What should be done to stop abortion?

[elts1956]

This would be the single most positive thing that could be done.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

And I think we “self professed” Catholics should begin sticking together regarding which candidate is the best. There is a third party that essentially supports everything we do, anti-abortion, the immigration laws that are on the books and many more. However this party gets no recognition from large groups, such as Catholics, because I think we have been brain washed to think we have only two partys available.

 

[Al_Masetti]

And I think we “self professed” Catholics should begin sticking together regarding which candidate is the best. There is a third party that essentially supports everything we do, anti-abortion, the immigration laws that are on the books and many more. However this party gets no recognition from large groups, such as Catholics, because I think we have been brain washed to think we have only two partys available.

In the U.S. system, minority parties have no effect except as a distraction.

It’s important for pro-life voters to be as shrewd as foxes.

Other wise, the pro-abortion wolves will continue to run things.

The pro-abortion folks have been very good at dividing and distracting the pro-life people because the pro-abortion people will do and say whatever it takes to retain power.

One of the talk show people was questioning the pro-abortion motives. He was saying that now, it is common for an aborted baby to survive. But the living baby is not treated like a living, viable, breathing person.

So he questions their commitment to anything … except to death. The right to kill anyone who is inconvenient to them.

Pure Nazi-ism.

I continue to refer folks to Roy Schoeman’s outstanding book, “Salvation Is From The Jews”. (Ignatius Press). Schoeman goes into tremendous detail on the ideological foundations of Nazism. Organized and orchestrated “neo-paganism”. All of his Chapter 6 … more than 70 pages of detail after detail, quote after quote.

If pro-life people want to stop this pro-death march, we need to not get distracted and not get diverted.

 

[elts1956]

In the U.S. system, minority parties have no effect except as a distraction.

It’s important for pro-life voters to be as shrewd as foxes.

Other wise, the pro-abortion wolves will continue to run things.

The pro-abortion folks have been very good at dividing and distracting the pro-life people because the pro-abortion people will do and say whatever it takes to retain power.

One of the talk show people was questioning the pro-abortion motives. He was saying that now, it is common for an aborted baby to survive. But the living baby is not treated like a living, viable, breathing person.

So he questions their commitment to anything … except to death. The right to kill anyone who is inconvenient to them.

Pure Nazi-ism.

I continue to refer folks to Roy Schoeman’s outstanding book, “Salvation Is From The Jews”. (Ignatius Press). Schoeman goes into tremendous detail on the ideological foundations of Nazism. Organized and orchestrated “neo-paganism”. All of his Chapter 6 … more than 70 pages of detail after detail, quote after quote.

If pro-life people want to stop this pro-death march, we need to not get distracted and not get diverted.

How many Pro-life people, including Catholics, are in the U.S.? I have no idea. What I am saying is if we would stick together in our vote for a Presidential candidate, perhaps we could make both parties sit up and take notice. Perhaps our votes would result in a change, if not this election, then the next one. As of now we are running around in circles getting nothing done. Now, at this time, they think they have the upper hand and we are just stalks in the wind.

 

[Al_Masetti]

How many Pro-life people, including Catholics, are in the U.S.? I have no idea. What I am saying is if we would stick together in our vote for a Presidential candidate, perhaps we could make both parties sit up and take notice. Perhaps our votes would result in a change, if not this election, then the next one. As of now we are running around in circles getting nothing done. Now, at this time, they think they have the upper hand and we are just stalks in the wind.

I also wonder how many Catholics are actually pro-life.

But the actual experience with third party candidates has been unrewarding and extremely disappointing. Hope is for buying lottery tickets. And the odds of winning the lottery are at best a billion to one.

Our actual experience in previous elections has been just the opposite.

Third parties have in every case (except maybe the Bull Moose Party a hundred years ago) served only to pull votes away from a major candidate. In the case of Ross Perot, for example, he pulled votes away from George H.W. Bush. and after Bill Clinton got elected, was overheard via an open microphone to say at the Clinton inauguration party: “We got the man we wanted”.

