What Should We Do If Gay "Marriage" Becomes Legal?

[demol]

Sexual orientation is a claim made by individuals without any proof.

And that matters how exactly in legal matters? We have laws that do not allow one to discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation. The florist chose to deny services based on the couples sexual orientation.

 

[buffalo]

How is heterosexuality the full expression? Do you mean intercourse?

He or she shouldn’t be prevented if that is what they and their parents want, but there is needed research as the American Psychiatric Association determined that reparative therapy poses a great risk.

Intercourse is of course one aspect but not the complete expression of male or female expression.

Now here is where you will choose to believe based on a bias -

Did you know the APA is ripe with homosexual activists and has long ceased to be credible, in that it is a political organization?

 

[buffalo]

And that matters how exactly in legal matters? We have laws that do not allow one to discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation. The florist chose to deny services based on the couples sexual orientation.

Do not for one minute try to smuggle in claimed orientation and equalize it with race.

Exactly, and they are denied their right to serve whom they want based on their religious beliefs. We are talking here not about race, but their admitted actions (which are by the way sins and you should know that).

Do you believe they should be able to not serve someone who has already admitted stealing from them?

 

[ddodge]

Wrong. Gay couples can go and demand to be married on the church’s grounds (if there is public money involved) but they cannot force a priest to marry a couple. They can demand to be married but not who marries them.

And yes, the US was founded with freedom of religion. That has not changed. The states that have voted to allow SSM are not restricting the Catholic church’s religious freedom.

Do you seriously believe that with the current adminstration in charge? They have already attempted to force the Catholic Church to provide contraception to people in violation of our beliefs. What makes you think that they won’t jump on this as “rooting out discrimination” and use the hate crimes laws to force the Church to do its bidding?

 

[ddodge]

My question still stands. Would you be ok if they were trying to make it illegal to counsel against heterosexuality?

No I would not. The government should not be involved in any of this. It’s not their place to be telling me what I can and cannot belief or how I act in accordance with my beliefs.

 

[ddodge]

And that matters how exactly in legal matters? We have laws that do not allow one to discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation. The florist chose to deny services based on the couples sexual orientation.

The florist chose to not provide service based on her religious beliefs. The people trying to get the flowers should have done the sensible thing, take their business elsewhere. Instead they get the government to come in and force people to do things they feel are not moral. Seems like a big intrusion onto freedom of religion to me.

 

[Personanongrata]

Does it? What happens when the DOMA is found to be unconstitutional and a gay couple goes into a Catholic Church demanding to be married. When the pastor refuses, a lawsuit ensues, or possibily criminal discrimination charges could be filed against the pastor. Then the government will end up attempting to force the Catholic Church to toe the line. How is that going to end? Seems like a pretty big issue to me. After all, wasn’t our country founded on principles of religious freedom where the government is supposed to not make any laws restricting the freedom of religion?

Why on earth would a gay couple WANT to be married in the Catholic Church? There are so many other churchs that actually welcome them.

 

[buffalo]

The florist chose to not provide service based on her religious beliefs. The people trying to get the flowers should have done the sensible thing, take their business elsewhere. Instead they get the government to come in and force people to do things they feel are not moral. Seems like a big intrusion onto freedom of religion to me.

It is exactly that - modern day religious persecution. We better stop this right now.

 

[fix]

“The fight against homophobia is a core part of the broader battle for human rights for all,” Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said in his remarks to the International Forum on the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia (IDAHO), held in The Hague, the Netherlands.

“The Universal Declaration of Human Rights promises a world that is free and equal, and we will only honour that promise if everyone – without exception – enjoys the protection they deserve.”

un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=44931&Cr=discrimination&Cr1=#.UZeeBUqnKSo

It’s irrelevant what I want to see in the Bible. The fact remains that there’s nothing in the Bible that forbids recognition of gay marriage rights. Tradition alone doesn’t save anyone. The only thing that fuels the Vatican position is its own Magisterium. But what is that Magisterium based on??

Therefore, this issue is open to interpretation.

Relevance is not the key, but one of the keys to reaching the hearts of modern people with the Gospel. But Catholic-style oppression is NOT the key to salvation. That is why people fall away.

The fact remains that there’s nothing in the Bible that forbids recognition of gay marriage rights. Tradition alone doesn’t save anyone. The only thing that fuels the Vatican position is its own Magisterium. But what is that Magisterium based on??

The entire bible is against immorality which includes “gay” behavior. Revisionist thinking cannot change reality.

 

[fix]

My question still stands. Would you be ok if they were trying to make it illegal to counsel against heterosexuality?

no, of course not. Heterosexuality is normal.

 

[PetrusRomanus]

Gay adoption:
A search on Google for “Bible verses on adoption” leads to: voices.yahoo.com/bible-verses-adoption-10-amazing-scriptures-7633608.html

Here are some verses it lists:

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. (James

This is a good quote. It says to keep them from being.polluted by the world. How can an active gay couple keep a child from being polluted by immorality when they endorse and teach it?

