What one author says about the Muslim "religion"

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I read a very intersting book called America Alone…

Here is one thing he wrote (Mark Steyn)… p.62

"… it’s not merely that there’s a global jihad lurking within this religion [Islam], but that the religion itself is a plitical project - and, in fact, an imperial project - in a way that modern Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Budhhism are not. Furthermore, this particular religion is historically a somewhat bloodthirsty faith in which wahtever’s your bag vioence-wise can almost certainly be justified… [Christianity]… the Spanish Inquisition, which remains a byword for theocratic violence, killed fewer people in a century and a half than the jihad does in a typical year. So we have a global terrorist movement insulated within a global political project insulated within a severly self-segregating religion whose adherents are the fastest-growing demographic in the developed world " [They, unlike everyone else in the world, including so called Catholics, do NOT practice birth control].
 
He says further on:

"Islamism is a 21st century poltical project drvien by seventh-century idealogy. That’s a potent combination of ancient and modern. In Europe and North America, incendiary imams, - uneducated and knowing barely a word of the language spoken by the society in which they life - have nevertheless done a grand job at re-primitivizing second and third generation Western Muslims.

Not all of them, of course, but how many does it have to be to become a problem?"
 
He is not a lone figure saying these things. I have not read his book, but some others who are saying the same thing. And if one reads history, and Islam’s texts - Mark Styn and the others are ‘right on’ about what Islam and the Muslims are doing.

a couple of books,
‘A Never Ending War’,
‘Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs’ and
‘They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It’
The Third Jihad - 30 minute version
Brigette Gabriel’s talk at the Thomas More Law Center

This is happening in the UK and Europe too. Some books that show us this is Eurabia, While Europe Slept, and Menace in Europe. Brigette Gabriel has also, with Mark Styn, been trying to warn us because the same thing happened to her country, Lebanon. It is now a pig sty of Muslim violence. Source: Because They Hate.

If you notice the Current Jihads in the world you will see they are also doing it in Bosnia/Kosovo, the Philippines, Africa, Israel/Gaza, India. And we only concentrate on Israel (which is important and that Obama is throwing under the bus), but Muslims persecute and/or kill more Christians than any other group.

And the reason is - Jihad. NOT land, NOT oppression (their oppression of others is not mentioned), NOT aggression (well, their aggression is mostly not mentioned), the West and our faults, etc - it is all because that is what Muhammed told them to do via their own texts.

‘Good works’ in Islam is… killing unbelievers. Or subjugating them if they are ‘of the book’ and accept subjugation with their terms.

You see, the Israelis are not ‘accepting subjugation’, or death, and want to live freely. But no one asks - Why is it that the Israelis accept them into their land, and they live without conditions, but the Muslims do not do the same to them OR ANY OTHER GROUP!?
 
Here’s a must see of the Muslim persecution of Christians. Wake up, folks! And the people who do these horrendous acts consider themselves superior to everyone else and the “best of creation”?

Here’s another film, “The Islamic Mein Kampf”.

Vickie
 
Here is the ‘Muslim pie chart’ This was deleted previously and ‘peterpendant’ put it back up on youtube. I downloaded it too Here is an excerpt about this video: This is a video from an ex-youtuber called millitaryboot. He had a fantastic channel with some excellently thought out videos and brilliantly referenced arguments. but then he suddenly disappeared along with all his vids. This was one of them which I had favourited, I did a back up just in case somebody flagged it down. its a good job I did because now I can share it with the people who didn’t get to see it first time around.

The video breaks down good/bad/and ‘seemingly’ indifferent Muslims. I call them ‘seemingly’ indifferent because some don’t know that the ones who are ‘seemingly’ indifferent quite often do jihad via the giving of their money and deceiving us about Islam and its goals for all unbelievers in dar al harb (the lands of war which is our infidel lands not under Sharia laws).

Islam’s own texts berates Muslims who do not wage violent jihad.