Third parties have not had the result of getting the major parties to sit up and take notice.

That is the actual experience.

That may happen in coalition parliamentary systems in Europe, but that doesn’t happen in the United States. It’s just not the way the election system works in the U.S.

And for the pro-life cause, and because there are as many as five Supreme Court seats up for grabs, it is absolutely essential to work within the actual U.S. system to assure that the Conservatives/ Republicans win an overwhelming majority in the Senate so that pro-life justices not only get nominated but also get Senate confirmation.

The reality may be unpleasant, but that is the reality. Based, not on hope, but on actual experience.

 

[maggiemay2u]

How many Pro-life people, including Catholics, are in the U.S.? I have no idea. What I am saying is if we would stick together in our vote for a Presidential candidate, perhaps we could make both parties sit up and take notice. Perhaps our votes would result in a change, if not this election, then the next one. As of now we are running around in circles getting nothing done. Now, at this time, they think they have the upper hand and we are just stalks in the wind.

And while we wait for the other parties to “sit up and take notice” how many pro-abortion judges will be appointed? Not just Supremes, but how 'bout those gazillion appellate and district court judge vancanies that the current pro-life president can’t get through the current liberal congress?

You want 3rd party candidates? Fine. Start small, with increasing numbers being elected locally, then go after HofR seats, senate, and when the numbers are viable, the presidency.

I learned a long time ago to take small bites of the apple, the result will be the same as trying to swallow it whole, with a much better chance for success.

 

[Sepharad]

One tactic I am especially fond of (and which works) is to make it as hard as possible for abortion mills to even operate anywhere. Do what you can to find out when they are being zoned, and get citizens together to shut them down before they even start.

Basically, abortion would be legal, but try getting one!

As far as voting pro-life, I am totally disgusted and fed up with the “Catholics” in my city…except for the few who regularly picket at the local abortion mill, I can’t trust any of them to vote PL on the abortion issue…all they care about is playing the yellow dog Democrat role. The born agains and Orthodox Jews here are more likely to vote conservative and Republican than the Catholics!

 

[Ronald_E]

Our faith did not spread through politics. As Catholics we must actively create in every community a healthcare center for women at no charge. We must also create residential living arrangements to make is safe and secure for women to have their children and provide childcare in order for them to get an education or be able to work.
We must give up our excess funds and put our money to build something that nobody could ignore. Political action only creates enemies. We must show those who oppose us that we will not fight them but will help those who need help.
We must be willing to give up more for others and suffer some discomfort in our own pocketbook

 

[Al_Masetti]

And while we wait for the other parties to “sit up and take notice” how many pro-abortion judges will be appointed? Not just Supremes, but how 'bout those gazillion appellate and district court judge vancanies that the current pro-life president can’t get through the current liberal congress?

You want 3rd party candidates? Fine. Start small, with increasing numbers being elected locally, then go after HofR seats, senate, and when the numbers are viable, the presidency.

I learned a long time ago to take small bites of the apple, the result will be the same as trying to swallow it whole, with a much better chance for success.

That’s a good strategy, but in the meanwhile, the Libs and other pro-abortion people will wrap up the whole Congress and the White House and eliminate talk radio and get people not now eligible to vote to vote Democrat. Already they have used RICO against pro-lifers. Picketing abortion mills is against the law, now. And there are laws against “hate speech”, which can be very broadly interpreted. Christian religious practices are gradually being forced to being practiced only in the home. While secular and “other” religious practices are being publicly supported. Inroads are being made to abolish home schooling.

While we are busily planning on taking small bites, they will swallow the entire apple in November 2008. And not leaving anything for the pro-life folks.

Remember this: conservatives believe that liberals are misguided. HOWEVER, liberals believe that conservatives are EVIL … and must be eliminated.

confirmthem.com/

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

While we are busily planning on taking small bites, they will swallow the entire apple in November 2008. And not leaving anything for the pro-life folks.

