Can you prove that the Holy Spirit had anything to do with the Catholic church’s mandate on contraception in the first place? And please don’t through the timeless rhetoric of how Jesus founded “only” the Roman Catholic church and how it has the authority to do anything and everything.So, you believe that the Holy Spirit can “change His mind” and overturn the moral law to support a racist agenda?
Not “living faith,” which was the term you used. A person can have true faith without charity, but but not living faith without charity.
But this was already a major theme in Christian theology, especially (though not exclusively) in the West. One thinks immediately, for example, of Franciscan theology.
Nor I. I’ve read some portions, and Balthasar’s book about him, but that was over 15 years ago.
I think the primary problem was subjecting theology to nominalist presuppositions. The Reformers didn’t invent nominalism, of course, but what they did with it was devastating.
I see what you’re saying. Sometimes I think Wright overstates, in his zeal for correction.And that’s good. I’m just saying that in that time period, lay Catholics who could afford Bibles or Bible portions, or who had easy enough access to them, did regularly read them, as they had been encouraged to do for many hundreds of years. People of the time wrote about it.
I’ve been to many Protestant and Catholic churches with Sunday schools, and in my limited experience, most of them-- both Protestant and Catholic-- do it badly. I’m not at all opposed in principle, but I’ve rarely seen it done well by anyone.
A lot of them have avoided our “Jesus-is-my-12-step-sponsor” only to fall into “Jesus-is-my-preteen-crush-isn’t-he-dreamy?”
Given that the this is the week for Unity (at least that’s what I heard on a Catholic radio station this morning), why do you feel the need to put down those who are not Catholic which is how this sarcastic comment seems to come off. Perhaps you didn’t mean it that way and sincerely wanted to know. If so, I’m sorry I took it wrong.
I’d rather girls want to be with Jesus than Edward Cullen anyday.A lot of them have avoided our “Jesus-is-my-12-step-sponsor” only to fall into “Jesus-is-my-preteen-crush-isn’t-he-dreamy?”
Because excluding these doctrines isn’t heretical. They are late additions or non-essentials. The clutter of ‘saints’ in the Catholic pantheon virtually guarantees this church’s popularity, in line with Rome and Greek religions, which deeply influenced Christianity, and Hinduism with its pantheon of gods. Everyone likes to believe in little gods of this and that, Ganesh the elephant-headed Overcomer of Obstacles, a favorite of mine, or St. Anthony of Padua, who find things. Everyone likes to believe in a Goddess, whether it’s Mary, Athena, or Isis. It was common in the ancient world for famous people to be born of virgins: Aristotle was supposed to have been born of one. It was a way of saying that the person was special, out of the ordinary. There are a lot of people who like to be told what to do by someone who is ‘infallible’. Therefore power tends to accumulate in the hands of the few, whether it’s the Vatican, Moscow or Peking.
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Dear my Izoid,The circumstances show that you are simply a troll and have nothing meaningful to contribute.
For your information I did not make the Manson comment. Someone added that to my original post.( I believe Justy posted that) Before you speak something rude and obnoxious make sure that you know what you are talking about. I have been on this forum for over a year and if I have been called anything it is the exact opposite of your ignorant statement. Enjoy being reported.
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My comments were directed at Justy and not you. I find it very sad that you automatically jumped the gun and got hostile. Hopefully you will be able to calm down a bit and let cooler heads prevail.
Notice how the quotes have gotten all messed up, it even happened in your attempt to quote me as well as in my attempt to quote you above…
I think it was quite clear that I was speaking to the poster of the Manson comment. If that was not you, which it wasn’t, you should not take ownership of it by getting all bent out of shape.
The Apostles forbade the use of contraception in the Didache (written in 50 AD for the instruction of the Catechumens); are you telling me that they were not being led by the Holy Spirit?
and what form of contraception do you suppose they used in 50AD? Fig leaf diaphrams?
I believe ancient Egyptian women used lemons and alligator dung (not at the same time, I don’t think).
Thanks for the info. I thought that’s what the alligator dung was supposed to be used for.Actually if you read about it, I was surprised to find out how common the idea of contraception was in the ancient world! Different herbal compounds and medicines were taken with the express knowledge that they were abortifacient. Just Google it or go to Wikipedia and there is plenty about it. Fig leaf diaphragms were phased out because they chaffed the inner thights
Thanks for the info. I thought that’s what the alligator dung was supposed to be used for.
Ewww. That ranks right up there with my old neighbors famous fish soup. That garbage stunk so bad that you could diet for a week without any problem at all after smelling it.Alligator dung was better to be used as dormant spray for fruit trees. I think you’re thinking of ferrit urine.
Herbal contraception, along with “cesarean” abortions (so called because Caligula Caesar used this method to get rid of his own unborn children, because he feared that if they were allowed to be born, they would murder him and take his throne - not an unfounded fear, all things considered).
I agree.
There is a similar thread on Baptistboard.com that asks the same question about Catholicism. It’s nothing but a setup to slam Catholics. I didn’t like it there and I don’t like it here.
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