of love. We do nothing to our peril.)

 

[Julia_Mae]

Pastor David: “Out of context?” Not at all! IN CONTEXT! Our Lord Jesus Christ, in His first advent, tells us clearly that He was "Sent ONLY to the LOST SHEEP of I-S-R-A-E-L [Mt. 15:24]. He sent the 12 “ONLY to the LOST SHEEP of ISRAEL” Mt. 10:5,6. We now know, through Paul’s epistles, that our Lord Jesus Christ “Gave Himself a ransom for ALL, TO BE TESTIFIED IN DUE TIME!” At the time of our Lord’s earthly ministry the Gentiles were “…Without Christ, being aliens from the Commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and WITHOUT GOD in the world.” But now - God raises up Saul of Tarsus, renames him Paul, and makes him the apostle to the Gentiles [Rom. 11:13]. Now that is the Bible “rightly divided” 2 Tim. 2:15.
Grace and Peace,
QC

Ah! You are MAD. Rightly dividing the Word, are you? Gospels irrelevant, Paul as the true Gospel?

For anyone unfamiliar, try this: Mid-Acts Dispensation

I’m not sure where they draw the line here between discussion and you trying to proselytize Catholics, but you don’t sound to me like you are asking questions you need Catholic Answers to. You sound like you are preaching heresy.

 

[davidmlamb]

Pastor David: “Out of context?” Not at all! IN CONTEXT! Our Lord Jesus Christ, in His first advent, tells us clearly that He was "Sent ONLY to the LOST SHEEP of I-S-R-A-E-L [Mt. 15:24]. He sent the 12 “ONLY to the LOST SHEEP of ISRAEL” Mt. 10:5,6. We now know, through Paul’s epistles, that our Lord Jesus Christ “Gave Himself a ransom for ALL, TO BE TESTIFIED IN DUE TIME!” At the time of our Lord’s earthly ministry the Gentiles were “…Without Christ, being aliens from the Commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and WITHOUT GOD in the world.” But now - God raises up Saul of Tarsus, renames him Paul, and makes him the apostle to the Gentiles [Rom. 11:13]. Now that is the Bible “rightly divided” 2 Tim. 2:15.
Grace and Peace,
QC

Again Quickcat your argument is non sensical. You have never clarified what you are arguing and neither did you properly address my points. So its difficult for me to respond to you when I don’t know what your point or case is. Salvation is of the House of Israel but the Gentiles have been grafted in. The New Covenant was a covenant for both Jews and Gentiles. Those who are in Christ become the children of Abraham and heirs of the promise. So in the Church their is neither Jew or Gentile for God is not only the God of the Jews but ther God of the Gentiles and has justified all who have faith in Christ and receive his justifying grace. Let our readers be the judge of who is rightly dividing the word of truth.

Peace,
David

 

[Leadee]

Can you give an example of what this looks like, Leadee?

For example, let’s say someone is “saved” by coming down for the altar call (something, BTW, not found in the Bible). He knows he’s going to heaven, but for the rest of his life wavers back and forth between being righteous and living a sinful life. He volunteers at an orphanage and tithes 10%. At one point he commits adultery. And then he dies.

How will he be judged?

I am not God so I can’t determine if this person is even saved. Just because someone prays a prayer during a moment of emotion it doesn’t mean they have put their faith in Christ. But let’s say he has been redeemed. He will have to face judgement one day just like each and every one of us. His sins have been paid for but he will be judged on his works that were done while here. If he led a defeated life on earth there won’t be rewards because there won’t be works to merit them. He will stand before the Lord knowing that he failed. That’s my understanding.

However, if he truly gave his life to Jesus and grasped the magnificant gift he’d been given, he wouldn’t just forget about it and hang on to his sinful life. If the works were done just to appease God they are nothing but filthy rags in God’s sight because they are merely fleshly acts. The bottom line is what lies in the motive of the heart. I can’t help but believe that there won’t be as many people in heaven as we would think because I think many think they are saved because they are not so bad but in reality have not handed over Lordship to Him.

