What must I do to be saved?

[Matthew_P_Muehl]

I don’t understand your question, I’m sorry. The only Jesus Christ I know if is the one from the Bible. Didn’t the apostles, who were inspired by God write a good part of the new testiment? You’ve got me really confused.

So you say that Christ came out of the Bible. Which came first Christ or the Bible? So your saying that Christ did not exist not until 392 A.D. when the Bible Cannon was established?
You need to read up on EARLY Church history my friend…
May the Holy Spirit guide to the TRUTH.

Matthew

 

[davidmlamb]

David: Apparently you are not aware of the fact that Israel is promised a kingdom on earth. That kingdom was contingent upon Israel accepting their Messiah [the Lord Jesus Christ]. The kingdom was proclaimed as “at hand” during the Lord’s earthly ministry to Israel. It was offered [by Peter] in Acts 3:19-21. This is all the subject of Bible prophecy. All during the book of Acts the Jew is first! Peter goes ONLY to Israel until he is sent to Cornelius, who BTW was a proselyte at the gate. This pictured Gentiles coming into the kingdom that was promised to Israel. Isa. 60:1-3 is a prime Scripture for the Gentiles coming into this kingdom. We now know that the Jews rejected their Messiah and the Holy Spirit has Paul pronounce that dreadful sentence in Acts 28:25-29. BTW, this is the 3rd and final turning to the Gentiles in Acts [note 13:46 and 18:6].

QuickCat, for the third time I must ask you; what is your argument? Are you arguing that the new covenant was only originally intended to be a covenant for the Jews excluding the Gentiles? If that is the case then further explain what God’s plan for the Gentiles was had Israel accepted the Messiah? Clarify your argument and then I can properly comment.

Peace,
David

 

[Leadee]

New International Version (©1984)
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
New Living Translation (©2007)
so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.

English Standard Version (©2001)
if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
but in case I am delayed, I write so that you will know how one ought to conduct himself in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and support of the truth.

International Standard Version (©2008)
in case I am delayed, so that you may know how to behave in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
in case I’m delayed. I want you to know how people who are members of God’s family must live. God’s family is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

King James Bible
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

American King James Version
But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

American Standard Version
but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Bible in Basic English
But if I am long in coming, this will make clear to you what behaviour is right for men in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and base of what is true.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Darby Bible Translation
but if I delay, in order that thou mayest know how one ought to conduct oneself in God’s house, which is the assembly of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth.

English Revised Version
but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how men ought to behave themselves in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Webster’s Bible Translation
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Weymouth New Testament
But, for fear I may be hindered, I now write, so that you may have rules to guide you in dealing with God’s household. For this is what the Church of the ever-living God is, and it is the pillar and foundation-stone of the truth.

I think I’m saying foundation when I mean foundational Truth. The church is the pillar, upholder, foundation, but the object is not the church, the object is the Gospel. The church has been entrusted to carry the Truth to the rest of the world and the church being, those gathered in Jesus’ name who are the children of God. It’s not just a few chosen men but the entire bodies job, no?

 

[Julia_Mae]

Your last question: Am I a M.A.D.? I am a mature believer in the LORD Jesus Christ. I am COMPLETE IN HIM! I am SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT UNTIL THE REDEMTION OF MY BODY. I have been FORGIVEN OF ALL TREASPASSES!

Uh-huh. Well, as such a mature and complete redeemed person, I wonder what are you doing on a Catholic message board?

Samaria had many Jews in resident at that time.

Citation for this fact?

Our Lord took the shortest route to Galilee, through Samaria. In His humanity He was tired and thirsty and He sat down at the well. The woman came to the well where He rested, so she came to where He was.

As He knew she would. She did not seek Him, she did not open a conversation with Him, she would never have spoken to Him first. Ever. He used the encounter to stay in Samaria and evangelize the Samaritans.

Are you telling me that the Lord Jesus Christ told an untruth when He said, “I am NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL.”? Mt. 15:24.

You seem to be saying He did. He states categorically He is only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and then immediately contradicts Himself and heals the pagan woman’s child?

Or maybe it’s that Jesus did not speak English which at the time didn’t even exist. And you have misinterpreted “but” as a modern English usage when it is a word used with meaning common to the early 17th century. (1611 as I am sure you know.) And maybe you don’t know there were no question marks in the original text and Jesus wasn’t asking a question at all but stating a fact.

