What Should We Do If Gay "Marriage" Becomes Legal?

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What do Catholics do on the marriage front if gay “marriage” becomes a legal reality in the United States?

What was expected of us when no-fault divorce was legalized? What was expected of us when slavery was still legal?

Do we protest and march?

Just curious what everyone else thinks.
 
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Gay marriage HAS become legal in 9 states and the District of Columbia.

It is expected that this number will increase at a quicker pace now.

It is further expected, from what I am reading that DOMA will be overturned by the US Supreme Court in their June decision and that Proposition 8 in California, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision affirming the overturning of that Prop will be either affirmed by direct US Supreme Court decision OR they will dismiss for lack of standing and in effect affirm exactly the same.
 
I live in a state where gay “marriage” is legal. To be honest, I really don’t notice it much. I know the homosexual acts that probably go along with this redefinition of marriage are wrong, but it fortunately doesn’t seem to affect my life much. Maybe gay marriage should be allowed under the guises of free will…if others want to sin…well, all we can do is pray that the Holy Spirit helps them out.
 
cwltexas said:
Gay marriage HAS become legal in 9 states and the District of Columbia.

It is expected that this number will increase at a quicker pace now.

It is further expected, from what I am reading that DOMA will be overturned by the US Supreme Court in their June decision and that Proposition 8 in California, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals decision affirming the overturning of that Prop will be either affirmed by direct US Supreme Court decision OR they will dismiss for lack of standing and in effect affirm exactly the same.
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Perhaps it is inevitable. That does not make it good law.
 
fastenatingguy said:
Perhaps it is inevitable. That does not make it good law.
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We have an opportunity to consider WHY gay people want to marry, what it is that gay people seek. Maybe it is because they don’t want to be alone, that is not a bad thing, our Creator made us to be social beings. Maybe it is because they seek the security of having someone special in their lives, think very simple here, someone to take you to the airport, to a doctor visit, to pick up something for dinner at the grocery store when you are busy, someone to take care of them if they are sick, unable to work.

I think it is vitally important that if we as Good Catholics find our faith requires us to say NO, that we make absolutely sure than hand in hand with that NO, we say YES and have something substantive, viable, doable to offer INSTEAD.
 
cwltexas said:
I think it is vitally important that if we as Good Catholics find our faith requires us to say NO, that we make absolutely sure than hand in hand with that NO, we say YES and have something substantive, viable, doable to offer INSTEAD.
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We make the standard offer to all single people: perpetual chastity as befits one’s state in life. I personally find it a joy to fulfill God’s will for me in this way as a single person, and I thank Him every day for freeing me from the bondage of disordered desires. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. We should seek fellowship from other faithful Christians and we will never feel alone. Marriage is a vocation that not all are called to fulfill. Some of us need to consider virginity for the sake of the Kingdom.
 
I’m not sure if my opinion counts in this… but I agree with some of what Angela said.

When gay marriage is legalized in the US, I don’t think your life is going to change all that much. So, in effect, you can continue to do then what you do now. I wouldn’t be too concerned.

Just my :twocents:
 
I think the real question will be, what will organizations be forced to do in the name of political correct “acceptance”? We have already seen lawsuits brought against vendors and services who did not want to participate in the sinful “union” of two men or two women. There will be plenty more as the homosexualists gain ground. What’s more, for example, customer databases that track families. I am a receptionist at my parish and I wonder if our software vendor will be forced to support homosexual marriage as an option for families. I am sure that orthodox Catholic parishes will never call them anything but cohabitation. What about forms with space for “husband” and “wife”? Will the government force us to change them to “Spouse A” and “Spouse B”?

