What Should We Do If Gay "Marriage" Becomes Legal?

[JimG]

Here is what Cardinal George says about the matter.

If you don’t read the entire article, at least begin with paragraph 5 which begins, “What is, then, at stake in this proposed legislation?”

 

[WingsOfEagles]

I agree that homosexual marriage is not sacramental like a traditional heterosexual marriage. I also think it should be illegal…although it is legal in my state. However, I would be careful to go overboard about the homosexual marriage will cause us to not have priests and therefore, no Eucharist. First of all, the Catholic Church will never marry homosexuals, so any practicing Catholics will have traditional marriages. Also, just because gay marriage becomes legal, doesn’t mean that most people will suddenly want a gay marriage instead of a traditional one. I have faith that most people do not have SSA. Most of us are naturally pre-wired to desire someone of the opposite sex.

**Pray. Fast. Fraternal Charity. Protest

The reason I say protest is because SSM will be one of the undoing cornerstones of this society. I don’t intend to use the slipper slope fallacy however, once homosexuality is ok, then it opens the pandora box to higher percentages of abortion, contraception, pre maritial sex, pedophilia, beastiality, etc. Add to the fact that it undermines not only the institution of heterosexual matrimony, but the SACRAMENT as well. SSM is a MOCKERY to the beautiful and wonderful Sacrament that is Heterosexual Matrimony. I can’t believe that the married couples on this forum are NOT inflamed by this. I certainly would be. Imagine, the fundamental building block of society, the cornerstone of life, the source and fountain of vocations (By extension even the EUCHARIST would not be possible without Marriage, because you got to have male offspring that have vocations to become Priests, without this, no Priest, No Priest, No EUCHARIST, or any other Sacrament for that matter, except Baptism and emergency Matrimony which brings me back to my point…) is undermined and trodden upon for the sake of two men or two women exchanging deviant pleasure between each other. How disgusting. **

 

[livingwordunity]

Abortion? Gays have no need for it.

That’s not true. Whenever “gays” try to have a child artificially with IVF there are micro abortions that take place in that procedure for the unwanted fertilized embryos.

 

[Corki]

**Pray. Fast. Fraternal Charity. Protest

The reason I say protest is because SSM will be one of the undoing cornerstones of this society. I don’t intend to use the slipper slope fallacy however, once homosexuality is ok, then it opens the pandora box to higher percentages of abortion, contraception, pre maritial sex, pedophilia, beastiality, etc. . **

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy and the so-called “gay” “rights” advocacy movement has proven that. Just a few years ago, the theme was ‘what consenting adults do in thier own bedrooms’. Then it exploded (slid quickly down the slope) into wholesale acceptance of homosexual couplings (and other abberations) and now we are being forced to give not only public recognition to these pseudo marriages but to give preferrential treatment to anyone who self-identifies as “gay”.

It’s been a VERY slippery slope and it hasn’t been a fallacy at all.

 

[livingwordunity]

A slippery slope is not always a fallacy and the so-called “gay” “rights” advocacy movement has proven that. Just a few years ago, the theme was ‘what consenting adults do in thier own bedrooms’. Then it exploded (slid quickly down the slope) into wholesale acceptance of homosexual couplings (and other abberations) and now we are being forced to give not only public recognition to these pseudo marriages but to give preferrential treatment to anyone who self-identifies as “gay”.

It’s been a VERY slippery slope and it hasn’t been a fallacy at all.

And the same ones who call the slippery slope a fallacy when it comes to this will themselves use the slippery slope argument in their refusal to not call it a double murder when a man murders a pregnant woman. The Pro-Abortion side also uses the slippery slope argument for arguing against Pro-Life ultra-sound legislation. They also use a slippery slope argument to argue against vouchers that would let lower income parents have a choice to send their kids to private school instead of to a public school.

 

[Casey123]

That’s not true. Whenever “gays” try to have a child artificially with IVF there are micro abortions that take place in that procedure for the unwanted fertilized embryos.

It seems as though getting fertilized in order to abort a baby is a big waste of money. And “micro abortions”? I’m calling bull on this.

 

[Corki]

It seems as though getting fertilized in order to abort a baby is a big waste of money. And “micro abortions”? I’m calling bull on this.

You might want to read up on IVF and other fertility treatments. They often result in multiple conceptions and the “extras” are frequently destroyed - either before or after implantation (selective reduction).

