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VanSensei
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What should be if gay marriage becomes legal?
Praise our Lord Jesus Christ that everyone can love who they truly love!
Praise our Lord Jesus Christ that everyone can love who they truly love!
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JimG
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I love many people and wish the best for them. I do not claim the right to marry all of them.
Once marriage is redefined, however, anything is possible.
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PetrusRomanus
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Except Lord Jesus is hurt and offended when people go directly against His teachings.
I think the answer you meant to respond with was : “Pray harder for the salvation of souls.”
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Elizabeth502
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Such a statement offends our Lord Jesus Christ, who praised and followed the Jewish norms of the Mosaic Law repudiating homosexual behavior, and it offends Him who founded a Church to bind and loose, in succession of His apostles – apostles who shared His moral code and proclaimed the same. Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law. Jesus’ one true Church upholds the same sexual morality which Jesus upheld, and as a Catholic it is your duty to be aware of that and to support and oppose what your Church binds and looses.
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VanSensei
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My opinion on same-sex marriage was formed before I came into the Church.
Anyway, you shouldn’t expect any more states to legalize it for the time being. Some states got lucky because their legislature is swayed in one direction.
Anyway, you shouldn’t expect any more states to legalize it for the time being. Some states got lucky because their legislature is swayed in one direction.
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CaliLobo
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Amen. Any Catholic hospital, adoption agency, or business that shuts down because of moral issues regarding same-sex couples, abortion, contraception, sex changes, stem cell research, or the like, does not understand what evangelism, preaching the Gospel, and being a Good Samaritan is. It is not truly serving people.
It is a selfish withholding of compassion, and there’s nothing Catholic or Christlike about it.
When the other side starts making ad hominem attacks, I know I am winning.
Once again, incest is a crime with a victim, as the child is born deformed. Polygamy is a crime with a victim–the women that are in those relationships.
Polygamy is actually an Achilles’ heel of the “traditional marriage” argument. If you really want to bring back “traditional marriage,” then let’s bring back polygamy, since that was practiced in ancient times.
Yes, we do have the “equal right” to love whoever we want. No one is saying it should be unregulated. What we are saying is that it is unjust discrimination to deny gays the right to marry, when science has shown that it is normal for some to be gay. It is a normal minority trait, just like left-handedness or red hair.
Why do you wish to deny love, when God is love??
What teachings? There are no Bible verses teaching that we must oppose gay rights politically. Show me the verse, baby, show me the verse.
The only verses that apply with respect to gays is to love your neighbor as you love yourself (Mark 12:31), and the Golden Rule of Matthew 7:12.
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Elizabeth502
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And since coming into the Church, you have an obligation to form your conscience in line with Church doctrine.
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stewstew03
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I thought we covered this already - so you would support incest between two people as long as they are unable to produce children?
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fix
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None if this is based in Christ. It is all relativism. All error.
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It really is not a matter of opinion at all.
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JimG
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Any Catholic hospital, if required by the government to perform abortions, or to kill embryos, should shut down. One cannot kill the innocent while claiming to do it in the name of evangelism.
Any Catholic adoption agency would be derelict in its duty if forced to place children with same sex couples. It should shut down if the government required it to do so. Some have already been forced to shut down for that reason.
No Catholic institution should engage in immoral activity while claiming evangelism as a reason. That’s contradictory.
The Missionaries of Charity serve a large number of homosexuals, caring for them in illness. They do not engage in immoral activity. If forced to engage in immoral activity, they would have to shut down their ministry.
Now the HHS is trying to mandate that Catholic institutions and Catholic businesses provide employees with contraceptives, morning after pills, sterilization, all of which contradict Catholic doctrine. They must choose between practicing their religion or rejecting their religion by government order.
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CaliLobo
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Sorry I was busy with work but here is my reply:
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Once again, I’m not getting any Bible verses from you guys. Show me the Bible verse that says we must discriminate against gays when it comes to human rights.
