What teachings would the Catholic Church have to drop for you to be a catholic

[Thorwald]

Wrong Mary.

You missed the point. I do not believe that ‘any’ human being actually ‘touched’ Christ after His resurrection. I know that Mary (Christ’s mother) is not the specific ‘Mary’ that the scripture refers to in my quote. I am using the scripture to mean ‘all mankind’.

Jesus Christ had completed His work on earth at the time of His death & resurrection. He simply was now providing proof (witnesses) of His resurrection, to certain chosen people. He was no longer a ‘man’, as we are. He was soon to ascend to His Father in order to return to the glory that He had before the world was, as Lord of Hosts (part of The Godhead). He had been judged, and found worthy. My understanding of the scripture, is that He wanted no man or woman touching Him, because He was ‘pure’ after His resurrection (not that He wasn’t pure before His death, He simply had not gone through the process of being risen from the dead and judged).

Thorwald Johansen

 

[1beleevr]

Ralphie: In the greater scheme of things, it is not important how the Jews use the Psalms for worship,1) because we are not Jewish,2)we should concentrate on how we worship:thumbsup:I have always enjoyed watching the different styles of worship, throughout the Christian community, although never having been to a catholic mass, I cannot say that I have seen catholics worship, or not, for that matter The dictionary defines worship, as not only reverence(which you seem to espouse), but also great praise; expressing admiration for the goodness and glory of God! It’s kinda like other differences we have with you Ralph; not recognizing the pope as the evangelical leader for all Christians(just catholics), Mary not being a perpetual virgin(no proof either way, just assumptions)and having statues(Exodus 20:4) or eating meat on Friday:thumbsup:Music is and will always be a matter of choice, like eating your eggs poached, sunny side up or friedThird rate poetry, set to fourth rate musicThat’s pretty harsh(Matthew 7:1-5

 

[w_stewart]

Jesus, Himself, states that He is the way, the truth and the life, and no man can come unto The Father, but by Him. It is our belief in Jesus (His life, death and resurrection) and the following of the 10 commandments, plus the one given unto us by Him (Love your neighbour as yourself), etc. that determines our eventual fate. Mary has nothing to do with it. She was not even allowed to touch Jesus after His resurrection, because He had not yet ascended up to His Father in heaven. (I do not believe that doubting Thomas touched Christ either. Ask yourself, would you have dared to ‘not believe Christ’, after what you had just witnessed, as Thomas had witnessed?)

You forgot the Church he founded as necessary for our salvation.

 

[Peter_J]

I wonder why. There must be something inherently clear about why the Swedish ones are not valid but not as clear with the Anglican ones.

That’s a possibility, but I wouldn’t say that it must be clear; nor would I say that is must be less clear than the Anglican case.

 

[Thorwald]

You forgot the Church he founded as necessary for our salvation.

God is The Word. I believe in The Word. It does not matter to me, whether I communicate with others concerning The Word, inside or outside of any building, or to any Christian faith group.

Thorwald Johansen

 

[GKC]

I wonder why. There must be something inherently clear about why the Swedish ones are not valid but not as clear with the Anglican ones.

It is most likely because there is no historical analog to what was begun when Lord Halifax met the Abbe Portal, in the winter of 1890, to initiate it.

GKC

 

[w_stewart]

God is The Word. I believe in The Word. It does not matter to me, whether I communicate with others concerning The Word, inside or outside of any building, or to any Christian faith group.

Thorwald Johansen

The Church I am talking about is not a building but the Body of the Word.

 

[1beleevr]

I don’t know Janet1983, but it’s possible that what is going on with her now, is that the Holy Spirit is leading her(as He is wont to do) in another direction; away from the catholic church It is nothing against the church, I’m sure, but sometimes when we are hurting, confusedor searching, we may lash out at all those things, which we feel are the source of that pain! Ridicule, or making light of the situation, only adds to the problem instead of helping to solve itIf Janet1983, is meant to return to the catholic church, God will lead her back:thumbsup:Right now, however, as Christians of all stripes, we need to lift her up in prayer, and support her in whichever path the Lord leads her(Jeremiah 29:11).

 

[Thorwald]

The Church I am talking about is not a building but the Body of the Word.

Good. Then we agree. I don’t need Mary for my salvation. God chose Mary in order to do a task (be the mother of Christ). He could have chose any woman. He simply chose Mary.

Thorwald Johansen

 

[1beleevr]

So sorry, but I can’t believe that the church that Christ founded is necessary for salvation

 

[SteveGC]

In an earlier post, I suggested the possibility of introducing contemporary Christian music(of which there is an abundance of awesome songs) into the service, at catholic churches:thumbsup:This was met with a sound “NO WAY”Then I read in many places in Psalms, where David and others exhort us to sing praises, to worship with the cymbal and the lyre:thumbsupsalms 100:1 tells us to make a joyful noise unto the Lord. All through the Bible, there are recordings of God’s people, filled with His Spirit, rejoicing, dancing and celebrating Him! I agree, that on certain occasions, ther should be reverence, but even a funeral should be a celebration of the deceased’s life, and not sorrow for his/her passing; especially if they were a Christian:thumbsup:

Remember, The Passion of our Lord did not occur in David’s time.

