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Annemariels
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Anyone know approximately what percent of the Mass is straight from the Bible?
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Nessie86
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From what I’ve learned in RCIA so far, the mass basically 100% scriptural! A lot of it comes from the book of Revelation. How the Mass is conducted is part of Sacred Tradition, but each element, from what I’ve learned thus far, is taken from the bible.
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Spots
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The majority of it is quotes from different areas (obviously the readings are 
). Not sure on a percent, but I’d say it’s pretty high up there.
The homily, although based on the readings, is generally not directly from the Bible
). Not sure on a percent, but I’d say it’s pretty high up there.The homily, although based on the readings, is generally not directly from the Bible
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Annemariels
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Seems like I read somewhere - maybe one of Scott Hahn’s books? - what the actual percentage was. Prior to converting, the author (whoever it was) was convinced that Catholicism is not a Bible-based religion. When he did his research, he was shocked that most of the Mass was straight from the Bible - way more than any non-Catholic service he had ever been to.
I want to tell that to my CCD class, but can’t remember the exact percentage, or which apologetic book I read it in. I suppose I don’t have to have exact numbers, but I’d love to find that research again so I can re-read it. Does that book ring a bell with anyone?
I want to tell that to my CCD class, but can’t remember the exact percentage, or which apologetic book I read it in. I suppose I don’t have to have exact numbers, but I’d love to find that research again so I can re-read it. Does that book ring a bell with anyone?
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Br.Rich_SFO
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The Extraordinary Form has more direct quotes from the Bible contained in the prayers and responses. However even the Ordinary Form can be tied almost 100% to the Scriptures, maybe not direct quotes.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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The Sign of the Cross Mt 28:19
The Priest kisses the altar ( a sign of Christ) Mt 26:49
The Lord be with you -. 2 Tim 4:22
And also with you .
Glory to God … Lu 2:14
Each part of the Creed can be tied to Scripture.
The Our Father is from the Scripture.
Lamb of God Jn 1:29
The Prayer before Holy Comunion Mt 8:8
There are a few examples.
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graceandglory
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Wouldn’t it be easier to determine what percent ISN’T from the Bible?
I’ll start.
The ANNOUNCEMENTS are not from the Bible.
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graceandglory
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Before converting to Catholicism, I was spending a good deal of time in “Messianic” fellowships. Some of the rituals that we might not recognize are straight from the Old Testament temple worship.
The priest washing his hands before the consecration is one.
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graceandglory
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I like how Scott Hahn says, “there, right between the highlighted verses in my Bible was the Eucharist.”
I looked in my own protie Bible, and sure enough, I had much of John underlined or highlighted, but during twenty years, had sort of missed that part where Jesus’ followers turned away from him because they thought he was preaching cannibalism.
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DixitDominus
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The prayer “In spíritu humilitátis et in ánimo contríto suscipiámur a te, Dómine; et sic fiat sacrifícium nostrum in conspéctu tuo hódie, ut pláceat tibi, Dómine Deus.” found in both forms of the Roman Rite is taken from Daniel 3:39-40
To calculate the exact percentage of the Mass is nearly impossible to calculate. Many parts are direct quotations from Scripture (such as the Sign of the Cross), while others are not (such as the “Domine, non sum dignus”) though they clearly quote it, though changing the words slightly. In addition, there are parts of the Mass such as the “Supra quae” in the Canon which references Melchisedech and Abraham, but should the reference to those scriptural persons be considered? In addition, phrases like “Agnus Dei” are clearly taken from Scripture, however, they are used so frequently that I would personally consider them a normal title of the Church for Christ, like “Lord”. But in any case, the fact is, that both forms of the Roman Rite are saturated in Scripture.
To calculate the exact percentage of the Mass is nearly impossible to calculate. Many parts are direct quotations from Scripture (such as the Sign of the Cross), while others are not (such as the “Domine, non sum dignus”) though they clearly quote it, though changing the words slightly. In addition, there are parts of the Mass such as the “Supra quae” in the Canon which references Melchisedech and Abraham, but should the reference to those scriptural persons be considered? In addition, phrases like “Agnus Dei” are clearly taken from Scripture, however, they are used so frequently that I would personally consider them a normal title of the Church for Christ, like “Lord”. But in any case, the fact is, that both forms of the Roman Rite are saturated in Scripture.