JimG:
If Catholics shut down their hospitals and adoption agencies for this reason, it will only shrink the ministry and help further the decline of the Catholic Church into nonexistence. There are already enough reasons to reject the Catholic Church, its lack of relevance in modern society being one of them.
So where do these Catholic positions come from? They don’t come from the Bible; instead they come from the historic promulgation of oppressive policies of the Catholic Church in the name of “helping others to holiness”.
Stop promulgating oppression. Stop trying to legislate morality. You really want to force people by law to be Catholic? That’s not a relationship with God; that is slavery.
Separation of church and state is beneficial for Catholics and the rest of society.
Stick to preaching the Gospel and cultivating individual relationships with Jesus Christ. Protestants have realized this and that is why they are growing while Catholics are shrinking. I’m not saying this to proselytize; I’m saying this because isn’t this something they’re doing right and that Catholics are doing wrong?
I won’t fall into your trap. Technically, what two consenting adults do is fine. However, the public cultural backlash would be so great as to deter that kind of behavior. If the possibility of deformed children isn’t already.
How is it based on relativism? How is it not based in Christ?
Once again, I’m not getting any Bible verses from you guys. Show me the Bible verse that says we must discriminate against gays when it comes to human rights.
Show me the Bible verse that says we can’t let gays adopt. Show me the Bible verse that says that the **government **must stop women from exercising the civil right to abortion.
If Catholics shut down their hospitals and adoption agencies for this reason, it will only shrink the ministry and help further the decline of the Catholic Church into nonexistence. There are already enough reasons to reject the Catholic Church, its lack of relevance in modern society being one of them.
So where do these Catholic positions come from? They don’t come from the Bible; instead they come from the historic promulgation of oppressive policies of the Catholic Church in the name of “helping others to holiness”.
Stop promulgating oppression. Stop trying to legislate morality. You really want to force people by law to be Catholic? That’s not a relationship with God; that is slavery.
Separation of church and state is beneficial for Catholics and the rest of society.
Stick to preaching the Gospel and cultivating individual relationships with Jesus Christ. Protestants have realized this and that is why they are growing while Catholics are shrinking. I’m not saying this to proselytize; I’m saying this because isn’t this something they’re doing right and that Catholics are doing wrong?
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JimG
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I’m still looking for the bible verse that says that the government must be able to force Catholics to perform immoral acts. For that matter, I’d like to see the pertinent statute that would allow the government to overrule the First Amendment protecting the free exercise of religion.
As for the bible, well, it is a Catholic book.
As for the bible, well, it is a Catholic book.
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CaliLobo
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Since the government is secular, it does not need to follow the Bible, much less what the Vatican says on what’s moral or immoral. Morality cannot and should not be legislated, so therefore it is irrelevant. What is important is preservation of the people’s rights as determined by constitutional law.
We cannot force people to be Catholic. Freedom includes freedom to do what is immoral to Catholics.
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stewstew03
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Morality can’t be legislated, eh? What was it you were saying about incest between two consenting adults…?
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CaliLobo
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If you read post 112, I said that the public cultural backlash would be so great as to deter that kind of behavior, if the possibility of deformed children isn’t already.
However, technically what two consenting adults do in the bedroom is fine, and the government should not intrude into people’s bedroom privacy.
And for the record, I think incest is ewww.
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stewstew03
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I think homosexual acts are ewww… But, we can’t base our laws on the “ick factor”.
It appears that, despite cultural backlash, you would support decriminalizing incest, yes?
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CaliLobo
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Those laws are already not enforced anyway, much like laws against fornication which are still on the books.
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JimG
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The Church is not forcing Catholicism on anyone. It is the government that proposes to force Catholic institutions to act against Catholic morality. If the government requires me to kill the innocent, I cannot obey. If the government requires Catholic institutions to reject Catholicism and accept the government religion, they cannot obey without apostasizing from the Church.
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