 

[Reep]

I spent most of my life very politically active; however, I am no longer. That said, this will not affect my life one bit. My generation (I am 37) has seen this country slide to Sodom our whole lives. This is no surprise to me. All I can do is work on improving my own spirituality and witness. Evangelize. Speak Truth, regardless of the circumstances.

I agree with this. **We made this bed **for ourselves.

First, we delivered to the government the power to define and control marriage. We were foolish enough to think we could ride this beast. We can’t.

Second, for whatever reasons, we’ve watched/allowed society to slide into hell, and now find that the whip is in hand of another.

Until we take back society for Christ through personal holiness and evangelization, we have no hope of a political comeback. It is a fool’s errand.

When (if?) the tide turns back–spiritually and morally–maybe we’ll have the wisdom to cut the government out of the loop for good.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I live in a state where gay “marriage” is legal. To be honest, I really don’t notice it much. I know the homosexual acts that probably go along with this redefinition of marriage are wrong, but it fortunately doesn’t seem to affect my life much. Maybe gay marriage should be allowed under the guises of free will…if others want to sin…well, all we can do is pray that the Holy Spirit helps them out.

While you may not be feeling an impact I suspect the state is feeling an impact at large in i.e. religious freedom being curtailed; religious institutions autonomy; redefining marriage is impacting education in school.

 

[_Abyssinia]

What do Catholics do on the marriage front if gay “marriage” becomes a legal reality in the United States?

What was expected of us when no-fault divorce was legalized? What was expected of us when slavery was still legal?

Do we protest and march?

Just curious what everyone else thinks.

This is advice for people opposed to redefining marriage around the world. If redefining marriage happens, do not stop your opposition. France has recently redefined marriage and French opposition are not stopping their opposition because it has been legalized. You continue to educate people about real marriage which is marriage between one man and one woman and you continue to speak up and defend traditional marriage in public.

 

[Nandarani]

I spent most of my life very politically active; however, I am no longer. That said, this will not affect my life one bit. My generation (I am 37) has seen this country slide to Sodom our whole lives. This is no surprise to me. All I can do is work on improving my own spirituality and witness. Evangelize. Speak Truth, regardless of the circumstances.

Trevor, Wow, someone 37 recognizes the slide in his lifetime and I, older than you are, certainly see the same slide just from a little further back in time. It’s neat; we’re on the same page, not quite intergenerationally even though I know there’s stuff that I remember that was gone by the time you began collecting memories.

I agree with the posters who’ve said we can expect much more from this over time. Ultimately, the anti-life agendas won’t win. We will be tested but we wn’t be found wanting.

 

[Casey123]

Firstly, to Corki, that has nothing to do with same-sex marriage, even if it were true, and I don’t think it is. I Googled what you’re talking about, and I didn’t come up with anything solid in the first 3-4 pages (which is all of the effort I was willing to give for something I didn’t care that much about in the first place) put forward in a scholarly article or legitimate news article that wasn’t written by a ministry or from a rightwardly-biased or religious news source; and, even if it were true, it wouldn’t alter my position in the slightest.

Secondly, to everyone else, I’m sorry, and this is probably my last post in this thread, possibly this forum altogether (since I only hung around because I wanted to have a question answered about being an Episcopalian at a Catholic religious ceremony that is, in fact, this morning, so I’d better put the coffee on or I’ll be late), but I’ve supported same-sex marriage since way before it was the cool thing to do, and try as I might, I can’t even make myself understand or even comprehend how someone could, even using the Levitical codes and the Bible, oppose marriage equality for same-sex couples. I just can’t do it. We’re talking about civil and secular marriage rights through the government and just because their families may not mirror your own and simply because you don’t believe them to be families in the first place does not mean that they aren’t families; loving couples, thousands of whom have children, who deserve their due recognition as such and the same rights and equal treatment under the law as every other family receives.

I cannot say to someone, “You deserve to be less of a citizen, have fewer dreams, fewer chances at happiness and a full life than I do simply because you’re gay and the person you love is the same gender as you.” I refuse to do it. I could never do it. To do so would go against what every fiber in my being tells me is true, moral, fair and just.

Thank you all for an illuminating discussion, but I think that’s pretty much it for me, at least for this thread. I don’t think this is the place for me.

God’s peace be with you all, and I pray that wherever your lives take you that you find happiness and health.

Casey

 

[fix]

What do Catholics do on the marriage front if gay “marriage” becomes a legal reality in the United States?