-Quran’s definition of a good Muslim: a Jihadist leaves his home, sacrificing his wealth and life, fighting in Allah’s cause. Allah says they will be rewarded with stolen booty if they survive or a heavenly bordello if they die.
  • Quran’s definition of a bad Muslim: are peaceful. Allah calls them hypocrites because they are unwilling to fight. It even says that peaceful Muslims are the ‘most vile of creatures’ and that hell’s hottest fires await them.
  • Good Muslims planned, funded, staffed, executed and/or celebrated 9/11. Just like the good Muslims rioted/protested when Hamas was being attacked after they have been lobbing bombs into Israel on a daily basis and even used Muslim children as human shields.
  • More from surah 8, the imams preach: ‘O prophet, urge the faithful to fight…’ And this is the math of terror. It is possible because infidels are ignorant of Islam.
  • surah 5, infidels are defined. ‘They are surely Infidels who say Christ, the Messiah is God.’ (5:72)
  • surah 4, allah recruits suicide bombers: ‘Those who barter their life in this world for the next should fight in the way of Allah; whether he is killed or victorious, a glorious reward awaits.’ ‘Urge the believers to fight to keep back the might of the Infidels.’ ‘Seize them and kill them wherever they are.’
  • more on peaceful muslims in surah 4 - ‘Muslims who sit idle are not equal to those who fight in Allah’s cause with their wealth and lives, Allah has exalted those who fight for Islam.’
Islamic Sira: Ishaq:587 ‘Our onslaught will not be a weak flattering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight no caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is
established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.’
 
Vatican Council and Papal Statements on Islam

Paul VI, Ecclesiam Suam 107, August 6, 1964
“Then [we refer] to the adorers of God according to the conception of monotheism,** the Muslim religion especially, deserving of our admiration** for all that is true and good in their worship of God.”

Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964
“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,** in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,** mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965
…
“The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.

“Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.”
…

It also has many, many quotes from John Paul II on Muslims, including his address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985 where he said:
“Christians and Muslims have many things in common…We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection. . . ."

usccb.org/seia/textsislam.shtml
 
AGabriel - Hi there - long time no see… 😛

Vid link is bad… 😦

Booklover/Vickie - great vid’s - I’ve seen them before. I often check on the site you posted to read up at least once a week…

All my best,
Me - 😃
 
jakasaki said:
AGabriel - Hi there - long time no see… 😛

Vid link is bad… 😦

Booklover/Vickie - great vid’s - I’ve seen them before. I often check on the site you posted to read up at least once a week…

All my best,
Me - 😃
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Hi! Youtube is back up - I am on it right now.

The video I posted is not the best, but I copied it in case it gets deleted again.
 
Palm_Tree said:
Vatican Council and Papal Statements on Islam

Paul VI, Ecclesiam Suam 107, August 6, 1964
“Then [we refer] to the adorers of God according to the conception of monotheism,** the Muslim religion especially, deserving of our admiration** for all that is true and good in their worship of God.”

Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964
“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,** in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,** mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965
…
“The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.

“Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.”
…

It also has many, many quotes from John Paul II on Muslims, including his address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985 where he said:
“Christians and Muslims have many things in common…We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection. . . ."

usccb.org/seia/textsislam.shtml
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So? Are you saying that you are going to remain ignorant of Islam because of what someone says about Islam who has not read its texts? It is not a sin to know and it is not a sin to know what they are doing to us either.

Some examples of what Muslims are trying to accomplish in the USA:
  • make sure Islam and Muhammed are told in a (deceitful) way in our kid’s textbooks. Basically, they will not learn about the violent jihads that have been waged since the 7th century and are still going strong.
  • make our kids ‘pray like a Muslim’ while the Muslim kids have no requirement on them to do the same of other religions.
  • threaten and intimidate others to stop discussing Islam, Muhammed, and its texts. And this they are doing through the UN, our own political and religious leaders who are chosing ignorance of all of the above, and via lawsuits.
  • The MSA (Muslim Student Association) is on our colleges and the increase of anti-semitism is being noted. The MSA is backed by the Muslim Brotherhood and docs have been found in the USA and Europe stating the MSA is just another tool they are using in their stealth jihad.
(there has already been this sort of behavior on UCIrvine)
"After analyzing the data on the locations of the Muslims of America compounds in seemingly remote locations it is increasingly obvious (to me) that they are locating close to certain places for the purpose of performing routine surveillance and launching attacks on even more ambitious targets, with the goal of designing an coordinated attack to culminate a major disaster!
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Among these locations were the route lines and control stations for the states’ communications, petroleum, gas, electric and hydroelectric systems.
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Here is a video: homegrown terrorism - over 30 compounds

Take note who is behind these - a terrorist.
 