 

[Leadee]

Leadee;8219099:

Fair enough.

So why are you asking why there’s another verse in Scripture that says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth?

Do you ask your pastor, when he quotes a verse in Scripture in his sermon, to give you another verse that confirms what he just preached on?

It says that the church is the pillar, not foundation.

No, I don’t. If he says something that doesn’t jive with my understanding of scripture I go to the bible myself to see if it lines up. If I find it to contradict the rest of scripture then yes, I would possibly go to him to see what I’m missing. I’m not saying that every single message from the bible needs cross references. I’m talking about a case when something doesn’t line up with it.

 

[Leadee]

Ok Leadee, I think this above underlined part highlights the possible error in your thinking.

IF an interpretation lines up with all the other parts of Scripture, It does NOT mean it is the only UNIQUE interpretation that is possible.

You can interpret Scripture in this logically consistent manner and have millions of different interpretations which even contradict each other.

Now how is this possible? It’s possible because logical consistency is not an indicator by-it-self to whether something is TRUE. Logical inconsistency DOES prove that something is FALSE. But the contrary is not TRUE.

So right now, the Catholic Church has it’s own interpretation of Scripture which is logically consistent and you have your own. To answer which one is right, you have to go back to your foundations. You can’t argue about consistency of the other using your set of theological axioms because the Catholic Church has a different set. In your case, it seems that your foundation is something you haven’t thought about. So to argue about whose right by using the Bible is a meaningless exercise and I have no clue why people do this all the time.

You have chosen a book randomly (possibly after some prayer), and luckily it has been the Bible. But that is not how it works. You have to choose Christ first. Then from his resurrection, you have to see how you arrive at Christianity. Then you will realize everything that you are missing.

We are not a people who follow a book. We follow a person. So what you have to do Leadee is become an early Christian and then follow Christ. Now how would you do that? You listen to the Apostles. That is the only rational position. You will discover this on your own if you answer the question I’ve always asked.

How do you go from the Resurrection of Christ to Christianity?

God Bless

I don’t understand your question, I’m sorry. The only Jesus Christ I know if is the one from the Bible. Didn’t the apostles, who were inspired by God write a good part of the new testiment? You’ve got me really confused.

 

[Cruxis117]

It says that the church is the pillar, not foundation.

New International Version (©1984)
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
New Living Translation (©2007)
so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

English Standard Version (©2001)
if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

International Standard Version (©2008)
in case I am delayed, so that you may know how to behave in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
in case I’m delayed. I want you to know how people who are members of God’s family must live. God’s family is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

King James Bible
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

American King James Version
But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

American Standard Version
but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Bible in Basic English
But if I am long in coming, this will make clear to you what behaviour is right for men in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and base of what is true.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Darby Bible Translation
but if I delay, in order that thou mayest know how one ought to conduct oneself in God’s house, which is the assembly of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth.

English Revised Version
but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Webster’s Bible Translation
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Weymouth New Testament
But, for fear I may be hindered, I now write, so that you may have rules to guide you in dealing with God’s household. For this is what the Church of the ever-living God is, and it is the pillar and foundation-stone of the truth.

 

[Leadee]

This is the Gospel According to Leadee? Do you really think "lack of deeds’ is not sin? Jesus says it is, quite clearly and specifically:

Matthew 25:31-46

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This is the Word of the Lord.

Feed the Lord here.

(Note that there is punishment for lack of love. We do nothing to our peril.)

Believe it or not, I am not the only person who understands the gospel of Jesus Christ to mean that He came to redeem the lost and that He paid the penalty for our sins in full. This passage is talking about those who are his and those who are not. It’s not talking about how you are saved. It says the “righteous”, not the “self righteous”. BIG difference. We can only be made righteous by the work of Jesus, not our own (because our works in the flesh are pure trash).