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Br.Rich_SFO
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But what about the announcement about the Adult Bible Study?Wouldn’t it be easier to determine what percent ISN’T from the Bible?
I’ll start.
The ANNOUNCEMENTS are not from the Bible.
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graceandglory
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Sorry to quote again from Scott Hahn, (he just says it better than me)
He said at his first Mass, when the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) began,
“Now,” he said, “I knew immediately where I was. I was in the Book of Revelation, where Jesus is called the Lamb 28 times. I was at the marriage feast which John describes at the end of that very last book of the Bible. I was before the throne of heaven where Jesus is hailed forever as the Lamb—I wasn’t ready for this, though; I was at Mass.”
(I just googled for this quote by him…turns out, today’s his birthday. Happy Birthday, Scott!)
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puzzleannie
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all of it.
for a detailed explanation, the best short book on the topic is by Fr. Peter Stravinskas, the Catholic Church and the Bible. It incorporates his earlier pamphlet on your topic.
here links to this one, and another good new book, which I have not yet read, but sounds good
http://catalog.osv.com/Catalog.aspx?SimpleDisplay=true&ProductCode=T435
New Title, the Biblical Basis for the Eucharist
http://www.getfed.com/catholic-product/975/Catholic-Church-Bible/
The Catholic Church and the Bible
as for what is NOT biblical, my vote will go for any additions, changes and accretions introduced by a priest (or “pastoral administrator”) with an agenda
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EasterJoy
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The better question is how much of the Bible is from the Mass. The Mass existed before any of the New Testament was set to paper. The New Testament is a product of the Mass, not the other way around.
Or, as the Church puts it: The Mass is the source and summit of the Christian life. From the sacramental life, instituted by Christ himself, came the Church, and from the Church, guided by the inerrant inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the New Testament. Also written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, only from that full sacramental life do the Hebrew Scriptures come into their full meaning. You cannot fully understand the Bible, outside of the life given by the sacraments.
Or, as the Church puts it: The Mass is the source and summit of the Christian life. From the sacramental life, instituted by Christ himself, came the Church, and from the Church, guided by the inerrant inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the New Testament. Also written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, only from that full sacramental life do the Hebrew Scriptures come into their full meaning. You cannot fully understand the Bible, outside of the life given by the sacraments.
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fellowChristian
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****Introductory Rite
V: In the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit Matt. 28:19
R: Amen. Chron. 16:36
V: The grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you. 2 Cor. 13:13
R: Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Pet. 1:3
or: The Lord be with you! Ruth 2:4
Penitential Rite
I confess to Almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault.** Jas. 5:16**
In my thoughts and in my words, Rom.12:16, Jas. 3:6
In what I have done, and in what I have failed to do; Jas. 4:17
and I ask Blessed Mary, ever virgin , all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God. Thess. 5:25
May Almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life.
1 John 1:9
Amen.
Or Lord have mercy Tobit 8:4
Christ have mercy. 1 Tim. 1:2
Lord, we have sinned against you. Ps. 51:6
Lord, show us your mercy and love.** Dan. 3:42**
And grant us your salvation. Ps. 85:8
Gloria
Glory to God in the highest, and peace to His people on earth. Lk. 2:14
Lord God, heavenly King, Almighty God and Father,** Rev. 19:6**
we worship you, Rev. 22:19
we give you thanks, Eph. 5:20
we praise you for your Glory. Rev. 7:12
Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father, John 1:14
Lord God, Lamb of God, you take away the sin of the world: have mercy on us; John 1:29
you are seated at the right hand of the Father, receive our prayer. Rom. 8:34
For the whole pamphlet
pjpiisoe.org/pamphlets/274US.pdf
V: In the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit Matt. 28:19
R: Amen. Chron. 16:36
V: The grace of Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with all of you. 2 Cor. 13:13
R: Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Pet. 1:3
or: The Lord be with you! Ruth 2:4
Penitential Rite
I confess to Almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have sinned through my own fault.** Jas. 5:16**
In my thoughts and in my words, Rom.12:16, Jas. 3:6
In what I have done, and in what I have failed to do; Jas. 4:17
and I ask Blessed Mary, ever virgin , all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God. Thess. 5:25
May Almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life.