Agabriel said:
So? Are you saying that you are going to remain ignorant of Islam because of what someone says about Islam who has not read its texts? It is not a sin to know and it is not a sin to know what they are doing to us either.

Some examples of what Muslims are trying to accomplish in the USA:
  • make sure Islam and Muhammed are told in a (deceitful) way in our kid’s textbooks. Basically, they will not learn about the violent jihads that have been waged since the 7th century and are still going strong.
  • make our kids ‘pray like a Muslim’ while the Muslim kids have no requirement on them to do the same of other religions.
  • threaten and intimidate others to stop discussing Islam, Muhammed, and its texts. And this they are doing through the UN, our own political and religious leaders who are chosing ignorance of all of the above, and via lawsuits.
  • The MSA (Muslim Student Association) is on our colleges and the increase of anti-semitism is being noted. The MSA is backed by the Muslim Brotherhood and docs have been found in the USA and Europe stating the MSA is just another tool they are using in their stealth jihad.
(there has already been this sort of behavior on UCIrvine)
Here is a video: homegrown terrorism - over 30 compounds

Take note who is behind these - a terrorist.
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Yeah, I’m going to stick with the Church. You believe what ever you want.
 
Palm_Tree said:
Yeah, I’m going to stick with the Church. You believe what ever you want.
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It is not a belief - for me, it is in black and white… and too often red (blood). It isn’t us declaring war, it isn’t us even WANTING war, it is they who have declared Jihad against us.

Yes, it is indeed easier to do that and not crack open their texts. It does take time and energy to do that.

With such a quick response as yours, I figure you didn’t read past the 1st paragraph. The largest export of Saudi Arabia is not oil, but Jiihadists. They are the largest backers of the Mosques in our lands and they export their imams and clerics spreading wahabbism.

But, I understand. It is comfortable in the sand.
 
Agabriel said:
It is not a belief - for me, it is in black and white… and too often red (blood). It isn’t us declaring war, it isn’t us even WANTING war, it is they who have declared Jihad against us.

Yes, it is indeed easier to do that and not crack open their texts. It does take time and energy to do that.

With such a quick response as yours, I figure you didn’t read past the 1st paragraph. The largest export of Saudi Arabia is not oil, but Jiihadists. They are the largest backers of the Mosques in our lands and they export their imams and clerics spreading wahabbism.

But, I understand. It is comfortable in the sand.
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Whether you are Catholic or not, you are foolish if think you know more about what is going on in this world and more about the Muslim texts than somebody like the Pope, who is responsible for 1 billion Catholics on this planet, has hundreds of advisors, is the chief of state of a country, etc
 
Palm_Tree said:
Whether you are Catholic or not, you are foolish if think you know more about what is going on in this world and more about the Muslim texts than somebody like the Pope, who is responsible for 1 billion Catholics on this planet, has hundreds of advisors, is the chief of state of a country, etc
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I do not assume that at all. I do know about Islam though.

And don’t feel insulted just because I realize that you won’t convince me to lay down and be a martyr. I think too many of us have this ‘martyrdom syndrome’. Maybe if you studied some Islamic history you would find that many of these Muslims in the Middle East were also Christians and Jews - who knew that facing death or subjugation was too harsh a sentence so they became Muslims. Not realizing that they were condemning their children to Islam. Many did not chose Islam and chose either death or subjugation. But, the dhimmi population (subjugated ones) has diminished severly in the last decade and they are currently being persecuted and killed too.