 

[Cruxis117]

I don’t understand your question, I’m sorry. The only Jesus Christ I know if is the one from the Bible. Didn’t the apostles, who were inspired by God write a good part of the new testiment? You’ve got me really confused.

Yes, they did write a good portion of the New Testament. However, the issue is that they did not have these written parts with them while they were preaching the Gospel. The Gospel was first and always will be an oral preaching. And while the Scriptures are God’s inspired Word, they were not the original way that the Gospel was brought to the people. To understand Jesus, people listened to the Apostles. They committed themselves to their teaching. This is what ddarko is getting at. If you were to not have the New Testament at all, how would you go from the Resurrection of our Lord to Christianity? This needs to be answered, because for a good 300 years or more after the Ascension of our Lord, the Apostles taught and preached the Gospel without a Bible. They may have had some Scriptures, but it was not a definitive Canon which was bound together and considered to be the ultimate authority.

 

[Julia_Mae]

This passage is talking about those who are his and those who are not. It’s not talking about how you are saved. It says the “righteous”, not the “self righteous”. BIG difference. We can only be made righteous by the work of Jesus, not our own (because our works in the flesh are pure trash).

Yet, Jesus disagrees with you. You said this:** We will be judged on our works as believers. However, we will not be judged on our sins because Jesus took care of that penalty on th cross.**

But this is not about what you think Jesus did or did not do. Or what your definition of “righteous” is or how you think we are “made” righteous. This is about Jesus and what He told us. I said that lack of good works is sin, the sinful are not righteous. And we will be judged on that basis. How do we know? Jesus told us.

In this passage, Jesus is talking about the Final Judgement: Everyone has done or not done, chosen or not chosen. Too late for do-overs:

He clearly links righteousness to 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

Who are the sheep and the goats? Not anything we can define for we are nothing compared to Jesus Christ and the Word of God. Jesus defines for us that the sheep are the righteous, the ones who fed, clothed, visited, and so forth. This is how He says He will identify those who followed Him, the Shepherd. The righteous are identified by their deeds.

Who are the goats? Those who did not feed, clothe, and visit. They are the cursed and they are going to eternal fire:

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Jesus makes this very simple. It is not about what you are or proclaim or believe or anything but if you loved one another. Love is an action, not a feeling. You do it by caring for other humans, putting yourself second, giving to those in need whatever they need.

By these choices we follow Jesus along the narrow path to Heaven. This is as clear as it gets and as unambiguous as it can possibly be. Your personal ideas about "righteousness’ or your interpretations of bits and pieces of Scripture, or mine, are more irrelevant to this Truth than socks to a sea urchin.

Your job on this earth is to be Christ to the world. So is mine. So is everyone’s. Jesus isn’t going to care a fig for your righteousness/works/rags argument because by the time you get there, He’s already going to have your place all prepared and this^^ is how He judges. He said so.

Don’t love people and you’re going to eternal fire. Love people and you will go to Heaven. Pretty simple.

 

[QuickCat]

It is curious that Jesus did not say here, “Salvation is FOR the Jews”.

How do you feel about the Gospel of Luke, written by a non-Jew? Do you discount what he writes because he is not Jewish? Or do you believe that while he was not Jewish and Jesus’ message was not for him, Luke was still inspired by the Holy Spirit to write the Gospels?

How do I feel about the gospel of Luke? It is the Word of God, just like all Scripture. You must remember that the 4 gospels record the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ. Who did He say He was sent to in His earthly ministry? Israel - Mt. 15:24; Mark 7:24-30. It was no secret that the Gentiles were to be blessed - through Israel [Isa. 60:1-3]. But this blessing would come through the rise of Israel when the Lord Jesus Christ establishes the kingdom [on earth] promised to Israel… But now [as Paul would say] Gentiles are being saved “through their [Israel] fall” [Rom. 11:11-13]. Isn’t the Word of God “Alive and powerful?”

