What of America is there to be proud of?

[LilyM]

Sorry, but which attitude?

The ‘darned if you do, darned if you don’t’ attitude towards US involvement in other countries’ affairs that you mentioned earlier.

 

[wabrams]

Of course the British POWs got champagne, caviar and locals to work on the railway in their place instead

In other words, you can’t refute it so you’re just going to make smart comments.

 

[LilyM]

In other words, you can’t refute it so you’re just going to make smart comments.

In my defence I said ‘it gives you an idea’ of their sufferings.

I hope we can agree that there’s nothing French POWs suffered on the Thai-Burma railway that the British, the Australians and anyone else who may have been working on it didn’t suffer right alongside of them.

What the movie portrays is not in the slightest an exaggeration of the horrors of various kinds that the Japanese inflicted on them.

 

[RLT]

Most of what makes us proud of America (United States actually, America encompasses north and south),

Good grief, what other countries on this planet have America in their official name. I don’t know of any, except for the United States of America. I don’t see why people get so nitpicky and argumentative about using America as a short form.

If one visiting Germany states he is from America it sould be assumed that he means the USA because if someone visits from Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago or Canada they will say they are from Brazil, Argentina, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, or Canada not America. Be realistic no one ever answers the question “Were are you from” with what continent or hemisphere they reside in.

It is perfectly proper for a citizen of the USA to say they are American and expect people to understand they mean USA especially if the United Mexican States gets to use Mexico and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela get to use Venezuela for short.

I suppose if it’s so important and it will make people feel better we can cese the use of America and American and just say we are from the United States…but what would that make us United Statesians? Estadounidense works in spanish, doesn’t translate too well to english.

Any other alternatives.

 

[Verisimilitude]

It certainly does not. The policy in Vietnam was “police action” not war. Our troops were handcuffed.

You might want to talk to a guy named Vern here. Carefull though. He bites.

So you say. I disagree. To me, Saddam has not been productive or well received.

What was Saddam to you a a threat?

Again, I didn’t and never said that. I would gladly discuss this issue in another thread if you’d like to.

An American security and interest ethic.

What American interest? God plays no role in that ethic you use?

Such as?

I’ll write slower.

?? No, These ones:

I could cut and paste my answers but they would be the same. He is a lunitic on a rant. I say kill him quickly. He says some obvious things of no import: the US military is made up of Americans- men and women, we choose our own leaders freely (if coerced by media/other interests)…

Of import are and also true:
we were in Arabia, we did have a blockade of Iraq going, and our tax dollars were funding it all.

I don;t care what he says as much as what we do and we were marching to the orders of a foreign body- the UN. My income tax was being given to Pakistan, and Arabia. Iraq then like Iran now is not a threat to the US. Pakistan has nukes and couldn;t hit the Atlantic ocean much less get across it. What are you afraid of? We can’t gurad our own borders so we go guard theirs?

 

[pnewton]

Don’t you dare make this into an ‘our war was worse than your war’ contest because there is no way the US suffered more than Britain did either during or after the war

You might want to read the whole conversation before jumping in all indignant. I was called down for stating that the Americans were the only ones who fought globally, not the only ones who fought. You could have also mention the Chinese that lost more and struggled harder than either of our countries, or the Russians for that matter. The point was that America did more than just respond to the Japanese attack. We fought in Europe, Africa and the Pacific.

I didn’t imply anything about the British except that they did not fight as a naval force in the Pacific. Lily, you should listen to what people say, not what you imagine they say or think they imply.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I didn’t imply anything about the British except that they did not fight as a naval force in the Pacific.

Just to clarify, I think they actually did. However, it is my impression that British naval forces in the Pacific were knocked out of the war early on by the Japanese.

 

[mary_bobo]

This thread has gotten off target. The OP asked “What of America is there to be proud of?” I’m not sure bringing other countries into it is what the OP had in mind.

 

[neat62]

This thread has gotten off target. The OP asked “What of America is there to be proud of?” I’m not sure bringing other countries into it is what the OP had in mind.

You are correct, this thread was supposed to be about pride in America. But America haters have came in and stated why they hate America. I am proud to be an American who defends America against all of it’s haters, foreign and domestic.

 

[vern_humphrey]

You are correct, this thread was supposed to be about pride in America. But America haters have came in and stated why they hate America. I am proud to be an American who defends America against all of it’s haters, foreign and domestic.

Funny how the “Hate America” crowd chooses to continue living here and enjoying all the freedoms someone else purchased for them, isn’t it?

 

[neat62]

Verisimilitude;3859657

What was Saddam to you a a threat?

Stay focused here, Yoda. I said he wasn’t well received. That means I didn’t like him or his ways. So I supported removing him.

If you want to discuss past Iranian policies, I’d be glad to do it in another thread. IE: It’s will be a long thread. No need to hijack this thread with long, off topic posts. Meaning, it’s not a simple yes or no answer.

What American interest? God plays no role in that ethic you use?

Not neccessarily when it comes to foreign policy. Catholics are supposedly anti war, right? Well that dosen’t sit well with me. Particularly because it is not supported by the Church in a simple, clean cut way. No Pope will condone war, but they also realize that it is needed sometimes.

I’ll write slower.

Not slower, just with some more information.
“Have you ever considered you might have a wrong view of that?”

Wrong in what view?