Maybe if more people realized that Islam is not just a religion, but also a political movement. But, even more than that it is all invasive - it has rules for even their potty (yes, going to the bathroom) behaviors.

The political aspects are so intertwined with the religious that ‘good deeds’ is defined as
  1. To believe in me (Muhammed and Allah) and our doctrine
  2. To fight on behalf of our cause
And their doctrine, as I have noted above and if you would crack open their texts, is close to what Hitler’s doctrine was - terrorize, kill Jews and unbelievers, steal, enslave, assassinate (fatwas), and deceive the infidels in order to achieve these goals. And the ones who chose not to fight are to give of their wealth to these ends and ‘muddy the waters’ of what Islam is. To emulate Muhammed is what it is all about and he did those things and even a few more despicable things such as pediphilia (marry a 6 year old), ‘tongue’ other children, rape the women and children and tell his followers to do those things too.

Yep, that is what you will read about when you read islam’s texts. Do you have any wonder why they don’t want us to read them?!? Or they tell us we don’t understand and need a cleric to understand them? Well, the cleric would just spin the bad/good, etc stuff for us and to have us hopefully become robots like the rest of his followers.

It is all twisted - hate/love, war/peace, etc.
 
I cannot answer for the Pope and what the other clergy do. In fact, I cannot answer for what anyone else does except for myself. And even that can be shakey! 😃

But, it is not on the list of 10 Commandments to question Islam, to know Islam, or to tell others of what Islam is after what I have read about it. It is indeed in the 10 Commandments to not worship false gods and that I what I feel Allah is.

Allah is a mixture of Muhammed, Muhammed’s moon god (from his Hanif religion), Ar-Rahman, and equal to what Hitler continually refers to as ‘Fate’ in his Mein Kampf. Yes, I have expanded my thoughts on Allah since I last posted after doing some more reading on Islam. Muhammed included Biblical scripture but it is distorted from the original and blames us, but then depends on the Bible for Islam.
 
Palm_Tree said:
Whether you are Catholic or not, you are foolish if think you know more about what is going on in this world and more about the Muslim texts than somebody like the Pope, who is responsible for 1 billion Catholics on this planet, has hundreds of advisors, is the chief of state of a country, etc
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I thought a little bit more on your comment and so you think that burying your head in the ‘sand of ignorance’ is the way to go just because one doesn’t have a bunch of guys around me telling me what to think so I won’t have to read and do any research for myself?

That sort of logic would keep everyone from cracking open the books and doing their own research on any subject! To me it sounds like another excuse to not do anything and let others do it. I think it is what my mother used to say, ‘The heights of laziness!’.

:takeoff:
 
Agabriel said:
Here is the ‘Muslim pie chart’ This was deleted previously and ‘peterpendant’ put it back up on youtube. I downloaded it too Here is an excerpt about this video: This is a video from an ex-youtuber called millitaryboot. He had a fantastic channel with some excellently thought out videos and brilliantly referenced arguments. but then he suddenly disappeared along with all his vids. This was one of them which I had favourited, I did a back up just in case somebody flagged it down. its a good job I did because now I can share it with the people who didn’t get to see it first time around.

The video breaks down good/bad/and ‘seemingly’ indifferent Muslims. I call them ‘seemingly’ indifferent because some don’t know that the ones who are ‘seemingly’ indifferent quite often do jihad via the giving of their money and deceiving us about Islam and its goals for all unbelievers in dar al harb (the lands of war which is our infidel lands not under Sharia laws).

Islam’s own texts berates Muslims who do not wage violent jihad.