The quote is a response to His disciples who wanted Him to send the woman away. To make you understand what He said, you have to translate up to modern English where “but to” actually means “only to” so what Jesus said was. “I am not sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

IOW,** you have it exactly backwards**. Unless you think Holy Scripture lies when it says: John 1:29, “ Behold the Lamb of God, who comes to take away the sin of the world!.”

And do you think Jesus was lying when He said: This is my body…this is my blood.

Do you also think He lied when He said that those who do not feed the hungry and care for the sick and do other acts of love as He commanded us will be sent to eternal punishment?

Just how did you decide which things Jesus said to believe and which to ignore?

Tell me, have you ever just started at Mark and read through the Gospels? You seem to want to believe Jesus, so have you ever just concentrated on the things He said and did?

I am a mature believer in the LORD Jesus Christ. I am saved and SEALED! He is my wonderful Savior and LORD! Thusly, I am an ambassador for Christ.

Well, we don’t need an Ambassador, but thanks for thinking of us. See, we have Jesus Christ in the flesh. No intermediaries needed.

 

[Julia_Mae]

See Romans 9:
.

But it is not that the word of God has failed. For not all who are of Israel are Israel,e 7nor are they all children of Abraham because they are his descendants; but “It is through Isaac that descendants shall bear your name.”f 8

This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as descendants.

As we see in the Gospels also when Zacchaeus climbs the tree:

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Luke 19:4-10**

4 So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.

5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.

7 All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”

8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

Note that Jesus doesn’t limit those He has come to save to any particular group - except lost people.

 

[Julia_Mae]

This what i throw at the O.S.A.S. crowd. Matthew 25:31-46 works pretty well.

Good post Julia Mae…

Matthew

Thanks, Matthew. You must have been doing this a while. Have you ever gotten any of them to actually define “saved?”

Was it done ITT? Has anyone spoken of salvation as process instead of event?

 

[PRmerger]

I think I’m saying foundation when I mean foundational Truth. The church is the pillar, upholder, foundation, but the object is not the church, the object is the Gospel.

The Catholic Church’s object is JESUS.

The church has been entrusted to carry the Truth to the rest of the world and the church being, those gathered in Jesus’ name who are the children of God. It’s not just a few chosen men but the entire bodies job, no?

Indeed. You are very Catholic to say this, Leadee. We are all called to go out into the world and evangelize.

But you still have not posted what this church, consisting of “those gathered in Jesus’ name who are the children of God” should preach. Should they preach that

• baptism is an ordinance? Or is it a sacrament?
• the day of worship is Sunday? Or t must be done on Saturday?
• women can be pastors? Or they can’t speak in church?
• divorce and re-marriage is ok? Or, as Christ said, adultery?
• gay marriage is a right? Or marriage is between a man and a woman?
• music is forbidden to be played in church? Or organs and guitars and bongo drums?
• speaking in tongues must be part of the worship service? Or it can’t be?

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Following PRMerger’s list in the previous post, here’s a short list of the choices in Protestantism: Which must I subscribe to in order to be saved? Oy veh!

you want tongues? you got it
tongues are demonic? got that too
infant baptism? got it
believers baptism? got it
no baptism? got it
baptism by immersion? got it
baptism by sprinking or pouring? got it
Arminian soteriology? got it
Calvinism/Predestination? got it
liberalism? got it
conservativism? got it
Hyper-Calvinism? got it
want abortion? got it
white supremacy? got that too
what about white-hating groups? yep…got ‘em
divorce & remarriage? how many ?
liberation theology? of course…Black, Brown, or White
snake handlers? heck yeah
women preachers? yes siree!
pre-mil? sure
post-mil? oh, yeah
a-mil? hah! sure nuff
pan-mil? whatever!
Modalism? you betcha
Trinitarian…got lotsa those
practicing homosexual ministers? certainly
keep the homosexual partner in the rectory? right on
communion as a remembrance? yes, we have that
communion as a real sacrifice? surely do
spiritual communion? why, certainly
no communion? yes, we do that, too
infant communion? yes
baptized believers communion only? uh huh
dancing in the aisles? come on down!!!
music? yup
no music? nope. God doesn’t like music
high church? got it
low church? got it
no church? got it
infralapsarianism? of course
supralapsarian? si
KJV only? why, yes
NIV only? that too
ya wanna tithe? ok…
but don’t hafta tithe …if ya don’t wanna - that’s ok too
long dresses, no braids, no jewelry? we gotcha covered
short skirts and see-through blouses? we also gotcha uncovered
Saturday your Sabbath day? sure…
works with faith? yeppers
sola fide? of course
birth control ok? sure
you don’t wanna get married, just shack up? nuthin’ wrong wit dat.
laying on of hands for healing? ok
ain’t no healing - okay Bubba
you want to wash feet? yeah, we wash feet too.
Baptism by immersion? yes indeedy
how bout by sprinkling? why sure
pouring? ok, why not?
you want a Mary with lots of kiddos? bring on them brothers & sisters
Mary has only One Son? sign up right here
venerate saints? ok
no saints allowed? - okey dokey
you wanna charge others with idol worship?..hallelujah, brother!
you want to walk an isle to get saved? “come on down!!!”
you want to just sit there and ask Jesus into your heart? ok…just do it.
Original Sin? oh yeah
no Original Sin? of course!
art? lots
no art? nah, not allowed
grape juice and crackers? absolutely
bread and wine? yes and no
hot chocolate and cinnamon toast? yeah, yummy
the list can go on and on . . . but we’ll stop here