There is all kinds of trouble that will impinge on our lives as a result of the legitimization of homosexual unions. So far, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty more to come. Be ready to answer it.
 
cwltexas said:
We have an opportunity to consider WHY gay people want to marry, what it is that gay people seek.
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The larger motivation that goes beyond this issue that is not exclusive to homosexuals is a spirit of rebellion in people. It’s the same spirit of rebellion that motivated Satan and the other wicked angels. People want to “play God”. First it was the artificial contraception pill that everyone demanded. Then abortion on demand for when the pill fails. Then “no fault” divorce. The Catholic Church stood firmly against all these evils and still does. Now this. God already revealed what the true meaning of marriage is when Jesus blessed the wedding at Cana with his Holy Presence and when he said that Adam and Eve are the model for what marriage is and should be. All we Catholics need to do is continue in the teachings of the Catholic Church since her wisdom is the wisdom of God. If today someone would ask Jesus Christ about marriage He would say, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female”? (Matt. 19:4)

Keep in mind that the Catholic Church still won’t recognize a heterosexual “marriage” that has a defect of form. I know because I used to be in an invalid “marriage”. But it failed, and I got an annulment in the Church. I was fortunate that there were no children that happened from it. But my current marriage is a valid one because we got married in the Catholic Church.
 
Elizium23 said:
What about forms with space for “husband” and “wife”? Will the government force us to change them to “Spouse A” and “Spouse B”?

There is all kinds of trouble that will impinge on our lives as a result of the legitimization of homosexual unions. So far, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. There is plenty more to come. Be ready to answer it.
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Other countries have been dealing with legal same-sex marriage for a good while now. They are still here and have not sunk into the sea.

And, no, your parish will not have to change forms from Husband and Wife to Spouse A and Spouse B. Civil marriage deals with the state, which is the only entity that will have the ‘Spouse A and Spouse B’ changes made to their marriage application forms. The Catholic Church (or any church, for that matter) will not have to change anything about its ceremonies unless it elects to. The Catholic Church already has restrictions and regulations regarding who is and is not eligible for a Catholic marriage ceremony, and since no one’s come after the RCC for that and been successful, I think you’re in the clear.

The Supreme Court upheld the Boy Scouts’ right to deny membership to LGBT persons as a private organization. That same legal precedent can and would apply to the Catholic Church, as well. They don’t have to marry anyone they don’t want to. Gays and lesbians will be married in the eyes of their government, regardless, because they’ll have a marriage license. If a gay or lesbian couple wants a religious ceremony to accompany that marriage license, then the responsibility falls on them to find a religious organization willing to perform the ceremony, just as that responsibility falls on heterosexual couples.

As for Catholic employees of the state, like county clerks, etc that issue marriage licenses as part of their job with the government., they will have to follow the law by virtue of their positions and issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. This is part of their job description - to follow the law. If they can no longer fill that position due to religious objections over same-sex marriage, they are free to leave it; but they cannot arbitrarily neglect certain responsibilities of their position in accordance with the law simply because they object to one aspect of the law.
 
I think it is sufficient that we have publically dissented and voiced our rational position - a position which also happens to be biblical.

If secular society wilfully goes the wrong direction, against Gods advice, (remember that obeying Gods law is for our benefit not His,) then society will reap what it sows.

I’m opposed to homosexual marriage for the same reason I’m opposed to adultery. How can you defend the “institution” of marriage against adultery without being called a bible basher or a moralizing puritan. Similarly, if Equal Love lobbyists are consistent they will surely have to support polygamy for bisexuals too.

Skyrocketing divorce rates, single-parent homes, custody battles, domestic violence, teenage depression and suicide, atheistic existential angst…these are social pathologies which the secular State has to deal with. And when I say “deal with” I mean pay for.

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Casey123 said:
When gay marriage is legalized in the US, I don’t think your life is going to change all that much. So, in effect, you can continue to do then what you do now. I wouldn’t be too concerned.

Just my :twocents:
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Agreed. And if it impacts the community and society around them–decline in marriage or unstable homes producing nutty people–then that is just something one has to deal with. Kind of like people being against socialism and for rugged individualism. One can think of gay marriage and/or a declining morally corrupt and violent society as a blessing then because they get to prove their rugged individualism in action and spirit.
 
deusnobiscum said:
What do Catholics do on the marriage front if gay “marriage” becomes a legal reality in the United States?

What was expected of us when no-fault divorce was legalized? What was expected of us when slavery was still legal?

Do we protest and march?

