What "Sola" Did Jesus Teach......

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Thank you. Jesus does not explicitly say that we cannot be perfect. Where Jesus says none is good but the father, He actually includes himself in this for Luke 18:19 says "So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. " So it would appear that, if we use this as a measure point, Even Jesus falls short of the Goodness of God.
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What Jesus is saying to the guy is that since only God is truly good and you are calling Me ‘good’, make sure you know what you are saying. Obviously, Jesus is sinless, perfect and One with the Father.
 
nsper7 said:
I never denied the existence of Hell, I just pointed to in the OT that Hell is never directly threatened, although punishment certainly is. So, how can you lose Heaven?

Since no one keeps the commandments perfectly (except Jesus of course), I would assume you can believe and remain in sin. I would assume it would cause all manner of problems, including psychiatric (trying to live some kind of double life and going against your own conscience) and physical (St. Paul warns about people being killed and such).
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I agree with both points. Yes, a person can be in a state of grace then lose that grace through sin.
 
ralphinal said:
I agree with both points. Yes, a person can be in a state of grace then lose that grace through sin.
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Remember, TU and I are not Roman Catholic, so there is going to be an almost underlying difference in the views of Salvation.
 
TriuneUnity said:
How, when He is God?
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Then why did he say it this way.
Absolutely and that is how we should look at those commandments as Christians. As a guide for knowing what the will of God is for us in our sanctification.
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Agreed
Because the young man asked the wrong question. If you ask God what YOU must do to inherit eternal life, He will give you the Law.
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This is the question we all ask God. What must We DO and Jesus answered him. Jesus didn’t promise it would be easy.
The difference being of course that Jesus wasn’t born a sinner. We are.
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No, Jesus was not born a sinner. However He was born Human and He did have the capacity to sin. Since He was Human as well as Divine, He contained all of the usual temptations as the erst of us. That is why He had to undergo the temptation in the Desert.

Peace
James
 
TriuneUnity said:
No, you’re reading that right. That is exactly what Paul is saying. The problem with the argument you put forth before is that when Paul says “works of the Law” he only means Jewish Levitical Law. He means the entire Law. This is evidence by the fact that he has already indicted the entire human race in the first 3 chapters of his letter.

The Law is not flawed; we are! The Law is internal as well as external. Referring back to the words of Christ that started this thread…Christ makes it clear that our sins begin internally and work themselves out externally. We are sinners by nature, our hearts are dead and enemies of God. God, through Baptism, does change us internally so that we may walk in His ways. We cannot walk in His ways, however, until we are justified by the blood of Christ. This Christ did for us; we cannot do for ourselves.
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Let me clarify what I meant by flawed. The Law does not make us new spiritually. We are still of the world. We are not redeemed by the law. It seems like the Law started on the outside to change the inside while Christ takes the opposite path.

I agree I think.
 
JRKH said:
Then why did he say it this way.
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To point to the fact that we are to call none good but God. That is clear indication that none of us is good! In fact, without looking it up, Jesus says in the sermon on the mount “If you who are evil give good things, how much more so God?”
This is the question we all ask God. What must We DO and Jesus answered him. Jesus didn’t promise it would be easy.
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It wasn’t easy. It cost the sinless substitute His life. The results of trusting in His work for you will not be easy; persecution, affliction, etc.
No, Jesus was not born a sinner. However He was born Human and He did have the capacity to sin. Since He was Human as well as Divine, He contained all of the usual temptations as the erst of us. That is why He had to undergo the temptation in the Desert.
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You and I not only have the capacity to sin but the desire to sin. That very desire (original sin) already places us under the condemnation of the Law. We are born dead in sins and children of wrath.
 
Please read Hebrews Chapter 11. Faith leads to works.

I am still not seeing where Jesus says sit and beleive. He says follow me and do. Feed the hungry, forgive others, etc. Can anyone show me where Jesus says that there is no need to care for anyone else?

To Christ, faith and works are one in the same.
 
ralphinal said:
Let me clarify what I meant by flawed. The Law does not make us new spiritually. We are still of the world. We are not redeemed by the law. It seems like the Law started on the outside to change the inside while Christ takes the opposite path.

