What should Catholics think of Sen. Joseph McCarthy?

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I claimed nothing. I did, in fact, tell you that I’m not a Communist. Was about to like your post then read the needlessly aggressive last paragraph. Chill.
 
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I addressed it To All, specifically so that you would not think it was meant for you personally. I have written/said about communism in the past, the response I was referring to is all but inevitable in most settings.

Chill, it was not directed at you. Sorry that was not clear.
 
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I’ve been seeing gay people around since the 70s and they’ve never bothered me from a standpoint of being gay. Some of them weren’t nice people but it had nothing to do with their orientation.
 
I think he was a Catholic “patriot” as well as an American one. I think the worldwide Communist Conspiracy was as evil and in error as the Blessed Mother warned in her appearance at Fatima in 1918.

Mc Carthy gained prominence by stating the obvious. Communists had infiltrated the US Government and were bent on world conquest (and incidentally to rid the world of “the opiate of the people” … belief in God).

The Communists, led at the time by the infamous Josef Stalin, helped start World War II with Hitler … and never really stopped fighting it. By the time Mc Carthy made his public complaint in February of 1950, American collaborators had already helped Stalin steal nuclear bomb secrets that cemented his power … and aided Mao Tse-tung’s conquest of previous US ally China via
a disastrous “China policy” that favored Mao and undermined Chiang Kai-Shek.

Under Mao the Catholic Church was persecuted (as it was in Eastern Europe under Stalin and his satellites).

How should a CATHOLIC think about that? Mc Carthy at least opposed the rampant evil forcefully … with what LITTLE power he had.

For a little background on the worldwide Communist persecution of the Church, consider this timeline. And note that pressure from US Congress freed Archbishop Stepinac in 1951 (when Mc Carthy was the US’s foremost opponent of Communism).

Communist oppression of Catholic Church, 1946 - “McCarthy Era”

… On October 11, 1946, Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac of Zagreb was sentenced by the High Court of the People’s Republic of Croatia, in Communist Yugoslavia, to 16 years’ imprisonment with hard labour and five years’ loss of civil rights. It was one of the earlier show trials aimed at discrediting the Catholic Church in Central and Eastern Europe. As such, it can be linked to the trials of Cardinal Slipyj, head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (1945), Cardinal Beran, Archbishop of Prague (1949), and most famously Cardinal Mindszenty, Hungary’s Prince-Primate and Archbishop of Esztergom (also 1949).

Stepinac’s five years of imprisonment — he was released early, mainly because of pressure from the US Congress — and his subsequent eight years’ internment in his home parish of Krašić — destroyed his health. (He was also probably the victim of attempted poisoning.) But he did not suffer the diabolic torments meted out to Mindszenty. Nor, unlike hundreds of other Catholic clergy in Yugoslavia, was he murdered or tortured or broken in Tito’s camps. His show trial used the standard Communist template. As the American vice-consul noted in his report of the proceedings:

> It is idle to speak of the trial of Archbishop Stepinac as a Court trial. It was more like a melodrama performance in which the Public Prosecutor was the hero; the President of the Court his right-hand man, who did most of the work for which the hero got the applause; the defendant was the villain; and the public was the “claque”.
 

RFK was one of Time’s outstanding young men of 1954​

Robert Kennedy was ranked as one of the top ten outstanding young men of 1954 by Time magazine. He received the title when he was 29 by convincing the owners of over 240 trade vessels and merchant ships to not conduct any business or do any trade with countries under the control of the Iron curtain. At the time of his award, Robert was the minority counsel on Joe McCarthy’s Senate Subcommittee on Investigations.

Mc Carthy Committee counsel Robert F. Kennedy named one of Time Magazine’s 10 Outstanding Young Men

Yes, while US and UN soldiers had JUST stopped being shot at by Communist troops in 1953 (including Chinese who invaded the peninsula after Mc Arthur had essentially defeated the North Korean aggressors) … other countries continued to trade with “Red China”. RFK got them to stop voluntarily. His “boss,” Senator Mc Carthy, was probably quite pleased (if not involved himself).

By 1955, China’s persecution of the Catholic Church was even acknowledged in the Hollywood movie “The Left Hand of God”. Starring Humphrey Bogart and Directed by former “Hollywood 10” Director Edward Dmytryk
 
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Great story somewhere about beatnik and sometime-lapsed Catholic Jack Kerouac rooting for him while he watched the hearings on TV and smoked pot.
 