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF BELIEVING ( fill in the blank ), RAISE YOUR HAND!

I cut and pasted (saved) this long ago, but I don’t know the source. I made a few changes and added the last line.

Jim Dandy

 

[ddarko]

I think I’m saying foundation when I mean foundational Truth. The church is the pillar, upholder, foundation, but the object is not the church, the object is the Gospel. The church has been entrusted to carry the Truth to the rest of the world and the church being, those gathered in Jesus’ name who are the children of God. It’s not just a few chosen men but the entire bodies job, no?

How do you know the above underlined section?

Is it not also an interpretation of Scripture? If so, then it still does not make sense because you are assuming what you are about to prove i.e. Those gathered in Jesus’s name can teach and it is not just a few chosen men.

We also know your position is false by looking at the early church. Historically speaking, we see that not everyone who KNEW Jesus was allowed to decide on teaching matters or become an apostle. Just look at the circumcision debate for an example. So what you say does not even historically agree with the Early Church.

God Bless

 

[Philthy]

As we see in the Gospels also when Zacchaeus climbs the tree:

**
Luke 19:4-10**

4 So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.

5 When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.” 6 So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.

7 All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”

8 But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

Note that Jesus doesn’t limit those He has come to save to any particular group - except lost people.

You mean I was right?! Thanks!!

 

[QuickCat]

Yes, they did write a good portion of the New Testament. However, the issue is that they did not have these written parts with them while they were preaching the Gospel. The Gospel was first and always will be an oral preaching. And while the Scriptures are God’s inspired Word, they were not the original way that the Gospel was brought to the people. To understand Jesus, people listened to the Apostles. They committed themselves to their teaching. This is what ddarko is getting at. If you were to not have the New Testament at all, how would you go from the Resurrection of our Lord to Christianity? This needs to be answered, because for a good 300 years or more after the Ascension of our Lord, the Apostles taught and preached the Gospel without a Bible. They may have had some Scriptures, but it was not a definitive Canon which was bound together and considered to be the ultimate authority.

Paul wrote most of the New Testament epistles. He wasn’t one of the 12. The 12 did preach a gospel. Can you tell me the content of the gospel they preached? Did it include the gospel by which we are saved in this dispensation of the grace of God? Which is, the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Show me where they preached this in the 4 gospels. You may want to check Mattthew 16:21-23, Luke 18:31-34 and John 20:9 to see if they preached what Paul preached in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
I pray that this will help your understanding.
QC

 

[QuickCat]

QuickCat, for the third time I must ask you; what is your argument? Are you arguing that the new covenant was only originally intended to be a covenant for the Jews excluding the Gentiles? If that is the case then further explain what God’s plan for the Gentiles was had Israel accepted the Messiah? Clarify your argument and then I can properly comment.

Peace,
David

David: I am so sorry that you don’t understand the Word of God. It is no secret that Gentiles would be saved. Under the prophetic plan, when the kingdom is established on earth with the Lord Jesus Christ sitting on David’s throne in Jerusalem Israel will be the instrument to evangelize the Gentiles. But the Jews rejected their Messiah and that kingdom is now in abeyance until the “fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” Gentiles are now being saved, as well as Jews, dispite Israel’s unbelief. Romans 9-11 would be of great help for you to understand this. God will yet establish a new covenant with Israel as I pointed out in Jer. 31:31-34. Paul writes that the Gentiles were “strangers from the covenants of promise…” Eph. 2:12.