Just curious what everyone else thinks.
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I spent most of my life very politically active; however, I am no longer. That said, this will not affect my life one bit. My generation (I am 37) has seen this country slide to Sodom our whole lives. This is no surprise to me. All I can do is work on improving my own spirituality and witness. Evangelize. Speak Truth, regardless of the circumstances.
 
TimeEntrance said:
Agreed. And if it impacts the community and society around them–decline in marriage or unstable homes producing nutty people–then that is just something one has to deal with. Kind of like people being against socialism and for rugged individualism. One can think of gay marriage and/or a declining morally corrupt and violent society as a blessing then because they get to prove their rugged individualism in action and spirit.
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I find it funny that people that are against socialism are very, very adamant about it… Just don’t mess with their socialist Medicare… or their socialist social security… or their socialist post office… or their socialist interstate highways… or their socialist price-controlled milk in the grocery store… or their socialist fire department… or their socialist libraries… or their socialist subsidized beef products that ensure that their delicious cheeseburger deluxes are $3.50 a piece instead of $11.

It reminds me of an old movie quote. “That word you keep using - “socialism” - I do not think it means what you think it means…”
 
Casey123 said:
I find it funny that people that are against socialism are very, very adamant about it… Just don’t mess with their socialist Medicare… or their socialist social security… or their socialist post office… or their socialist interstate highways… or their socialist price-controlled milk in the grocery store… or their socialist fire department… or their socialist libraries…

It reminds me of an old movie quote. “That word you keep using - “socialism” - I do not think it means what you think it means…”
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Or their government regulated marriages in this case.
 
**Pray. Fast. Fraternal Charity. Protest

The reason I say protest is because SSM will be one of the undoing cornerstones of this society. I don’t intend to use the slipper slope fallacy however, once homosexuality is ok, then it opens the pandora box to higher percentages of abortion, contraception, pre maritial sex, pedophilia, beastiality, etc. Add to the fact that it undermines not only the institution of heterosexual matrimony, but the SACRAMENT as well. SSM is a MOCKERY to the beautiful and wonderful Sacrament that is Heterosexual Matrimony. I can’t believe that the married couples on this forum are NOT inflamed by this. I certainly would be. Imagine, the fundamental building block of society, the cornerstone of life, the source and fountain of vocations (By extension even the EUCHARIST would not be possible without Marriage, because you got to have male offspring that have vocations to become Priests, without this, no Priest, No Priest, No EUCHARIST, or any other Sacrament for that matter, except Baptism and emergency Matrimony which brings me back to my point…) is undermined and trodden upon for the sake of two men or two women exchanging deviant pleasure between each other. How disgusting. **
 
mymamamary said:
**I don’t intend to use the slipper slope fallacy however, once homosexuality is ok, then it opens the pandora box to higher percentages of abortion, contraception, pre maritial sex, pedophilia, beastiality, **
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But… you kind of just did use that fallacy you said you weren’t going to use… and you admitted it’s a fallacy…

fallacy. Noun. 1., a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc.: That the world is flat was at one time a popular fallacy; 2., a misleading or unsound argument.

Abortion? Gays have no need for it. Contraception? Again, no need for it. Pre-Marital sex? Pre-marital sex has been around well before same-sex marriage first became legal. Pedophilia? Not the same thing as homosexuality, at all. We’re talking about consenting adults here. Which brings me to bestiality, my favorite fallacy of all…

I would really love to see the statistical numbers that say that gay marriage leads to more people who say that because same-sex couples can get married that they now suddenly find dogs and cats very, very attractive and marriage worthy.

I’d also love to meet the cat that has opposable thumbs and cognitive thought, and is capable of acknowledging consent to a marriage and has the ability to hold a pen and sign a legal document. Then again, I might be frightened that, should such a circumstance arise, that it would effectively mean that cats are evolving before our very eyes, and will one day soon rise up against us (any cat owner knows they’ve been plotting this all along) in a Planet of the Apes style uprising of cat-astrophic proportions, in an attempt to overthrow humanity as the rulers of Earth. It will be like Battlestar Galactica, except the Cylons are all cats and much, much more dangerous…

This is why using fallacies is a bad idea, because you can easily follow an illogical statement to its logical conclusion.
 
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