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The answer is prayer. Pray like you have never prayed before and then pray some more. Encourage others to do the same. Prayers do work.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

 

[Al_Masetti]

The answer is prayer. Pray like you have never prayed before and then pray some more. Encourage others to do the same. Prayers do work.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B

Pray … ABSOLUTELY!!

But we must also put the word out to vote. Even if some folks have to hold their noses.

Remember the battle of Lepanto … lots of prayers. But the Christian fleet unified for the first time and defeated the Turkish fleet. Without appropriate action, the Turks would have invaded and kept Italy.

There was a great deal of Divine Intervention … in timing … in sudden wind changes.

But without those tens of thousands of men fighting, the prayers would have accomplished nothing.

God works through people.

If you have This Rock Magazine … the July/August 2008 issue … page 12 and following … August 14, 1480 … at the battle of Otranto in southern Italy … 800 of the city’s male inhabitants were taken to a place called the Hill of Minerva and beheaded.

They died because they refused to surrender their city. They died because they refused to convert to Islam.

But their deaths saved Italy.

Their resistance delayed the Turkish invasion until the Christian soldiers could rally.

There was a lot of fighting and a lot of dying.

Read the article.

In the current election we are not called upon to fight with weapons, but we do need to simply vote for the pro-life Republicans and get our brother and sister Christians to also vote for the pro-life Republicans.

That’s what it will take for victory.

Praying AND voting.

God isn’t going to have the pro-abortionists vote on Wednesday, while the pro-lifers vote on Tuesday.

The pro-abortion forces take politics VERY seriously. They fight to win.

If the Christian and allied pro-lifers don’t fight to win, then we will lose.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I spent so much time looking for and re-reading that article about the Battle of Otranto, that I got timed out … but here is what my edited previous post was supposed to look like:

Pray … ABSOLUTELY!!

But we must also put the word out to vote. Even if some folks have to hold their noses.

Remember the battle of Lepanto … lots of prayers. But the Christian fleet unified for the first time and defeated the Turkish fleet. Without appropriate action, the Turks would have invaded and kept Italy.

There was a great deal of Divine Intervention … in timing … in sudden wind changes.

But without those tens of thousands of men fighting, the prayers would have accomplished nothing.

God works through people.

If you have This Rock Magazine … the July/August 2008 issue … page 12 and following … August 14, 1480 … at the battle of Otranto in southern Italy … 800 of the city’s male inhabitants were taken to a place called the Hill of Minerva and beheaded.

They died because they refused to surrender their city. They died because they refused to convert to Islam.

But their deaths saved Italy.

Their fierce fighting and resistance delayed the Turkish invasion until the Christian soldiers could rally.

There was a lot of fighting and a lot of dying.

Read the article.

In the current election we are not called upon to fight with weapons, but we do need to simply vote for the pro-life Republicans and get our brother and sister Christians to also vote for the pro-life Republicans.

That’s what it will take for victory.

Praying AND voting.

God isn’t going to have the pro-abortionists vote on Wednesday, while the pro-lifers vote on Tuesday.

The pro-abortion forces take politics VERY seriously. They fight to win.

If the Christian and allied pro-lifers don’t fight to win, then we will lose.

I don’t know where the idea came from … that winning is bad. Militarily, the United States pulled its punches in Korea and in Vietnam … because somehow the notion that winning is “poor sportsmanship” or some darned thing.

Winning is good.

Coming in second in a field of two is bad.

When you lose, the enemy takes everything including your freedom and your life.

Just look at what enormous strides the Liberals have already made … read my previous post for a partial list of what pro-lifers have already lost. And if we lose in November, the details of our losses will be catastrophic.

And all we need to do to lose is to sit out the election or throw away our votes at some third party.

Go back and read about the Battle of Otranto. Those brave soldiers did more than just pray. They fought and they died.

We have to do more than just pray.

In this case, all we need to do is to vote.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I would like to share something with all of you, just so you will all know the nature and mindset of the enemy.

