What Providence kept out of World Youth Day

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As Rorate Caeli reports, however:
after a few days of unusually strong winter rain in Rio, the “Campus Fidei” bizarre altar-stage-area prepared in the Guaratiba neighborhood has become a muddy, flooded, affair - and, after millions spent, it will not be used.
Only the much more regular-looking stage on Copacabana beach (below), used for the other World Youth Day events, will be used for both the papal vigil and the papal mass.
Why were two huge stages in two different parts of the city necessary anyway?
…Deo gratias :crossrc:
 
KRYPTON! Those gold things look like Satanic horns or something.
 
So now, when people ask us why God allowed it to rain over His celebration, rather than making it sunny and perfect, we can just point to that XD
 
I am from Rio and I know the area. I really think it was God’s providence that sent all the rain that flooded the area where this huge stage was being built. Not so much because of the looks of it (despite the strange devil horns), but because this area, Guaratiba, is so, so very far away from the city, and soo incovenient to get to, that instead of the 3 million and a half we got on the Copacabana beach, we would have probably gotten 500 thousand attendees only, maybe less. This seems to have been pure divine providence, and it sent a message to the political class in Brazil, that people actually still care about religion after all.
I am just sad because I decided to stay here in the US and not fly to Rio when they announced months ago that the event would be at this far away Guaratiba place. Unlucky me, I stayed home, than they changed their plans and I missed it all. My mom and all the old folk that live around Copacabana, had a chance to participate with the young, and that was great. This would have been impossible in Guaratiba. Also, because of the change, thousands of youth from surrounding states just decided to come down for a day or too (and spent the night on the beach), and all this contributed to the huge crowd on the Copacabana, which is easily acesible by bus, subway, by bike or on foot.
Guaratiba? Really? What were they thinking?
 
It immediately reminded me of the scene of Superman’s lair in Antarctica.

Do the two golden arches and the uneven pillars behind the platform represent something? It just looks like random non-symbolic modern architecture. Personal tastes can vary from person to person, but isn’t religious architecture suppose to be designed in a way that helps focus the mind on God?
 
It immediately reminded me of the scene of Superman’s lair in Antarctica.

Do the two golden arches and the uneven pillars behind the platform represent something? It just looks like random non-symbolic modern architecture. Personal tastes can vary from person to person, but isn’t religious architecture suppose to be designed in a way that helps focus the mind on God?
Yeah, probably.
 
and, after millions spent, it will not be used.
I am not sure “thank God” is the appropriate response.

Millions spent? Wasted?

Thank God??
 
I am not sure “thank God” is the appropriate response.

Millions spent? Wasted?

Thank God??
The millions were spent and wasted. No going back.

At this point, only two possible outcomes in the set:
  • celebrating Mass there
  • not celebrating Mass there due to unexpected flooding
I give thanks that Divine Providence disposed for the second one to take place.

As for the money wasted, this hopefully will bring scolding on whoever came up with that bright idea (as you heard, not only the artwork is a punch in the eye - subjective opinion - but also the place is not the best location - objective statement).

Then again, not all of us are equally sensible as to the proper setting in which the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is to take place.
 
The millions were spent and wasted. No going back.

At this point, only two possible outcomes in the set:
  • celebrating Mass there
  • not celebrating Mass there due to unexpected flooding
I give thanks that Divine Providence disposed for the second one to take place.

As for the money wasted, this hopefully will bring scolding on whoever came up with that bright idea (as you heard, not only the artwork is a punch in the eye - subjective opinion - but also the place is not the best location - objective statement).

Then again, not all of us are equally sensible as to the proper setting in which the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is to take place.
They should make it some sort of outdoor theatre.
 
We have to be gentle folks. As St. Augustine tells us, we must always look for the good. I’m glad that the event took place in a more centrally located part of the city. I have never been to Rio, so the name of the original site said nothing to me. But if it was the case that it’s so far and difficult to reach, it was not a practical choice to begin.

As to the design, that’s where I say practice gentleness in your critiques. Remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and very often traveled by whiners and critics.

I remember all the negative criticism that people posted when they saw the original design for the stage in London for the beatification of Bl. John Newman. When I saw the drawing, I thought it looked a little Treki too. However, when I arrived there and saw it, it was beautiful. It was not St. Paul’s cathedral, but it was not meant to be that. It was a modern structure.