Abortion:
Some translations say “Thou shall not kill,” but other translations say “thou shall not murder”.

An irrelevant discrepancy. All abortion is murder.

Considering that God personally sanctioned war and killing of His enemies in the Old Testament, it can’t be true that all killing is a sin.

Therefore the Bible must be referring to murder. Murder has a special definition–a killing with malice aforethought. I don’t want to bore you with the breakdown of the law. But suffice it to say, there is no malice in abortion. Rather, it is a decision made after much thoughtful deliberation.

God never sanctioned killing. The law of the Jewd of that time did, not God. Jesus confirms this when He says “but from the beginning it was not so!”

 

[Slavonic]

The florist chose to not provide service based on her religious beliefs. The people trying to get the flowers should have done the sensible thing, take their business elsewhere. Instead they get the government to come in and force people to do things they feel are not moral. Seems like a big intrusion onto freedom of religion to me.

No religion should be permitted to create it’s own legally protected class of untouchables.

 

[Corki]

No religion should be permitted to create it’s own legally protected class of untouchables.

They didn’t. They did not want to provide flowers for a particular kind of event. It wasn’t a matter of denying service to a person in a particular class of people. I am sure they would have sold flowers to either one of the homosexual individuals or any of their friends.

What if the florist was asked to provide flowers for a KKK banquet or a NAMBLA convention? Don’t you think they should be allowed to refuse to participate in those events?

 

[jediliz]

What should be if gay marriage becomes legal?

Praise our Lord Jesus Christ that everyone can love who they truly love!

The only TRUE romantic love is between ONE man and ONE woman. There is non such thing between two women or two men.

Jesus ate with Sinners, he did NOT encourage them to CONTINUE sinning.

 

[demol]

They didn’t. They did not want to provide flowers for a particular kind of event. It wasn’t a matter of denying service to a person in a particular class of people. I am sure they would have sold flowers to either one of the homosexual individuals or any of their friends.

What if the florist was asked to provide flowers for a KKK banquet or a NAMBLA convention? Don’t you think they should be allowed to refuse to participate in those events?

You’re comparing a gay couple to KKK or NAMBLA? Wow…

 

[Corki]

You’re comparing a gay couple to KKK or NAMBLA? Wow…

No, I am saying that a “gay” “wedding” is going to be objectionable to some people in the same way that a KKK meeting or a NAMBLA conference would be objectionable.

It’s the event that’s objectionable – NOT the people involved.

 

[Slavonic]

They didn’t. They did not want to provide flowers for a particular kind of event. It wasn’t a matter of denying service to a person in a particular class of people. I am sure they would have sold flowers to either one of the homosexual individuals or any of their friends.

What if the florist was asked to provide flowers for a KKK banquet or a NAMBLA convention? Don’t you think they should be allowed to refuse to participate in those events?

But only a specific class of people have that kind of event.

The florist is not participating in anything. The florist is selling flowers and nothing more. It’s no business of the florists what’s being done with the flowers once the delivery is made.The florist (no florist specifically) is making something that isn’t at all about them, into something about them. It’s ridiculous.

The KKK and NAMBLA could do worse than buying flowers.

 

[ddodge]

Why on earth would a gay couple WANT to be married in the Catholic Church? There are so many other churchs that actually welcome them.

I don’t know. Maybe they simply enjoy forcing others to support their lifestyle. Maybe they have had a previous bad experience with the Church and are looking to even the score. Maybe they like the pagentry of a Catholic wedding. Does it matter? If SSM is made legal, it’s only a matter of time before the Church is going to be forced to perform these marriages or face sanctions from a government that is increasingly hostile to religion.

 

[ddodge]

No religion should be permitted to create it’s own legally protected class of untouchables.

And no government should tell me how to think about certain things. I believe SSM is wrong. That is MY belief and the government has no business telling me that I am wrong and should think otherwise. If the gays do not like the Catholic policy, they are free to go to any other church and settle in there. The entire Catholic community should not have to readjust 2000 years of doctrine to satisfy a few people who feel that our policy is in error. That’s what freedom is about.

 

[stewstew03]

But only a specific class of people have that kind of event.

The florist is not participating in anything. The florist is selling flowers and nothing more. It’s no business of the florists what’s being done with the flowers once the delivery is made.The florist (no florist specifically) is making something that isn’t at all about them, into something about them. It’s ridiculous.

The KKK and NAMBLA could do worse than buying flowers.

Let’s say an African American family owns a floral shop in Alabama; their floral shop has been vandalized by the local KKK. One day, a KKK member goes in to buy flowers, intending to intimidate the African American owner in the process. You’re saying you would be fine if the government compelled this family to sell flowers to the KKK member?