-Quran’s definition of a good Muslim: a Jihadist leaves his home, sacrificing his wealth and life, fighting in Allah’s cause. Allah says they will be rewarded with stolen booty if they survive or a heavenly bordello if they die.
  • Quran’s definition of a bad Muslim: are peaceful. Allah calls them hypocrites because they are unwilling to fight. It even says that peaceful Muslims are the ‘most vile of creatures’ and that hell’s hottest fires await them.
  • Good Muslims planned, funded, staffed, executed and/or celebrated 9/11. Just like the good Muslims rioted/protested when Hamas was being attacked after they have been lobbing bombs into Israel on a daily basis and even used Muslim children as human shields.
  • More from surah 8, the imams preach: ‘O prophet, urge the faithful to fight…’ And this is the math of terror. It is possible because infidels are ignorant of Islam.
  • surah 5, infidels are defined. ‘They are surely Infidels who say Christ, the Messiah is God.’ (5:72)
  • surah 4, allah recruits suicide bombers: ‘Those who barter their life in this world for the next should fight in the way of Allah; whether he is killed or victorious, a glorious reward awaits.’ ‘Urge the believers to fight to keep back the might of the Infidels.’ ‘Seize them and kill them wherever they are.’
  • more on peaceful muslims in surah 4 - ‘Muslims who sit idle are not equal to those who fight in Allah’s cause with their wealth and lives, Allah has exalted those who fight for Islam.’
Islamic Sira: Ishaq:587 ‘Our onslaught will not be a weak flattering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight no caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is
established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.’
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thanks…

wish i had been able to tell people this before our election. BHO is sympathetic to Muslims, it seems… he favored(favors) the Communist contender for ruler in kenya… and/or the Muslim… (can’t recall details on this… but it seems there was one of each wanting to take the Christian ruler’s place…) and BHO seemed to rather have one of them than the guy in power (assuming he is still in power? The book was few yrs old)

anyway… why Americans even took a long-shot chance on voting for a guy with a muslim-sounding name is FAR beyond me… tends to prove a point i made once here @ CAF… that most americans, i feel, are not too brihgt… can’t help thinking that… it just irritates the crud out of me that we have this man for presdient… who probably is not even a citizen…

just can’t help thinking it… americans are just not too bright…
 
Booklover said:
Here’s a must see of the Muslim persecution of Christians. Wake up, folks! And the people who do these horrendous acts consider themselves superior to everyone else and the “best of creation”?

Here’s another film, “The Islamic Mein Kampf”.

Vickie
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thanks… 🙂
 
Palm_Tree said:
Vatican Council and Papal Statements on Islam

Paul VI, Ecclesiam Suam 107, August 6, 1964
“Then [we refer] to the adorers of God according to the conception of monotheism,** the Muslim religion especially, deserving of our admiration** for all that is true and good in their worship of God.”

Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium 16, November 21, 1964
“But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,** in the first place among whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,** mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965
…
“The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth (Cf. St. Gregory VII, Letter III, 21 to Anazir [Al-Nasir], King of Mauretania PL, 148.451A.), who has spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own. Although not acknowledging him as God, they venerate Jesus as a prophet, his Virgin Mother they also honor, and even at times devoutly invoke. Further, they await the day of judgment and the reward of God following the resurrection of the dead. For this reason they highly esteem an upright life and worship God, especially by way of prayer, alms-deeds and fasting.

“Over the centuries many quarrels and dissensions have arisen between Christians and Muslims. The sacred Council now pleads with all to forget the past, and urges that a sincere effort be made to achieve mutual understanding; for the benefit of all men, let them together preserve and promote peace, liberty, social justice and moral values.”
…

It also has many, many quotes from John Paul II on Muslims, including his address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985 where he said:
“Christians and Muslims have many things in common…We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection. . . ."

usccb.org/seia/textsislam.shtml
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well… most of this stuff was written long before 911…

some sects of Muslims are peaceful… but there are radicals who do NOT want peace withe “the infidels”… anyone who doesn’t practice THEIR religion…

They are the most intolerant of any group and yet the PC’ers keep pacifying them… keep acting like we have to respect their religion…

yeah, like we have to respect hitler… or stalin…
 
Palm_Tree said:
Yeah, I’m going to stick with the Church. You believe what ever you want.
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The Church apparently hasnt issued any pro-Muslim stuff since 911…

How could a pope possibly be in favor of a religion that espouses suicide killings of just about anybody for “Allah”…

The devil disguises himself as an angel of light…

but you know… there doesn’t seem to be much of disguise here… :rolleyes:
 
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