However, it was functional, comfortable and aesthetically pleasing. The sketches don’t always do these things justice. My thinking is that the background is missing in the sketch. Colors are not well represented and you make changes as you build the thing. The sketch is not always the final product.

Euthanasia is a grave sin. 🙂 We have to be careful not to condemn something to death before its time. :yup:

I saw a view of the Rio cathedral as the helicopters flew over it. My reaction was not positive. The brothers who went and are still there, tell me that inside, it is stunning. From the air, it’s not a positive stunning. I have no idea how it looks from the ground. I’ve only seen pictures. I’d have to see it live.

The point is, like Augustine, look for the good and be slow to find the bad.
 
Honestly, when I look at this structure this is what I see.
I see a soft yet strong blue light that seems to quietly but unmistakably hovering around the whole structure, this remind me of our Blessed Mother Mary, with a ray of gold light leading along a path that takes one through the blue light, through the golden gate or arch and leads one strait to the cross. This is Jesus Christ leading us and showing us the way to the Cross so that we can share in His sacrificial act. This golden light takes one through the golden gate or arch and blue light which to me all symbolizes how we need to follow Him to the cross through the Blessed Virgin Mother of God. then as we follow this path He transforms us into the New Jerusalem. As Pope Francis put it. into the livings stones of those walls that are represented by the city like walls that seem to be under construction and in the process of being built around the white circle disk behind the cross. The walls are white. Symbolizing new. And the whole structure is on a white disk shaped circle with the Sacrificial Alter is at it’s center? It is symbolic of the Host, Jesus, Whom we receive in the Holy Eucharist, and Who is the one, the Cornerstone that the New Jerusalem is built upon and Who sustains and nourishes us all.

Ok, I think that is a start… I hope it made some sense…I do not know if this was the artists intentions behind the structure…just what I see when I look at it. And if you add people coming up the golden light to receive Jesus I believe it competes, or at least helps to complete, the picture of what I am seeing. In some way I believe it might be described as the Mystical Kingdom of God under construction…
I could go on but will leave it at that for now…

Just editing to add that toward the center where the blue light is there seems to be like Angels wings hovering around the Alter…

P.S. For my own personal reasons, that have nothing to do with this structure, I do believe that it still was providential that everything was held at the beach.
 
The first drawing is horrible. If someone had shown me that, I would not have liked it. But as I said above, from the drawing board to reality is a long stretch. I’ve learned that from experience. That’s why I’m slow to respond to these sketches.

When I saw the actual stage on TV, my first thought was, “Good gravy, I’m glad I’m not the pope. If I had to climb from the bottom to the top, my heart would fail me halfway up.”

I didn’t know that he was not going to process up the steps. Other popes usually do. Instead, the design is very clever. There is a ramp and his little car drove up to the top. The vestry is to the side. The pope and deacons processed in from the side.

Then it hit me. The pope has some kind of problem with his legs. I can’t remember what it is, but it explains why he walks like a duck. No disrespect intended Lord. :gopray2:
 
Honestly, when I look at this structure this is what I see.
I see a soft yet strong blue light that seems to quietly but unmistakably hovering around the whole structure, this remind me of our Blessed Mother Mary, with a ray of gold light leading along a path that takes one through the blue light, through the golden gate or arch and leads one strait to the cross. This is Jesus Christ leading us and showing us the way to the Cross so that we can share in His sacrificial act. This golden light takes one through the golden gate or arch and blue light which to me all symbolizes how we need to follow Him to the cross through the Blessed Virgin Mother of God. then as we follow this path He transforms us into the New Jerusalem. As Pope Francis put it. into the livings stones of those walls that are represented by the city like walls that seem to be under construction and in the process of being built around the white circle disk behind the cross. The walls are white. Symbolizing new. And the whole structure is on a white disk shaped circle with the Sacrificial Alter is at it’s center? It is symbolic of the Host, Jesus, Whom we receive in the Holy Eucharist, and Who is the one, the Cornerstone that the New Jerusalem is built upon and Who sustains and nourishes us all.