 

[QuickCat]

Again Quickcat your argument is non sensical. You have never clarified what you are arguing and neither did you properly address my points. So its difficult for me to respond to you when I don’t know what your point or case is. Salvation is of the House of Israel but the Gentiles have been grafted in. The New Covenant was a covenant for both Jews and Gentiles. Those who are in Christ become the children of Abraham and heirs of the promise. So in the Church their is neither Jew or Gentile for God is not only the God of the Jews but ther God of the Gentiles and has justified all who have faith in Christ and receive his justifying grace. Let our readers be the judge of who is rightly dividing the word of truth.

Peace,
David

David: Apparently you are not aware of the fact that Israel is promised a kingdom on earth. That kingdom was contingent upon Israel accepting their Messiah [the Lord Jesus Christ]. The kingdom was proclaimed as “at hand” during the Lord’s earthly ministry to Israel. It was offered [by Peter] in Acts 3:19-21. This is all the subject of Bible prophecy. All during the book of Acts the Jew is first! Peter goes ONLY to Israel until he is sent to Cornelius, who BTW was a proselyte at the gate. This pictured Gentiles coming into the kingdom that was promised to Israel. Isa. 60:1-3 is a prime Scripture for the Gentiles coming into this kingdom. We now know that the Jews rejected their Messiah and the Holy Spirit has Paul pronounce that dreadful sentence in Acts 28:25-29. BTW, this is the 3rd and final turning to the Gentiles in Acts [note 13:46 and 18:6].

 

[PRmerger]

How do I feel about the gospel of Luke? It is the Word of God, just like all Scripture.

(And just to tweak your understanding a bit: you know it’s the Word of God only through one means: through the Catholic Church. For you would not know that the Gospel of Luke is the Word of God but the Gospel of Peter is not, except by the proclamations of the Catholic Church. Yes, “all Scripture is inspired by God”, but you cannot know what is “Scripture” except by an outside authority.)

But now [as Paul would say] Gentiles are being saved “through their [Israel] fall” [Rom.
11:11-13].

Well, then, QuickCat, this makes you consonant with Catholic teaching here! God’s salvation is for ALL–Jews and Gentiles alike!

Isn’t the Word of God “Alive and powerful?”

Indeed!

 

[ddarko]

I don’t understand your question, I’m sorry. The only Jesus Christ I know if is the one from the Bible. Didn’t the apostles, who were inspired by God write a good part of the new testiment? You’ve got me really confused.

Leadeeeee,

I am telling you to understand your faith.

You don’t start off with the Bible, you start off with the Apostles. If you were an early Pagan after the resurrection, and you now want to find out what Christ taught, YOU TURN TO THE APOSTLES. Am I right? You don’t believe in a book. In fact, even if you do believe in a book, IT IS MERELY BECAUSE THE APOSTLES TOLD YOU TO.

Now my question to you Leadee is WHY you have been ok with believing the Apostles on their teaching to believe the Bible is the inspired word of God but you are refusing to believe the rest of what they teach? The Apostles today are Bishops and Pope. Yet you refuse to believe them.

Do you see the double standard? If you say that the Apostles can be in error, you have no Christianity.

How do you think it would have looked like if a bunch of early Christians opposed the Apostles decision on the matter of Circumcision? How are you, or all the other protestants any different from that in opposing the Catholic Church i.e. Apostles today?

Also, do you understand what I said about logical consistency above? If you do, then how would you ever know if you have the right interpretation? Also note, “God will guide me as indicated in the Bible” is not a valid answer because there is no such guarantee given that you do not know if your interpretation is right in the first place. So how do you know?

What Luther and the reformers missed out on was that there is NO way to tell if you throw away the Apostles. The Apostles are the ones who have the teaching authority to decide on matters of teaching. That is who you must listen to.

God Bless

 

[QuickCat]

Wrong. The term “saint” is not defined in the bible and so we don’t “know” what was meant by it. In addition, there is the general term “saint” and the more specific term “Saint”, which have different meanings. Furthermore, you add considerable confusion using the somewhat ambiguous term “saved”.