There’s a time and a place for dancing and shouting unto the Lord, even for Catholics. In “The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass”, the official name of Mass, is not such a time nor place. The Mass takes us to Calvary, a solemn, contemplative event in which we are reverent, quiet, and deep in prayer. In our hearts, however, Catholics do rejoice, do celebrate Him, even at Mass. It just is not expressed in an exuberant, physical way. Again, exuberance and excitement for our Lord are natural expressions all devout Christians should carry with them often, even devout Catholics. But Mass, our principle worship activity, is a time to shelve our exuberance, reach inward in contemplation and prayer, share in the solemnity of our Lord’s Passion, and demonstrate absolute reverence. This is why Mass cannot be made equivalent (nor can be compared) to a non-Catholic service.

God Bless

 

[w_stewart]

Good. Then we agree.

And that Body is the Catholic Church, outside of which, there is no salvation. I should be clearer now for you to have a better picture of the thing you are agreeing with.

I don’t need Mary for my salvation. God chose Mary in order to do a task (be the mother of Christ). He could have chose any woman. He simply chose Mary.

Thorwald Johansen

So Mary is just nothing?

 

[w_stewart]

So sorry, but I can’t believe that the church that Christ founded is necessary for salvation

Therefore, the Church founded by Christ is good-for-nothing, irrelevant, useless?

 

[4Squarebaby]

Remember, The Passion of our Lord did not occur in David’s time.

There’s a time and a place for dancing and shouting unto the Lord, even for Catholics. In “The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass”, the official name of Mass, is not such a time nor place. The Mass takes us to Calvary, a solemn, contemplative event in which we are reverent, quiet, and deep in prayer. In our hearts, however, Catholics do rejoice, do celebrate Him, even at Mass. It just is not expressed in an exuberant, physical way. Again, exuberance and excitement for our Lord are natural expressions all devout Christians should carry with them often, even devout Catholics. But Mass, our principle worship activity, is a time to shelve our exuberance, reach inward in contemplation and prayer, share in the solemnity of our Lord’s Passion, and demonstrate absolute reverence. This is why Mass cannot be made equivalent (nor can be compared) to a non-Catholic service.

God Bless

I’m curious. Mass is held everyday. If the believers are not dancing and shouting unto the Lord at Mass then when will they do it? Some may gather in His presence more then twice a week, but my guess is that most of the most faithful church goers only come that one Saturday or Sunday.

 

[SteveGC]

Good. Then we agree. I don’t need Mary for my salvation. God chose Mary in order to do a task (be the mother of Christ). He could have chose any woman. He simply chose Mary.

Thorwald Johansen

This angle on Mary completely diminishes her “Fiat”. Far too often, we take for granted Mary said “Yes”…not just once, but throughout her life.

To reduce it to ‘well, anybody would’ve done…God just chose her’, is a slap in the face to Mary’s devotion and undying commitment to God.

Remember, Mary had free will also. Her “YES” is why we have the account of Christianity we do today. Let us never forget that. It could be quite different.

God Bless

 

[w_stewart]

I’m curious. Mass is held everyday. If the believers are not dancing and shouting unto the Lord at Mass then when will they do it?

They CAN do it all day long OUTSIDE of the Mass. Dancing and shouting are not appropriate during the Mass.

 

[SteveGC]

I’m curious. Mass is held everyday. If the believers are not dancing and shouting unto the Lord at Mass then when will they do it? Some may gather in His presence more then twice a week, but my guess is that most of the most faithful church goers only come that one Saturday or Sunday.

We first have to ask, what’s the goal of dancing and shouting?
non-Catholics aren’t dancing and shouting in the streets. They’re doing it among themselves. So, there’s nothing really evangelical about the non-Catholic worship service. You’re not gathering the wayward in this way. Catholics, like many devout non-Catholics, “dance and shout” in the example of their daily lives - this is evangelical. Sure, some even dance and shout for the Lord physically - some attend contemporary Christian music concerts, or gather in social settings, listening and singing along to upbeat, Christian songs of praise. But you seem to think that the important thing is that we do it on Holy days. That this is somehow how we “demonstrate” to God that we love Him. On the contrary, for Catholics, these are times for the utmost reverence, quiet and contemplative prayer, and THAT is how we show our Love for Him.

God bless

 

[Cinette]

I’m curious. Mass is held everyday. If the believers are not dancing and shouting unto the Lord at Mass then when will they do it? Some may gather in His presence more then twice a week, but my guess is that most of the most faithful church goers only come that one Saturday or Sunday.

Dancing and shouting unto the Lord may occur at a Praise and Worship of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal group meeting.

Why? Do you dance and shout unto the Lord every time you come together?

Cinette

 

[4Squarebaby]

They CAN do it all day long OUTSIDE of the Mass. Dancing and shouting are not appropriate during the Mass.

The body of the congregation stays together outside of Mass on a regular basis? Or is the shouting of praise reserved for the extra special occasion?

 

[4Squarebaby]

Dancing and shouting unto the Lord may occur at a Praise and Worship of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal group meeting.

Why? Do you dance and shout unto the Lord every time you come together?

Cinette

Normally every Sunday, It will occasionally break out in mid week prayer groups and Bible studies also.