“They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn’t want to have an abortion.”
Dr. Randall, abortion physician

“Sonography in connection with induced abortion may have psychological hazards. Seeing a blown-up, moving image of the embryo she is carrying can be distressing to a woman who is about to undergo an abortion, Dr. Sally Faith Dorfman noted. She stressed that the screen should be turned away from the patient.” --“Obstetrics and Gynecology News” editorial February 15-28, 1986

“Every woman has these same two questions: First, “Is it a baby?” “No” the counselor assures her. “It is a product of conception (or a blood clot, or a piece of tissue). . .How many women would have an abortion, if they told them the truth?”
–Carol Everett, former owner of two clinics and director of four “A Walk Through an Abortion Clinic” by Carol Everett ALL About Issues magazine Aug-Sept 1991, p 117

“If a woman we were counseling expressed doubts about having an abortion, we would say whatever was necessary to persuade her to abort immediately.”
–Judy W., former office manager of the second largest abortion clinic in El Paso, Texas

"We tried to avoid the women seeing them [the fetuses] They always wanted to know the sex, but we lied and said it was too early to tell. It’s better for the women to think of the fetus as an ‘it’.
–Abortion clinic worker Norma Eidelman quoted in Rachel Weeping p 34

“The counselor at our clinic would cry with the girls at the drop of a hat. She would find their weakness and work on it. The women were never given any alternatives. They were told how much trouble it is to have a baby.”
–former abortion worker Debra Harry, quoted in the film “Meet the Abortion Providers” 1989

“When discussing the sonogram, you are supposed to tell the client that it is a measurement as far as the pregnancy is concerned, but not a measure of the fetal head or anything like that.”
–Rosemary Petruso, on her training to be an abortion counselor. Her story appeared in the St.
Louis Review and was also quoted in “Women Exploited: The Other Victims of Abortion” Paula
Ervin, editor. Huntington: Our Sunday Visitor, 1985

“Sometimes we lied. A girl might ask what her baby was like at a certain point in the pregnancy: Was it a baby yet? Even as early as 12 weeks a baby is totally formed, he has fingerprints, turns his head, fans his toes, feels pain. But we would say ‘It’s not a baby yet. It’s just tissue, like a clot.’”
–Kathy Sparks told in “The Conversion of Kathy Sparks” by Gloria Williamson, Christian Herald Jan 1986 p 28

“I have seen hundreds of patients in my office who have had abortions and were just lied to by the abortion counselor. Namely ‘This is less painful than having a tooth removed. It is not a baby.’ Afterwards, the woman sees Life magazine and breaks down and goes into a major depression.”
–Psychologist Vincent Rue quoted in “Abortion Inc” David Kupelian and Jo Ann Gasper, New Dimensions, October 1991 p 16

 

[neat62]

rwillenborg;3902782]

I drive by a Planned Parenthood and often see people praying the rosary outside. Does that actually work? Do women not get abortions because of that?

I’ve been thinking lately that I really would like to get involved with pro-life work, but I wonder if the methods they are using are even making a difference and I would like for what I do to have an impact.

The methods work, but only on a small scale. There is no will to use the methods that would make a larger impact, legally and such. This notion of “being there” for people, being tolerant and understanding will have no significant impact, but that is the only thing that pro lifers have the stomach for, so we are limited to that. And actually, abortion is pretty much accepted as the norm and the longer we wait, the more impossible the battle becomes.

We adhere to laws that were created to keep us down by the pro death camp. Churches are more concerned with their tax exempt status than to tell Catholics what is right and wrong. We have FACE laws, which were designed to weaken our message. All deliberate and all we respectfully follow. That is our problem. Not all laws are good. Our Fore Fathers told us that but we disregard our own history. Oh well.

But, oh well. I gave up. I’m gunna give myself a heart attack if I keep up the wasteful debate. Pro lifers are too good a people to win this fight against evil. Evil does not wear gloves, but we do. And we will lose.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Have all the Catholic bishops lead the picketing, rosaries and fasting at the abortion mills. And give overwhelming public support to Operation Rescue.

This is diocesan support and public relations efforts for the anti-capital punishment movement, but not much for the anti-abortion movement.