Ok, I think that is a start… I hope it made some sense…I do not know if this was the artists intentions behind the structure…just what I see when I look at it. And if you add people coming up the golden light to receive Jesus I believe it competes, or at least helps to complete, the picture of what I am seeing. In some way I believe it might be described as the Mystical Kingdom of God under construction…
I could go on but will leave it at that for now…

Just editing to add that toward the center where the blue light is there seems to be like Angels wings hovering around the Alter…

P.S. For my own personal reasons, that have nothing to do with this structure, I do believe that it still was providential that everything was held at the beach.
This is the most beautiful interpretation that I saw 👍 And a proof that if one has a honest heart and an unprejudiced mind, there’s no need to find stupidity, ugliness and things worth of mockery in everything. I didn’t think that others would see devilish horns there; probably they still believe that the devil has actual horns, tail and cloven hooves.

Here’s how the architect thought it:
rio2013.com/en/news/details/2540/construction-on-the-main-events-structures-begins

I recognized immediately the style of some Brazilian Catholic churches (which I like) and I understand their wish to imagine something distinct from the colonial architecture and, at the same time, something reminiscent of a cathedral with pillars and arches. Yes, perhaps they have overspent and the location was wrong, but there’s no need to blame the architect.

And I liked what they built on the Copacabana beach.
 
This is the most beautiful interpretation that I saw 👍 And a proof that if one has a honest heart and an unprejudiced mind, there’s no need to find stupidity, ugliness and things worth of mockery in everything. I didn’t think that others would see devilish horns there; probably they still believe that the devil has actual horns, tail and cloven hooves.

Here’s how the architect thought it:
rio2013.com/en/news/details/2540/construction-on-the-main-events-structures-begins

I recognized immediately the style of some Brazilian Catholic churches (which I like) and I understand their wish to imagine something distinct from the colonial architecture and, at the same time, something reminiscent of a cathedral with pillars and arches. Yes, perhaps they have overspent and the location was wrong, but there’s no need to blame the architect.

And I liked what they built on the Copacabana beach.
Hi Vames, those were very kind words from you. I have been kind of worried a bit since having posted what I saw in this structure so thank you for sharing. The reason is because I have heard it said on more than one occasion that people do not see ugly for ugly anymore. As always words like this disturb my peace. The reason it disturbed me is because a saw a lot of beauty in WYD and in that structure that others say is ugly. So it has gotten me wondering if I am one of those people seeing things that are really ugly and thinking they are beautiful. It is like I believe I can find God’s beauty and love in things that others see only ugliness and it has gotten me wondering how do I know if it really is beautiful and not ugly?
Makes me wonder who does get to decide what is and is not beautiful?
When I first saw this structure I saw so much beauty in it and just wanted to share. I am happy to read you thought what I wrote was beautiful too…what I thought was most beautiful was that it raised my thoughts up to God and Heaven. Jesus and His Mother Mary…so I thank God for this artist. I truly do believe the artist caught something more than just the architecture of the Gothic Churches.
Ok enough rambling…
Thank you for sharing the link. I should have known and recognized the organ pipes. I like the folded hands for the arch. Now I envision them as being Our Blessed Mother Mary’s and Jesus’ hands praying for us. 🙂
I don’t really know much about what one style or type of art is called compared to another. It must help when seeing art and being able to see this elements and roots in it. Thank you for sharing that.
 
(…) Those gold things look like Satanic horns or something.
I know someone who saw fleur-de-lis in a Catholic church but what they saw were goat heads. This person is (was?) Catholic. Even if she didn’t know what it was called or any of the things it symbolized (Mary for one, the parish has a Marian name) one would think a person would encounter it enough and know that the world is just not that into goats.

Some people do have a bit of trouble interpreting certain kinds of art or seeing beauty in things that just aren’t their taste.
 
Not sure what people’s problem is, I think it looks gorgeous. 🤷
 
The arches remind me of pictures I have seen of Angels facing each other, with their sings arching over the Christ Child.

Silly me for not seeing devils’ horns.

Then again, given some of the extremely negative (I am trying to be polite) comments by non-attendees of WYD, one should not be surprised that “devils horns” as a concept is making its way around.

Occasionally I am reminded of an old phrase: “Better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and be proved as one”.
 
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