 

[QuickCat]

Uh-huh. Well, as such a mature and complete redeemed person, I wonder what are you doing on a Catholic message board?

Julia Mae: Thanks for the good question. I don’t recall just how I came upon the CAF. I believe someone gave them my e-mail address because it just showed up one day in my e-mails. I found it to be of interest so I replied to a few items. Then I sorta quit replying and I received e-mails from CAF asking me why I wasn’t participating? So I supposed my responses were appreciated. Perhaps I am wrong. Do you want me to quit responding?

 

[QuickCat]

[Well, we don’t need an Ambassador, but thanks for thinking of us. See, we have Jesus Christ in the flesh. No intermediaries needed.
[/QUOTE]

Julia Mae, Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, writes that all believers are “ambassadors for Christ.” 2 Cor. 5:21. An ambassador is not a mediator, he represents his Lord in Satan’s world.

I, too, have the Lord Jesus Christ. He indwells me - Col. 1:27. I am complete [how?] IN HIM -Col. 2:10. Paul uses the phrase “in Christ” some 74 times in his epistles. It is not found in the 4 gospels, one time in Acts and 2 times in 1 Peter. And the Lord Jesus Christ is the ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN - 1 Tim. 2:5. So you see, we do need a mediator after all.

Grace and Peace,
QC

 

[QuickCat]

Mt 15:21 ¶ And Jesus went out thence, and withdrew into the parts of Tyre and Sidon.
Mt 15:22 And behold, a Canaanitish woman came out from those borders, and cried, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a demon.
Mt 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mt 15:25 But she came and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mt 15:26 And he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread and cast it to the dogs.
Mt 15:27 But she said, Yea, Lord: for even the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.
Mt 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it done unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was healed from that hour.

 

[QuickCat]

(And just to tweak your understanding a bit: you know it’s the Word of God only through one means: through the Catholic Church. For you would not know that the Gospel of Luke is the Word of God but the Gospel of Peter is not, except by the proclamations of the Catholic Church. Yes, “all Scripture is inspired by God”, but you cannot know what is “Scripture” except by an outside authority.)

Nah, the Bible says it is the Word of God. ALL SCRIPTURE is God breathed…" 2 Tim 3:16
The Word of God is ALIVE and POWERFUL…Heb. 4:16
So faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD - Romans 10:17
Peter implies that Paul’s epistles are SCRIPTURE - 2 Peter 3:15,16

 

[highcalling]

catholicintl.com/index.php/component/content/article/75-qaa/517-question-164-july-2009

 

[QuickCat]

Uh-huh. Well, as such a mature and complete redeemed person, I wonder what are you doing on a Catholic message board?

Citation for this fact?

As He knew she would. She did not seek Him, she did not open a conversation with Him, she would never have spoken to Him first. Ever. He used the encounter to stay in Samaria and evangelize the Samaritans.

You seem to be saying He did. He states categorically He is only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and then immediately contradicts Himself and heals the pagan woman’s child?

Or maybe it’s that Jesus did not speak English which at the time didn’t even exist. And you have misinterpreted “but” as a modern English usage when it is a word used with meaning common to the early 17th century. (1611 as I am sure you know.) And maybe you don’t know there were no question marks in the original text and Jesus wasn’t asking a question at all but stating a fact.

The quote is a response to His disciples who wanted Him to send the woman away. To make you understand what He said, you have to translate up to modern English where “but to” actually means “only to” so what Jesus said was. “I am not sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

OH MY! Julia Mae, that is twisting the meaning of what my Lord actually said. I have many translations of the Bible and none of them record your meaning of this verse.
He said in reply, ‘I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.’ Mt. 15:24 Which version do you think I am quoting here?

 

[Jim_Dandy]

Paul wrote most of the New Testament epistles. He wasn’t one of the 12. The 12 did preach a gospel. Can you tell me the content of the gospel they preached? Did it include the gospel by which we are saved in this dispensation of the grace of God? Which is, the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Show me where they preached this in the 4 gospels. You may want to check Mattthew 16:21-23, Luke 18:31-34 and John 20:9 to see if they preached what Paul preached in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.
I pray that this will help your understanding.
QC

QC,

The father of modern “Dispensationalism” was John Nelson Darby in the 1830’s. It was not taught by Jesus or the Apostles.

 

[Julia_Mae]

So I supposed my responses were appreciated. Perhaps I am wrong. Do you want me to quit responding?

Yup. Just tell your email program that anything from CAF is “spam” and they will remove it for you.