[Yes, they have offices for pro-life … but not overwhelming very public support for anti-abortion efforts.]

**

 

[elts1956]

Have all the Catholic bishops lead the picketing, rosaries and fasting at the abortion mills. And give overwhelming public support to Operation Rescue.

This is diocesan support and public relations efforts for the anti-capital punishment movement, but not much for the anti-abortion movement.

[Yes, they have offices for pro-life … but not overwhelming very public support for anti-abortion efforts.]

**

Amen, amen to this. What has happened to the abortion issue with churches, including the Catholic Church? Yes, we can form our own Right To Life and Brithright committees and thank the Lord for them, truly, but we need big mouths and big support when it comes to facing down the pro-death people.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Personally, I find that saying the Rosary early in the morning works best for me.

It would be tremendously inspiring to everyone if each Catholic Bishop was in his Cathedral every morning before breakfast saying the Rosary before the first Mass of the day. In public. With the doors of the Cathedral open to all to join in.

Followed by fasting, supervised by doctors to avoid medical complications. Most folks cannot fast without getting side effects especially if they have a medical condition.

And people who are working or traveling, etc. need to eat during the day.

What got me started on this was the Summer 2008 newsletter “FrontLines” from Human Life International www.hli.org written by Father Thomas Euteneuer.

In the third paragraph, he writes: “Join with me in the next few months in prayer and fasting that we will see victories for the cause of life in the political arena. Pray and fast – so simple, isn’t it? And since the Church is the single most important spiritual force that can bring change in our political and social realms, let us not forget to pray and fast for a transformation of the leadership of the Church to be adamant defenders of life with our people.”

Father Euteneuer’s words, not mine.

He closes with … “With prayer and fasting, God will bring change, first in our clergy and then in our society.” … “We are united in prayer and in the Lord, even in a political season!”

 

[Ronald_E]

The above question was answered for me September 07 on a morning Rosary Run. Since I returned to our faith Easter of 05 after being away 40 years I began adding the Rosary to my morning runs and it has been a blessing beyond belief. One Rosary Run prompted me to write a letter to Pope Benedict in September of 05 to lead all of us on a pilgrimage to Darfur to care for the women and children. I received an answer in October.
I have continued my Rosary Runs and this past September I was given the thought that Catholics should unite to the suffering of single mothers and unborn children by running across the U.S. from the west coast to D.C. and silently pray the Rosary in a pilgrimage that will also raise money on a national scale to assist those in need.
I was given the idea that we should leave the comfort and security of our homes and jobs for a period of time to show people what the depth of our faith means to us just as when Christ to His disciples to go out a spread His Word with only the clothes on their backs. The question for me is, “Do we have the depth of faith and commitment to make such a sacrifice for those unborn children and their mothers?”
Our Holy Mother has told us to repent and pray the Rosary daily. I have sent this to various Catholic radio hosts and have been dismissed with statements like “I will pray about this.”
I truly believe that we must stop with comfortable demonstrations and rhetoric and instead run across the country and pray the Rosary as an action of faith on a daily basis in a massive movement that cannot be ignored.
I am interested in your responses.
God Bless.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Here is the link to Operation Rescue.

We need to give them more support and more organized support.

operationrescue.org/

 

[Shredderbeam]

rwillenborg:

I drive by a Planned Parenthood and often see people praying the rosary outside. Does that actually work?

Will God come down from Heaven, reach into a pregnant women’s brain, and redirect a few signals, causing her to choose to continue her pregnancy?

I wouldn’t think so. You know, free will and all that.

 

[elts1956]

Will God come down from Heaven, reach into a pregnant women’s brain, and redirect a few signals, causing her to choose to continue her pregnancy?

I wouldn’t think so. You know, free will and all that.

No, God probably wouldn’t personally reach into a woman’s brain (that’s just silly), but prayers have been known to bestow Grace and perhaps that Grace will open a woman’s eyes and let love travel from her brain to her heart. Love is a decision. You know, free will and all that.