1 John 1:9
Amen.
Or Lord have mercy Tobit 8:4
Christ have mercy. 1 Tim. 1:2
Lord, we have sinned against you. Ps. 51:6
Lord, show us your mercy and love.** Dan. 3:42**
And grant us your salvation. Ps. 85:8
Gloria
Glory to God in the highest, and peace to His people on earth. Lk. 2:14
Lord God, heavenly King, Almighty God and Father,** Rev. 19:6**
we worship you, Rev. 22:19
we give you thanks, Eph. 5:20
we praise you for your Glory. Rev. 7:12
Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father, John 1:14
Lord God, Lamb of God, you take away the sin of the world: have mercy on us; John 1:29
you are seated at the right hand of the Father, receive our prayer. Rom. 8:34
For the whole pamphlet
pjpiisoe.org/pamphlets/274US.pdf
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fellowChristian
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ooh and don’t forget
you can also find
priests
Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.
deacons
1 Timothy 3:8
**Deacons **likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,
Tabernacle
Exodus 25:9
" According to all that I am going to show you, as the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all its furniture, just so you shall construct it.
**
incense**
Exodus 25:6
oil for lighting, spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense,
altars
Genesis 8:20
Then Noah built an **altar **to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Christ crucified
1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
**
holy water**
Numbers 5:17
and the priest shall take **holy water **in an earthenware vessel; and he shall take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water.
and
Jesus
John 6:53
53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the** flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood**, you have no life in yourselves.
Matthew 28:20
20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, **I am with you always, even to the end of the age." **
in both the Mass and in the Bible.
You can even find the Bible in the Mass, but you can’t find the Bible in the Bible.
you can also find
priests
Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.
deacons
1 Timothy 3:8
**Deacons **likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,
Tabernacle
Exodus 25:9
" According to all that I am going to show you, as the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all its furniture, just so you shall construct it.
**
incense**
Exodus 25:6
oil for lighting, spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense,
altars
Genesis 8:20
Then Noah built an **altar **to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Christ crucified
1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
**
holy water**
Numbers 5:17
and the priest shall take **holy water **in an earthenware vessel; and he shall take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water.
and
Jesus
John 6:53
53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the** flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood**, you have no life in yourselves.
Matthew 28:20
20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, **I am with you always, even to the end of the age." **
in both the Mass and in the Bible.
You can even find the Bible in the Mass, but you can’t find the Bible in the Bible.
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franklinf
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Calvary and the Mass, by Archbishop Fulton Sheen. It focuses on the different parts of the Mass and connects them with Jesus’ last words on the Cross.
catholicprimer.org/sheen/…lvary_mass.pdf
catholicprimer.org/sheen/…lvary_mass.pdf
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kage_ar
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PatienceAndLove
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You are my new favorite posterooh and don’t forget
you can also find
priests
Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High.
deacons
1 Timothy 3:8
**Deacons **likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,
Tabernacle
Exodus 25:9
" According to all that I am going to show you, as the pattern of the tabernacle and the pattern of all its furniture, just so you shall construct it.
**
incense**
Exodus 25:6
oil for lighting, spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense,
altars
Genesis 8:20
Then Noah built an **altar **to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
Christ crucified
1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
**
holy water**
Numbers 5:17
and the priest shall take **holy water **in an earthenware vessel; and he shall take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water.
and
Jesus
John 6:53
53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the** flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood**, you have no life in yourselves.
Matthew 28:20
20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, **I am with you always, even to the end of the age." **
in both the Mass and in the Bible.
You can even find the Bible in the Mass, but you can’t find the Bible in the Bible.
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PatienceAndLove
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And this my new favorite thread (well, ok- tied with the Makeup Vortex and Cloth Diapering).
When I drag my Protestant ILs to Mass with me, I will have to have a copy of that pamphlet for them.
Additionally, it will be Anglican Rite, so we’ll have even more of the Smells and Bells!!!
When I drag my Protestant ILs to Mass with me, I will have to have a copy of that pamphlet for them.
Additionally, it will be Anglican Rite, so we’ll have even more of the Smells and Bells!!!
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