Jesus clearly defines who the sheep and goats are: those who did good works those who failed to do good works. There may be an element of truth to what you say, however, but not in the nationalistic sense you mean it. In the NT a descendant of Abraham, ie a Jew, is anyone who shares in Abraham’s faith (it is not by circumcision) and such a person has entered into the New Covenant through faith in Christ. Those who do the good works through faith in Christ are His sheep and (in a lesser sense) are true Jews by virtue of that fact.

I suppose you are familiar with the rest of Mt 15 where Jesus heeds the womans request based upon her “great faith”? That fact obviates whatever implication you intended to make regarding the exclusivity of his mission. Understand that her “great faith” is what unites her to Abraham and Israel (Jews) under the New Covenant according to what I explained above, and you will come to see that Christ is not attempting to be exclusive, but is actually revealing what the “House of Israel” is truly built upon: faith in Him.

Blessings!

The Greek word for saints is hagios, holy ones, saved people. The “new covenant” will be made with Israel and Judah [Jer. 31:31]. The Syro-Phenican woman in Mt. 15 addressed the Lord as “Son of David.” She had no claim to Him as such. He told her that it was not right to take the “children’s” [Israel] bread and cast it to ‘dogs’. When she accepted her position as subservient to Israel He blessed her. Not before. This scenario fits quite well with prophecy which places Israel as the “head and not the tail.” With Gentiles planting and harvesting their crops, etc. I pray that this will help you.
QC

 

[QuickCat]

That’s correct. When sending them out by themselves as"Apostles in training" He circumscribed their actions. He, Himself, had already shown them, by purposely seeking out Gentiles, that His message and salvation were for all people. He did not wish the Apostles to go to the Decapolis or to Perea as He had. He wished to keep them close.

I think it would be more helpful to you, if you got a map of the Holy land at the time of the Incarnation and traced Jesus’ movements and understood what lands He went to and who lived there. If they allowed me to post an image here I would to help you understand how obvious your error is.

Let’s take the Samaritan woman, she did not “come to Him.” Jesus went out of His way to go to that well and wait for her. She would never have spoken to him at all had he not spoken to her first.

Your last question: Am I a M.A.D.? I am a mature believer in the LORD Jesus Christ. I am COMPLETE IN HIM! I am SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT UNTIL THE REDEMTION OF MY BODY. I have been FORGIVEN OF ALL TREASPASSES!

Did Jesus say “Salvation is from the Jews?” Certainly, He is salvation and He came from Israel, to bring salvation to the world:

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

I think you might understand better if you Google “Decapolis” and then trace Jesus’ movements from place to place in Mark.

BTW, are you M.A.D.?

Apostles - one sent - they are trained before they are sent out. Disciple - a pupil, in training. Samaria was between Judea and Galilee. Samaria had many Jews in resident at that time. Our Lord took the shortest route to Galilee, through Samaria. In His humanity He was tired and thirsty and He sat down at the well. The woman came to the well where He rested, so she came to where He was.

Are you telling me that the Lord Jesus Christ told an untruth when He said, “I am NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.”? Mt. 15:24.

I am a mature believer in the LORD Jesus Christ. I am saved and SEALED! He is my wonderful Savior and LORD! Thusly, I am an ambassador for Christ.

 

[Philthy]

The Greek word for saints is hagios, holy ones, saved people.

Which is the literal interpretation, holy or saved?

The “new covenant” will be made with Israel and Judah [Jer. 31:31].

Please define Israel in the New Covenant - is their identity national: are they Jews by race, circumcision, etc or are they Jews by faith?.

The Syro-Phenican woman in Mt. 15 addressed the Lord as “Son of David.” She had no claim to Him as such. He told her that it was not right to take the “children’s” [Israel] bread and cast it to ‘dogs’. When she accepted her position as subservient to Israel He blessed her. Not before.

