What teachings would the Catholic Church have to drop for you to be a catholic

[Peter_J]

Thanks! I’ve read that quote a few times myself, though always in the context of Orthodoxy explaining itself, not Catholicism explaining itself. Interesting, though…

 

[1beleevr]

Wow, pa, better be careful, looks like there’s a lynch mob waiting outside fer’ ya! Hmmm, evading, huh? well. , not really, it’s more like I know that what ever answer I come back with, will not be good enough for youse guys! Maybe it’s a matter of what came first, the chicken or the egg? Salvation or the church? I was reading in Acts 8:30-38, yesterday, about Phillip and the Ethiopian eunuch, and wondered, if Phillip said to him after his baptism,“Congratulations, you are now a catholic”! I do street ministry twice a month, and one of the things we tell prospective Christians is, that you don’t have to be in church to be saved; Jesus will meet you where you are!:thumbsup:I think the crux of my message is, that you are saved in spite of the church! Once you are saved, regardless of your spiritual(not religious) affiliation, you are now part of the Body of Christ, a believer! I got saved 42 years ago, and am still not a catholicSo, church membership or affiliation is not necessary for salvation. I do believe, however, that one should be in a church family, for support, mentoring, and teaching, to solidify one’s spiritual foundation! And after reading the tract about Mary, having or not having other children, I would have to say it’s a washInconclusiveness, means nobody wins! Answer this question; my good friend George, who is a catholic, has been married for 37 years. He is what you call a cradle catholic, but he recently revealed to me that although his wife goes to church with him, she refuses to endorse the catholic lifestyle. In fact, she told him,“You may raise our children catholic, but dont’t cram your religion down my throat”! Are they equally yoked; does the church recognize and ordain this marriage?

 

[Peter_J]

Wow, pa, better be careful, looks like there’s a lynch mob waiting outside fer’ ya! Hmmm, evading, huh? well. , not really, it’s more like I know that what ever answer I come back with, will not be good enough for youse guys!

Have you tried giving the right answer, i.e. the Catholic one? (Just teasing.)

Maybe it’s a matter of what came first, the chicken or the egg? Salvation or the church? I was reading in Acts 8:30-38, yesterday, about Phillip and the Ethiopian eunuch, and wondered, if Phillip said to him after his baptism,“Congratulations, you are now a catholic”! I do street ministry twice a month, and one of the things we tell prospective Christians is, that you don’t have to be in church to be saved; Jesus will meet you where you are!:thumbsup:I think the crux of my message is, that you are saved in spite of the church!

I realize that you, as a Protestant, have a very different view of “the Church” than we Catholics do; but surely you don’t think people being saved “in spite of the church” is a biblical idea, do you?

BTW, who’s pa?

 

[1beleevr]

You would have to have a sense of humor, to understand the quip about Pa; a sense of humor is a human condition, bestowed upon most of us! I guess the battle here is between us who don’t believe that you need the catholic church to be saved, and those(catholics) who doBetween those of us for whom the pope is just another man of God, and to the others(catholics who refer to him as holy father Those of us who do not wear the label of catholic, can be and are saved by the blood of the Lamb, and are afforded the same right to eternal life, without the rituals that some religions demand or highly suggest of their followers! Being saved in spite of the church, doesn’t necessarily mean, that you shouldn’t be a part of a church family, it means, that you don’t need the church to be saved, hence the reference to to Acts 8:30-38! Personally, I don’t waste a lot of time worrying about whether a person is a part of an organized religion or not, because I am denominationally blind; you don’t need to belong to one:thumbsup:And furthermore, the catholic answer has not been the right one for me, for my 42 years as a member of the Bride of Christ:thumbsup:And I know that my groom will not get cold feet Let’s face it; everyday we interact with others, who do not agree with us, grate on our nerves, and just plain make us madBut thanks to the peace of Christ, we can learn to love even themAnd although it seems as though I hate catholics(because I don’t agree with their viewpoint) nothing could be further from the truth Search all my posts and find one instance of hate-filled, anger-laced language towards catholics:shrug:I work in prison and deal with difficult people on a daily basis; on both sides of the bars! So, blessings to all my catholic brothers and sisters in Christ!

 

[1beleevr]

Yo PeterJ: Any thoughts about my cathoic friend, who’s been married for 37 years to a wife, who does not fully embrace the catholic lifestyle, although he is a “cradle” catholic Would they be considered equally yoked? And what is the church’s position on interfaith marriage? Whose church do they get married in; is one or the other obligated to convert? I know many interfaith couples, in fact just met one last week(he’s raised catholic, his wife is Jewish), who get along extremely well

 

[Rocky]

Yo PeterJ: Any thoughts about my cathoic friend, who’s been married for 37 years to a wife, who does not fully embrace the catholic lifestyle, although he is a “cradle” catholic Would they be considered equally yoked? And what is the church’s position on interfaith marriage? Whose church do they get married in; is one or the other obligated to convert? I know many interfaith couples, in fact just met one last week(he’s raised catholic, his wife is Jewish), who get along extremely well

I know an evangelical minister pastoring a church for the second time. The first church he pastored he had to leave because of adulterous affairs with women of the church—even though he was married to a woman who was of his faith and they had children. He divorced his wife, but did not remarry. Were this couple equally yoked? (And is it right for him to minister now to another congregation?)

 

[Peter_J]

You would have to have a sense of humor, to understand the quip about Pa; a sense of humor is a human condition, bestowed upon most of us!

You’re awfully touchy today, aren’t you?

I don’t have time to post most now, but in a few hours I’ll try and respond to the rest of your post.

 

[1beleevr]

When it all falls apart, and you fear for your heart, there’s a tower of peace, it’s still the Cross! All the things of this earth shall pass away!