I could cut and paste my answers but they would be the same. He is a lunitic on a rant. I say kill him quickly. He says some obvious things of no import: the US military is made up of Americans- men and women, we choose our own leaders freely (if coerced by media/other interests)…

Kill him and another one steps up. And yes, we saw people like him in Iraq. We have them all over the world. In 100 different nations, including Iraq. His ideology is like roaches. What good does it do to kill just one of them?

Of import are and also true:
we were in Arabia, we did have a blockade of Iraq going, and our tax dollars were funding it all.

So?

I don;t care what he says as much as what we do and we were marching to the orders of a foreign body- the UN. My income tax was being given to Pakistan, and Arabia. Iraq then like Iran now is not a threat to the US. Pakistan has nukes and couldn;t hit the Atlantic ocean much less get across it. What are you afraid of? We can’t gurad our own borders so we go guard theirs?

Oh, you are an isolationist. I see now. I remember where that policy got us, and the world, in the past. No thanks.

 

[neat62]

Funny how the “Hate America” crowd chooses to continue living here and enjoying all the freedoms someone else purchased for them, isn’t it?

It is funny. But like I said before, I know what I would personaly do if I felt that way about America. I would leave her. Go live in some other nation that is not as “evil” as America is or it’s government, that was elected by her people. Me, personally, would renounce my citizenship and flee to Canada, Spain, England, or anywhere else but here. But that’s just what I would do. Although, you would have to fight your way through the crowds of people flocking to get into the US, on your way out, but…

 

[vern_humphrey]

It is funny. But like I said before, I know what I would personaly do if I felt that way about America. I would leave her. Go live in some other nation that is not as “evil” as America is or it’s government, that was elected by her people. Me, personally, would renounce my citizenship and flee to Canada, Spain, England, or anywhere else but here. But that’s just what I would do. Although, you would have to fight your way through the crowds of people flocking to get into the US, on your way out, but…

I note how every election there are some “famous people” who vow to leave the country if so-and-so is elected. But they never do.

 

[pnewton]

Funny how the “Hate America” crowd chooses to continue living here and enjoying all the freedoms someone else purchased for them, isn’t it?

I noted earlier that one was always free to start their own hate America thread. For that matter, start a thread about the greatness of the British Empire or Australia on one of their national holidays. I bet a dollar to a doughnut that Americans here would not jump on to criticize, but rather to support their allies.

 

[rogerh_57]

Good grief, what other countries on this planet have America in their official name.

I suppose if it’s so important and it will make people feel better we can cese the use of America and American and just say we are from the United States…but what would that make us United Statesians? Estadounidense works in spanish, doesn’t translate too well to english.

Any other alternatives.

Sorry I touched a nerve there Marine! I added that comment just before I posted because I was corrected, earlier this year, from some former Marines by not using America “alone”. (Former Navy here 68-78) No doubt, when the world hears “America”, it thinks “United States”.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I noted earlier that one was always free to start their own hate America thread. For that matter, start a thread about the greatness of the British Empire or Australia on one of their national holidays. I bet a dollar to a doughnut that Americans here would not jump on to criticize, but rather to support their allies.

I note also the Hate America crowd is prone to claim “I see” when they didn’t see at all – except on television. People will condemn the United States based on what is presented on the news, and never even bother to go and see for themselves.

There is plenty of room in those countries where there are troubles for people to go and hand out soap, medicine, or deliver food. And if some of the Hate America crowd did that, they might actually see what’s going on, and come to understand all the good the United States is doing in the world.

 

[estesbob]

Heres a start of what i am proud of:

Freedom of Speech
Freedom of the Press
Freedom of Religion
Freedom of Assembly
Freedom to Petition

Why these freedoms are so absolute we even have the right to publicly call our Presadint a Moron or a war crimnal or any other epithet that comes to mind.

I recall the old joke about the Russian guard and a US guard at a Berlin Wall gate. The Amrican said" in My country I can stand in front of the Whitehouse and yell “Ronald Reagan is an evil warmonger. " The Russiian replied-thats no big deal-in my counrty I can stand in front of the Kremlin and yell"Ronald reagan is an evil warmonger” also.

 

[RachelsAlumni]

…the same First Amendment that protects our right to follow our chosen faith, also protects the rights of other Americans to follow their chosen faith, or follow no faith at all. We can’t make a law requiring all Americans to attend Mass anymore than the athiests can make a law requiring us all to stop attending Mass.

When I look at the state of life for Catholics and other Christians in other countries, I think about how lucky I am to be able to practice my faith without fear. I’m also happy that so many faiths can co-exist in this country without the kind of sectarian and religous violence that exists in other parts of the world.

It hasn’t always been that way in America. It certainly wasn’t the case in the original 13 colonies, where anti-Catholic penal laws from England were in full force. Catholics were not entirely freed from all the penal laws against them until thirty years after the Declaration of Independence was signed. For example, in New York State’s constitution signed in 1777, it was tolerant of all religions, except Catholics were denied full citizenship.

We can all thank our Irish Catholic ancestors, too, for their heroic part in not only the Revolution, but in legislation, according to this book called "A History of the Irish Settlers in North America; The Penal laws are discussed on Page 73. but as a Fitzsimmons you might be especially interested in page 78

 

[Peregrino]

Come this fourth of July, I am proud of all the true heroes of this country who have attempted to help this country live up to its potential. Heroes such as :

Thomas Paine
Henry David Thoreau
Sojourner Truth
Martin Luther King
Cesar Chavez

 

[ruslan]

For me it is:

The Declaration of Independence

The Constitution

The Bill of Rights

and

Fireworks on the Fourth of July.

I love the United States.