What was expected of us when no-fault divorce was legalized? What was expected of us when slavery was still legal?

Do we protest and march?

Just curious what everyone else thinks.

Most will do nothing because they do not view it as a serious moral evil. We no longer reason morally very well at all. Relativism and hedonism have indoctrinated us into a state of deadened conscience.

Unless we see direct physical threats or police hauling people off into camps we declare no bad changes have occurred. As long as people can go to mass they see the rest of life as totally separate and has no bearing on their life.

As all this nonsense goes on our lives will be changed forever. These fake unions will have custody if children. They will be deprived of an authentic mother and father. That alone will reorder society. I am not even mentioning the indoctrination in schools and other social institutions that will be intolerant of the moral truth. The affects of all this will be undeniable except by those who endorse the gospel of false compassion.

 

[90Domer]

You might want to read up on IVF and other fertility treatments. They often result in multiple conceptions and the “extras” are frequently destroyed - either before or after implantation (selective reduction).

He’s right. Often women have multiple embryos implanted and, if they all implant, will undergo “selective reduction” so they don’t end up like octomom. Also, every embryo is a new human being. If any of them are discarded during the procedure, well, that is abortion.

 

[90Domer]

Most will do nothing because they do not view it as a serious moral evil. We no longer reason morally very well at all. Relativism and hedonism have indoctrinated us into a state of deadened conscience.

Unless we see direct physical threats or police hauling people off into camps we declare no bad changes have occurred. As long as people can go to mass they see the rest of life as totally separate and has no bearing on their life.

As all this nonsense goes on our lives will be changed forever. These fake unions will have custody if children. They will be deprived of an authentic mother and father. That alone will reorder society. I am not even mentioning the indoctrination in schools and other social institutions that will be intolerant of the moral truth. The affects of all this will be undeniable except by those who endorse the gospel of false compassion.

I think Fix hit the nail on the head here. Relativism and sentalmentalism have taken over moral law. There is no right or wrong…it is all relative to the situation and based on how it makes someone feels. And people who live in states where SSM is passed should be seeing some of the effects if they have children in school. There is a very strong push to have LGBTQ curriculum taught to kids as a young as kindergarten.

Personally, I am very worried about SSM becoming law. I feel somewhat comforted that my son is well-grounded in his faith so far. Hopefully, that will continue as he gets older, but there will be more forces working against him.

 

[Personanongrata]

You might want to read up on IVF and other fertility treatments. They often result in multiple conceptions and the “extras” are frequently destroyed - either before or after implantation (selective reduction).

Straight, married, Catholic women use IVF and other fertility treatments, more than gay women.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

I think Fix hit the nail on the head here. Relativism and sentalmentalism have taken over moral law. There is no right or wrong…it is all relative to the situation and based on how it makes someone feels. And people who live in states where SSM is passed should be seeing some of the effects if they have children in school. There is a very strong push to have LGBTQ curriculum taught to kids as a young as kindergarten.

Personally, I am very worried about SSM becoming law. I feel somewhat comforted that my son is well-grounded in his faith so far. Hopefully, that will continue as he gets older, but there will be more forces working against him.

Happy to see someone recognizing sentimentalism for what it is.

We need to get the word out there about all these political correct-isms and how they are distorting ethics, morality and moral teaching.

 

[Publisher]

What do Catholics do on the marriage front if gay “marriage” becomes a legal reality in the United States?

What was expected of us when no-fault divorce was legalized? What was expected of us when slavery was still legal?

Do we protest and march?

Just curious what everyone else thinks.

This thread is a good indication you’ve already started what you must do…learn to live in a world where same sex marriage is accepted.

Some of your dialog here offers some hope…“if gay marriage becomes legal reality?” It’s legal reality in 9 states and counting…in numerous countries and counting…one of the first things that would help you to “deal”…let “if” go by the wayside…it’s not “if” it’s “when.”

 

[Personanongrata]

This thread is a good indication you’ve already started what you must do…learn to live in a world where same sex marriage is accepted.

Some of your dialog here offers some hope…“if gay marriage becomes legal reality?” It’s legal reality in 9 states and counting…in numerous countries and counting…one of the first things that would help you to “deal”…let “if” go by the wayside…it’s not “if” it’s “when.”

 

[Robert_Sock]

Gay marriage nationally is just a matter of time give the way the pendulum is swinging.