After all these years, 62 since his death and 59th since he had power, Senator Mc Carthy is still making news. 🤔

Joe Mc Carthy Wasn’t Wrong, Just EARLY


In my column last week, I made the comment, “Joe McCarthy wasn’t wrong, he was just early.” I was being flippant. I was trying to make light of the Democrat Party’s turn towards radical, extreme, Marxist, anti-American rhetoric.

I had no idea how right I really was.

I’m not being flippant anymore. Joe McCarthy would have a field day with today’s Democrat Party. He’d be a hero for defending America from evil, radical Marxist politicians posing as “Democrats.” We’d be giving him ticker tape parades.

McCarthy’s Senate committee* was called “The House Un-American Activities Committee.” Let me ask you bluntly: How much more un-American can you get than the ideas espoused just in the past few days by Democrats?

(Editor’s note: Technically, the HUAC was a House of Representatives committee … that in some ways did similar work to Mc Carthy’s Senate Committee and Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. The HUAC was never Mc Carthy’s committee).

First, I’ll start with the usual suspect- Ilhan Omar. I know radical Marxist Democrats want to re-write history, but her latest claim is ridiculous. Omar re-tweeted the claim that Jesus Christ was a Palestinian. Folks, Jesus was a Jew, born into a Jewish family. It doesn’t get more simple or factual than that. Jesus’s parents, Mary and Joseph were Jewish. I know this breaks Democrat Omar’s heart, but Jesus wasn’t a Muslim. He’s the founder of Christianity, not ISIS, Hamas or Hezbollah.
 
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He’s the founder of Christianity, not ISIS, Hamas or Hezbollah.
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This is one of the most braindead lines in a terrible “column.” I assume the intended audience just clap like seals when they see Muslims insulted.
 
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Jesus was a Palestinian Jew.

As a Muslim poster on the forums once kindly explained to me, Muslims don’t believe Jesus was a Muslim in the sense that he adhered to the religion founded by Muhammad. They believe that he was muslim (small m) in the sense of having surrendered to God, since in Arabic, the word “muslim” can come in a “lowercase” form and denote anyone who is a follower of God. (Arabic has no lowercase letters as in English)

Peace.
 
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They really cannot be separated, but I would say both. I could provide a more extensive list

A) state imposed atheism
B) the need to destroy all existing institutions
C) the denial of the dignity of an individual
D) the denial of the right to property
E) the lack of subsidiarity
F) the destruction of the family
G) the collectivization of agriculture

I could probably think of more, those are at the top of my list.
To all, please save your claims that these features are not necessitated by the economic system. We are talking about communism. These features are all described in the writings of Marx and Lenin, and they are common to every communist state that has existed.
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Was this list taken from the current Democrat Party platform?
 
That was a little before my time. From what I have read about McCarthy and from video I have watched, McCarthy did not seem like a very nice fellow. He seemed to be a fear monger.
 
You are now changing the subject. You should research what the Department of Defense and the Intelligence community thought at the time. The short version: US agents caught participating in homosexual activity could be blackmailed by the enemy. This was the US government at work, defending the country from any potential security breaches.
 
That would not have changed anything. The National Security Agency advised against prosecuting any known Communist because the available evidence would have to include Top Secret information which would tip off the enemy - Russia.
 
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In addition to going after suspected Communists, McCarthy also persecuted gay men and lesbians in the Federal Government. Historian David K. Johnson has written a book about it, The Lavender Scare: The Cold War Persecution of Gays and Lesbians in the Federal Government (University of Chicago Press, 2006). According to the blurb on the dust jacket:
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Joe Biden also said that homosexuals should not be allowed to work for the federal govt (in the 1970s or 1980s)

You have to understand the context there. Back in the 1950s (and up to the 80s), most homosexuals were keeping that part of their lives secret from the families, friends, co-workers, etc. Some (eps in the 1950s) even had wives.

The fear was that if a homosexual had an important job with the federal govt, if someone bad found out that they were gay, they could be blackmailed into betraying the United States because the gay person would not want his family, friends, and co-workers to know he was gay.

That was the main concern regarding the Lavender Scare.
 
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