So it becomes “right” to cast it to “dogs”? That doesnt really make sense. She never pretended to be a Jew so there was no need to “acknowledge” that she wasn’t.
I think when she acted on her faith in Christ she was no longer a dog, QC, by virtue of her faith, which places her as a “descendant of Abraham” by faith, and heir to the promise. See Romans 9:
.But it is not that the word of God has failed. For not all who are of Israel are Israel,e 7nor are they all children of Abraham because they are his descendants; but “It is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name.”f 8This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as descendants.
It is the children who are descendants by faith…like the woman above.

This scenario fits quite well with prophecy which places Israel as the “head and not the tail.” With Gentiles planting and harvesting their crops, etc.

I don’t get your point. Why is a discussion of Israel relevant to the thread anyhow?
All the nations will be gathered and judged according to their works (of the Spirit), just as Christ says…it’s not that complicated.

Blessings

 

[ddarko]

That’s correct. When sending them out by themselves as"Apostles in training" He circumscribed their actions. He, Himself, had already shown them, by purposely seeking out Gentiles, that His message and salvation were for all people. He did not wish the Apostles to go to the Decapolis or to Perea as He had. He wished to keep them close.

I think it would be more helpful to you, if you got a map of the Holy land at the time of the Incarnation and traced Jesus’ movements and understood what lands He went to and who lived there. If they allowed me to post an image here I would to help you understand how obvious your error is.

Let’s take the Samaritan woman, she did not “come to Him.” Jesus went out of His way to go to that well and wait for her. She would never have spoken to him at all had he not spoken to her first.

Your last question: Am I a M.A.D.? I am a mature believer in the LORD Jesus Christ. I am COMPLETE IN HIM! I am SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT UNTIL THE REDEMTION OF MY BODY. I have been FORGIVEN OF ALL TREASPASSES!

Did Jesus say “Salvation is from the Jews?” Certainly, He is salvation and He came from Israel, to bring salvation to the world:

21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

I think you might understand better if you Google “Decapolis” and then trace Jesus’ movements from place to place in Mark.

BTW, are you M.A.D.?

Apostles - one sent - they are trained before they are sent out. Disciple - a pupil, in training. Samaria was between Judea and Galilee. Samaria had many Jews in resident at that time. Our Lord took the shortest route to Galilee, through Samaria. In His humanity He was tired and thirsty and He sat down at the well. The woman came to the well where He rested, so she came to where He was.

Are you telling me that the Lord Jesus Christ told an untruth when He said, “I am NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.”? Mt. 15:24.

I am a mature believer in the LORD Jesus Christ. I am saved and SEALED! He is my wonderful Savior and LORD! Thusly, I am an ambassador for Christ.

Um was this addressed to me?

If so, then how do you know you are saved and sealed? Is it from an interpretation of a certain Scripture verse? If the answer is YES, then how do you know that you interpreted that Scripture verse properly?

In other words,

1. How do you know that you interpreted ANY Scripture verse properly?
2. How do you know that the Bible contains the Word of God anyway?

Please answer the above after much thought.

God Bless

 

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

This is the Gospel According to Leadee? Do you really think "lack of deeds’ is not sin? Jesus says it is, quite clearly and specifically:

Matthew 25:31-46

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This is the Word of the Lord.

Feed the Lord here.

(Note that there is punishment for lack of love. We do nothing to our peril.)

This what i throw at the O.S.A.S. crowd. Matthew 25:31-46 works pretty well.

Good post Julia Mae…

Matthew

 

[QuickCat]

Ah! You are MAD. Rightly dividing the Word, are you? Gospels irrelevant, Paul as the true Gospel?

For anyone unfamiliar, try this: Mid-Acts Dispensation

I’m not sure where they draw the line here between discussion and you trying to proselytize Catholics, but you don’t sound to me like you are asking questions you need Catholic Answers to. You sound like you are preaching heresy.

“Rightly dividing the Word of truth” 2 Tim. 2:15. Thanks for the URL, I have never heard of this group, but looks very interesting. Thanks Again.
I am not a “proselytizer,” but I am an ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ. Plead guilty to that!
QC