What teachings would the Catholic Church have to drop for you to be a catholic

[Rocky]

One of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is long-suffering.
This marriage you describe is usually the example I give to my eighth grade religion class for this fruit.
That person praying 37 years for that spouse, the person they love the most (agape love), to open themselves to Jesus, is beneficial without a doubt. We are called to pray for each other.

michel

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[joe370]

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The Church is every born again believer that ever lived and will ever live.

I don’t believe in denominations, I believe that we need to trust the Lord Jesus Christ and follow him only.

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So, you are saying that there is only one invisible church in the world today, and every born again believer that ever lived and will ever live, belongs to that one invisible church…you are saying that they all share the same truths vis-a-vis any one doctrine found in the holy bible, codified/canonized by a very visible church in the 4th century??? If 2 people have opposing beliefs, e.g. sola scriptura via private interpretation, do we take it to the church or our respective bibles for arbitration?

I don’t believe in the man-made doctrine, sola scriptura via private interpretation, but it still exists, just as different, competing denominations or churches exist, in the world today; that is an undeniable fact! Perhaps I misunderstood; did you mean: you don’t believe in the teachings of all those man-made churches??? How does one go about trusting the Lord Jesus Christ, and following Him only? Did Christ build a church, which is His BODY, to which He said, He is the Head and Savior, or write a collection of books? Is His church, built on the apostles and prophets, with Him as the Divine Cornerstone, the pillar and foundation of truth, or is it the holy bible, which by the way, [the word bible] --can’t be found in the bible, the pillar and foundation of truth? Remember, as per the man-made doctrine, sola scriptura, if it’s not in the bible, it’s not to be believed!!! Jesus’ established church, circa 33 AD is mentioned over 100 times in the bible, and it was very visible to Jesus’ Apostles…very visible to Saint Paul!

 

[1beleevr]

Josie L: The recurring theme, in the passage you have provided, is Jesus telling Peter,“Feed MY sheep”! I don’t believe you can make a case for Jesus turning over His title of Shepherd to Peter

 

[1beleevr]

Okay, someone asked me this question the other day, and I didn’t have the right answer, just speculation:“Do catholics use Acts 2:38-39, to validate their children’s confirmation?” I told this person, I would ask someone in CAF

 

[joe370]

Originally Posted by orange_man View Post
the pillar and foundation of truth??? Gosh, you guys need a new slogan

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**You mean, GOD needs a new slogan --right??? To whom are you referring, when you say, “you guys?” **

The Presbyterian and Reformed churches are the pillar and foundation of truth, every other church is built on sophistic babble (they delude themselves into thinking constitutes sound theology).

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All of the reformed churches are the pillar and foundation of truth, even though they all have competing truths? To which churches are you referring, when you say, "every other church is built on sophistic babble (they delude themselves into thinking constitutes sound theology)."

 

[Rocky]

Okay, someone asked me this question the other day, and I didn’t have the right answer, just speculation:“Do catholics use Acts 2:38-39, to validate their children’s confirmation?” I told this person, I would ask someone in CAF

Tell me, does your church confirm baptized persons?
At what age are baptisms allowed in your church?

It may be easier to answer your question with this information—

 

[joe370]

Josie L: The recurring theme, in the passage you have provided, is Jesus telling Peter,“Feed MY sheep”! I don’t believe you can make a case for Jesus turning over His title of Shepherd to Peter

Hey 1believer…

If not Peter, then who? Who is to feed Jesus’ sheep, while He is away, temporally speaking??? Who is to shepherd Jesus’ flock, in this temporal world??? What did Jesus mean when He told Peter alone, to: “feed my sheep,” 3 times?

Did Jesus turn over His title of Shepherd to a mere man/men, or did He, as GOD, retain that title and endow HIS established church, circa 33 AD, on Pentecost, with authority, via the Infallible Holy Spirit, to teach the world, starting in Jerusalem, then through out Judea and Samaria, and finally to the ends of the earth —all that HE commanded HIS Apostolic Church, long before the bible ever existed??? If so, was this to be done in perpetuity, hence the words: *“I am with you always, until the end of the age?” *

*"Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.” *

 

[1beleevr]

And I still believe that the only three whom are infallible, are, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit! As for Peter, we all know that Jesus was speaking to Peter, as to “feeding His sheep”. But we also know, that Peter died a horrible martyr’s death and so the job of feeding the sheep was taken up by other Christians And of course, we know that He didn’t just mean “feed” them materially! He meant spiritually also! Today, because of Christ’s death on the Cross, and subsequent resurrection, and His exhortation in Matthew 28:19-20, we are ALL to feed the sheep; to carry rhe message of hope and Good News to all ends of the earth! The pope is not Christ on earth, nor do we heed his teachings; they are for catholics only:thumbsup:

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Craig and 1Beleever,

You are correct about not having to be a Catholic to be saved… but, only up to a point!

I would heartily concur with that affirmation.

We are all required to follow the lights of our conscience and we are all expected to have a well-formed conscience. Those who think stealing is OK because they have stolen all of their lives do not have a properly formed conscience - it has been systematically killed by repeated indifference to doing what is wrong.

Gentelmen, your job is to make an informed and honest decision about following Christ. There is an abundance of scripture that clearly indicates that Christ founded the CC and that it is open and available to you today. There are those who disagree with this statement. And, there is the rub: to not become a Catholic because one sincerely believes it is a false religion and the one you are currently in (founded by a man) is God’s true religion is one position. To not join the Catholic faith because of laziness, fear or some other human consideration won’t get you the pass you are looking for.