 

[orange_man]

That is true. But when you are saved, you become Catholic because you become a member of Christ’s Church.

Christ said there will be only One flock and One Shepherd.

yeah … but the pope isn’t the shepherd Christ was referring to

 

[orange_man]

It is correct not to believe in denominations like the born again sects sprouting everywhere. However, believe in the Church, the body of Christ, the pillar and foundation of the truth. You have to follow Jesus but do not reject his body, the Church.

the pillar and foundation of truth??? Gosh, you guys need a new slogan

The Presbyterian and Reformed churches are the pillar and foundation of truth, every other church is built on sophistic babble (they delude themselves into thinking constitutes sound theology).

 

[Rocky]

I know an evangelical minister pastoring a church for the second time. The first church he pastored he had to leave because of adulterous affairs with women of the church–even though he was married to a woman who was of his faith and they had children. He divorced his wife but did not remarry. Were this couple equally yoked? (And is it right for him to minister now to another congregation?)

 

[1beleevr]

Rocky J: Just goes to show you, that sex scandals can happen in any religious sect, huh? I for one believe that this pastor, if he has indeed been found guilty of indiscretions of an adulterous nature, be removed from the pulpit! It would be the height of hypocrisy and blasphemy, if he were just forgiven(verbally) and allowed to continue preachingI’m not sure how this applies to my original questions about interfaith marriage, but I would hope you’re not painting a broad picture of non-catholic pastoral behavior, considering the crimes of catholic priests, committed in the not-too-distant past! I can tell you honestly, Rocky, that I(speaking strictly for myself) did not accuse ALL catholic priests of immoral behavior, based on the actions of a few It’s like my job, working in prison; one of us gets arrested, and the media promotes the idea that we’re all on the take! Anyway, I was just curious about how the church felt about interfaith marriage!

 

[1beleevr]

Peter J: No, sir, I’m not "touchy, today, are you?

 

[Rocky]

Rocky J: Just goes to show you, that sex scandals can happen in any religious sect, huh? I for one believe that this pastor, if he has indeed been found guilty of indiscretions of an adulterous nature, be removed from the pulpit! It would be the height of hypocrisy and blasphemy, if he were just forgiven(verbally) and allowed to continue preachingI’m not sure how this applies to my original questions about interfaith marriage, but I would hope you’re not painting a broad picture of non-catholic pastoral behavior, considering the crimes of catholic priests, committed in the not-too-distant past! I can tell you honestly, Rocky, that I(speaking strictly for myself) did not accuse ALL catholic priests of immoral behavior, based on the actions of a few It’s like my job, working in prison; one of us gets arrested, and the media promotes the idea that we’re all on the take! Anyway, I was just curious about how the church felt about interfaith marriage!

I am not equating this pastor to all pastors everywhere—
But I am wondering how you define equally yoked, and if this couple were equally yoked—

And as to this particular person, after a number of years basically he just started another church—

 

[1beleevr]

You know something, Orange Man: Jesus has always been, and will always be my Shepherd(John10:3-4,11-13) The pope, like many other men of God, is just that, a MAN of God(emphasis on MAN)

 

[1beleevr]

Rocky: If I had to throw out a theory, based on the Biblical phrase,“Don’t be unequally yoked”, I would have to say, it would apply most likely, to sinners being married to Christians! In this scenario, it seems to me that they would be working against God’s plan, but I believe that the believer, could have an impact on the non believer’s life, and may lead them to Christ! Is the marriage I described earlier, acceptable to the catholic church? You know, the "cradle catholic, married 37 years, to a wife, who for whatever reason, does not and has not, fully embraced the catholic lifestyle? Is she saved, by virtue of being married to a catholic?

 

[Rocky]

Rocky: If I had to throw out a theory, based on the Biblical phrase,“Don’t be unequally yoked”, I would have to say, it would apply most likely, to sinners being married to Christians! In this scenario, it seems to me that they would be working against God’s plan, but I believe that the believer, could have an impact on the non believer’s life, and may lead them to Christ! Is the marriage I described earlier, acceptable to the catholic church? You know, the "cradle catholic, married 37 years, to a wife, who for whatever reason, does not and has not, fully embraced the catholic lifestyle? Is she saved, by virtue of being married to a catholic?

No one is saved simply by virtue of being married to another human being—
Why would you think that Catholics believe this?

 

[josie_L]

yeah … but the pope isn’t the shepherd Christ was referring to

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, " Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?" He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you,” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, " Tend my sheep." He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had a said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep. . .”

 

[cazayoux]

Rocky: If I had to throw out a theory, based on the Biblical phrase,“Don’t be unequally yoked”, I would have to say, it would apply most likely, to sinners being married to Christians! In this scenario, it seems to me that they would be working against God’s plan, but I believe that the believer, could have an impact on the non believer’s life, and may lead them to Christ! Is the marriage I described earlier, acceptable to the catholic church? You know, the "cradle catholic, married 37 years, to a wife, who for whatever reason, does not and has not, fully embraced the catholic lifestyle? Is she saved, by virtue of being married to a catholic?

One of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is long-suffering.
This marriage you describe is usually the example I give to my eighth grade religion class for this fruit.
That person praying 37 years for that spouse, the person they love the most (agape love), to open themselves to Jesus, is beneficial without a doubt. We are called to pray for each other.

michel

 

[josie_L]

the pillar and foundation of truth??? Gosh, you guys need a new slogan

The Presbyterian and Reformed churches are the pillar and foundation of truth, every other church is built on sophistic babble (they delude themselves into thinking constitutes sound theology).

Then you believe that Jesus is a liar.