I agree I think.
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You’re absolutely right in that evaluation of the Law; except I would disagree about it starting on the outside. The Law was already written on the heart before the Law was given externally through Moses. The 10 Commandments were given, Paul says, to point us to objective fact that we are Law-breakers. The ministry of death, in fact, is what he calls it.

The Gospel does change us internally… it changes us because we have been justified, not to be justified.
 
ralphinal said:
Please read Hebrews Chapter 11. Faith leads to works.

I am still not seeing where Jesus says sit and beleive. He says follow me and do. Feed the hungry, forgive others, etc. Can anyone show me where Jesus says that there is no need to care for anyone else?

To Christ, faith and works are one in the same.
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That is why we need the didactic epistles to flesh out and clarify what Christ says in the gospels. We must also remember that any of the other letters of the New Testament, in a very real way, are the words of Christ.

We should never sit and believe. The result of faith is that we cannot sit and believe. A person who has been justified now has a relationship to works, to use an analogy, of a fish with water. It is the nature of the fish to breathe water. Without gills, the fish couldn’t breathe water. Faith is our gills, and the fact that we have them means we automatically breathe water, i.e., do good works.

Conversely, gulp as much water as you want…you will never be able to breathe it, if you don’t have faith.
 
ralphinal said:
Please read Hebrews Chapter 11. Faith leads to works.
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To all - Please keep in mind that this thread is about what Jesus said and taught.
I am still not seeing where Jesus says sit and beleive. He says follow me and do. Feed the hungry, forgive others, etc. Can anyone show me where Jesus says that there is no need to care for anyone else?
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To Christ, faith and works are one in the same.
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So maybe what Jesus taught is Sola - Just do it.
(anyone want to tranlate that into Latin?🙂 )
 
JRKH said:
To all - Please keep in mind that this thread is about what Jesus said and taught.

So maybe what Jesus taught is Sola - Just do it.
(anyone want to tranlate that into Latin?🙂 )
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Sola Nike?
 
ralphinal said:
Victory alone? Nike is Greek anyway…😛 😛 😛

I do think that there is some proof for that idea. No hesitation, no second thoughts, just dedicate yourself to serving the Kingdom of God.
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Amen. Well, except for you pointing out my lack of knowledge in Latin 😛
 
TriuneUnity said:
Amen. Well, except for you pointing out my lack of knowledge in Latin 😛
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Hey, you’re Lutherin. I would have been more shocked had you known it. The only reason that I know that one is from Military Hostopry clases
 
ralphinal said:
Hey, you’re Lutherin. I would have been more shocked had you known it. The only reason that I know that one is from Military Hostopry clases
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And you thought Military Hostopry classes would never serve a useful function in life! 😃

So where were we?
 
TriuneUnity said:
And you thought Military Hostopry classes would never serve a useful function in life! 😃

So where were we?
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I’m not sure - but it’s been fun and ineresting wherever it was/is.

So far I think that if there is any one main thrust of Jesus teaching it does seem to be “Follow”. In other words do as I have done. Things Like, “If you had faith the size of”… or “Go and sin no more”… or “Sell all and give to the poor”. All speak strongly to belief in action.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
I’m not sure - but it’s been fun and ineresting wherever it was/is.

So far I think that if there is any one main thrust of Jesus teaching it does seem to be “Follow”. In other words do as I have done. Things Like, “If you had faith the size of”… or “Go and sin no more”… or “Sell all and give to the poor”. All speak strongly to belief in action.

Peace
James
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Yes; we are people, after all and we do stuff. As Christians we are to do different “stuff” then other people do; dead sinners (hopefully) don’t receive communion, they don’t go to confession and absolution (well some born again sinners don’t do this either, but they should!), they don’t pray to Christ for guidance and help when they assist the poor. They don’t pray the Lord’s Prayer and recite the Creed in the morning and evening.

The justification stuff, how we view our sin and our standing before God, is always the backdrop and spiritual realities of our day to day lives. They form the foundation of why we do what we do.
 
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