God bless,

 

[1beleevr]

tqualey: Greetings to you, in the Name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! Craig and I are not necessarily a part of the same denomination(non-denominational for me), but we do think a lot alike! And, I believe that by accepting Christ as our Saviour, we already have our passes! If God had wanted me to be a catholic, I would have been one by now! To put it bluntly, I have been turned off to the catholic church, by those catholics that I have known and befriended(friends with many, before I knew they were catholic). Many of them are very arrogant and condescending(which doesn’t mean you all are). My former fiance was raised catholic, and changed over to nondenominational, all on her own! So, my brother in Christ, I for one am secure in my salvation, and have been for 42 years; no catholicism necessary! And as far as I know, the only verse that catholics use to validate their religion(a despicable word, to say the least), is Matthew 16:18, which of course is still up for debate, amongst non catholics But, tqualey, rejoice in your choice, and we shall rejoice in ours! The most important choice I ever made was on May 15, 1967, when I gave my life to Jesus! Romans 8:31-39

 

[Peter_J]

Hi 1beleevr,

As promised, I’ve more responses to your posts. But let me preface them by saying that I can’t realistically respond to your posts and all the posts that have been made by Catholics in response to your posts; hence, my responses to your posts may be slightly out of the context of the overall “thread”. (Note: If you believe that “I heard a Catholic say Y, so therefore Y is ‘the Catholic position’” is a valid argument, then please say so at once.)

Yo PeterJ: Any thoughts about my cathoic friend, who’s been married for 37 years to a wife, who does not fully embrace the catholic lifestyle, although he is a “cradle” catholic Would they be considered equally yoked? And what is the church’s position on interfaith marriage? Whose church do they get married in; is one or the other obligated to convert? I know many interfaith couples, in fact just met one last week(he’s raised catholic, his wife is Jewish), who get along extremely well

For a Catholic person to marry a Jewish person (or any non-Christian) is not automatically allowed by the RCC, but it is sometimes allowed by dispensation.

 

[Peter_J]

And I still believe that the only three whom are infallible, are, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit!

I can agree with this statement because you said “are infallible”.

On the other hand, I wouldn’t say that St. Paul was infallible, but I would say that he exercised infallibility at certain times (when he wrote Romans, Galatians …)

 

[Peter_J]

When it all falls apart, and you fear for your heart, there’s a tower of peace, it’s still the Cross! All the things of this earth shall pass away!

Amen.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, 1beleever,

OK… I’ll bite…

Josie L: The recurring theme, in the passage you have provided, is Jesus telling Peter,“Feed MY sheep”! I don’t believe you can make a case for Jesus turning over His title of Shepherd to Peter

just when do you think Christ turned over His role (much more then a mere title) to Peter?

God bless

 

[benedictus2]

You would have to have a sense of humor, to understand the quip about Pa; a sense of humor is a human condition, bestowed upon most of us! I guess the battle here is between us who don’t believe that you need the catholic church to be saved,

Honey that is the biggest lie you have ever mouthed.

You are saved because of the Catholic Church. You may be outside of it now but it is because of the Catholic Church that you are saved.

Know why? Because without the Catholic Church you will not even know about Jesus. Every single denomination is a branch of of the Catholic Church.

Some are direct branches (Lutherans, Anglicans) while others are branches of the branches.

Yes, around 1500 they started coming up with false doctrines (actually before that there were already heresies as well) but whatever semblance of truth you posses you got from the Catholic Church.

The Bible you love so much came from the Catholic Church.

So yes, salvation comes from the Catholic Church. As much as you may rebel against that it is one truth there is no getting away from.

THIS IS THE WAY GOD WILLED IT.

It is only abject ignorance that allows you to make such statements.

 

[benedictus2]

the pillar and foundation of truth??? Gosh, you guys need a new slogan

The Presbyterian and Reformed churches are the pillar and foundation of truth, every other church is built on sophistic babble (they delude themselves into thinking constitutes sound theology).

You cannot back that up with Scripture nor history.

All protestant churches can only go as far back as the 1500s. When Paul wrote the letter to Timothy, the protestant churches were not even a germ of an idea.

The lies you believe to comfort yourself!

 

[benedictus2]

tqualey: Greetings to you, in the Name of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! Craig and I are not necessarily a part of the same denomination(non-denominational for me), but we do think a lot alike!

Perhaps, but Craig actually puts forth rational arguments. His objections are well thought out. Probably because he does read.

 

[benedictus2]

My former fiance was raised catholic, and changed over to nondenominational, all on her own!

Another under catechized soul trading the counterfeit for the real gem.

 

[benedictus2]

I know an evangelical minister pastoring a church for the second time. The first church he pastored he had to leave because of adulterous affairs with women of the church–even though he was married to a woman who was of his faith and they had children. He divorced his wife but did not remarry. Were this couple equally yoked? (And is it right for him to minister now to another congregation?)

:clapping:

 

[benedictus2]

yeah … but the pope isn’t the shepherd Christ was referring to

Christ is the ultimate Shepherd but He delegated that job to Peter, the first Pope. The Pope then becomes the vicar of Christ here on earth.

So we will be gathered into the one flock via the Pope whom CHRIST HAS CHOSEN to shepherd his flock.