Have you ever watched the shows? Are you just as disgusted with Sex in the City, because these shows are similar, tailored for a homosexual audience.These are the same folks who carry “Queer as Folk”, “The L Word” and other such family classics
What should be done, if anything?
So what in the Bible is a fable or false?
The Bible is a book written by man, as a guide. I do not believe that the Bible suddenly fell from the sky in God’s handwriting. I don’t think that it is false, but it is a collection of stories used to convey a moral belief. So many of the stories ar so far fetched that its impossible to view them as anything but a story with a moral. I think that there are some great things written in the Bible and it should be followed, but within reason. Believing that Noah actually put two of each and every single solitary breed of animal onto a wooden boat is outrageous, but its a very nice story. And another thing to point out is that the Bible was written over 2000 years ago. Times have changed considerably since then, but the Bible has not. Imagine if we lived in this country by the laws that were enacted only 200 years ago. It would be chaos. Things do not stay the same and to try to live our lives by a book that will never adapt to change is NOT how i choose to live.
Heavens, then why are you here? I heard a priest describe the Biblical writings thusly : “The Bible is true. Some of the events actually happened.” IOW you are falling into the trap of mistaking truth for fact. There is a difference. Eternal truths do not change with the times or whims of society. It is still wrong to murder, commit adultery, covet, worship false gods—etc etc etc. Whether there were stone tablets is irrelevant. The Ten Commandments are as true now as they were when Moses brought them down from the mountain.
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May I ask what is so Anti-Catholic about the movie? Being for the TRUTH is far from being anti-catholic. The Fact of the matter is that Cardinal Law is as guilty for covering up these pedophile priests and silencing the victims, as a mafia boss is for ordering a killing and shutting up the family, whether with threats or money, no different.
Pedophiles by definition are attracted to PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN. If you read the Jay report the majority of victims were not in that age range. The majority were OVER 10 years of age. Many were in their teens or even late teens. A pedophile looks for a little child, not a teen. Much of their attraction is to the sexual immaturity of the child. A sexually mature or maturing youth would not be attractive to a pedophile.
I have not (and will not) watch this movie. However I did read the book it is based on. It is a HUGE book but quite readable. However whether the book was a litany of facts or carefully spun versions of anecdotes that selectively omitted information that would make the church look less irresponsible is questionable. I believe these writers had an agenda and it WAS to make the Church look like it almost deliberately threw children into the hands of predatory homosexual priests.
It’s very different because the mafia boss is ORDERING the killing whereas Cardinal Law certainly didn’t instruct the predatory priests to prey upon and victimize the young men. No I do not think Cardinal Law was lilly white in this sordid mess. But I do not think for a second that he intended to allow the behavior to continue (yeah yeah I know about the road to he*l). It’s very easy with hindsight to look back at a time when we were relatively unsophisticated with respect to sexual perverts and the near impossibility of curing them…particularly with the methods available at the time.
This movie is HARDLY an expose. It’s all old news. Are you suggesting the church HASNT done anything? Good grief! We have singlehandedly created an entire industry to provide financial assistance to hundreds of attorneys.
No one is defending the guilty priests. How many have been defrocked? Sent to jail? Murdered while in jail? Sued? Where have you been dmgs11?
Start? My diocese has already paid out FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS. I think that’s a start don’t you? There have been new procedures instituted. There is a zero tolerance standard. You act as if the Church has spent the past five years ignoring the issue.
Frankly I don’t think the issue is taken care of ‘once and for all’ The lawsuits continue. I just read about a diocese selling ALL of its properties to fund lawsuits. I am unsure as to how this will ‘help’ the victims but it does make some attorneys very rich. Do I think the victims deserve compensation. Sure. But how much? I find the awards grossly excessive and getting to the punitive level.
How can you have opinions on a movie you have never even seen? Cardinal Law DID KNOWINGLY assign Pedophile Priests to various parishes.
It is not so different when talking about the victims and the victims family. The church threatened silence with money and used God and the Chuch as Power. That is NO DIFFERENT!
I think there has not been a fair condenming of the priests. Some priests recieved over 100’s of accusation, and received a merely max. of 10 years in prison. If a man molested 100’s of young boys, 10 years would be a minimum in the court and publics eye. Defrocking should not even be a question, but a MUST! It is the LEAST the church can do. Registering as SEXUAL PREDATORS should be mandatory, whether the priest goes to trial or not.
Money is not the issue. The victims are the issue. Screw spening the money in law-suits and start spending the money for therapy and counceling for the victims and their families. Many of these young men become addicts, abusers, or victims of suicide because they think they have done wrong, when it is Priests walking around with Hard-On’s for your Devout Catholic children.
The problem with OLD NEWS is that people assume the problem is over. For example, do we hear of the damage that still exisists over in the Indian Ocean from the Tsunami? No. Is there still horrific damages, of course. Someone needs to keep this in the news, ESPECIALLY since we have a new Pope. New power needs to know the problem has not gone away and the victims WILL NOT STAY SILENCED ANY LONGER!!!
How can you call programming you have never watched Trash? I don’t understand how people such as yourself can have such an opinion when you have never PERSONALLY experienced the programming.
I am Catholic and I can support the accusations. Also other faiths DO NOT FOLLOW THE CHRISTIAN faith so saying they have had un-Christian-like problems is irrelevant, they have their own problems. Except in other faiths there is no cover up for pedophiles and there is no RAPING OF YOUNG CHILDREN.
I read the book on which the movie is based so I understand the perspective that will be provided.
Many of the cases were not prosecuted because the statute of limitations had passed. It may not be fair but that is the law. Further you wish to pass judgment based on accusations, rather than proof. If a priest has been proven to be a predator then yes defrocking is appropriate. Do you know of cases where a priest was proven to be an abuser and is still wearing his collar? As to registering as a sexual predator, you mean based only on accusation? You certainly don’t seem to understand how the laws in this country work. You must be proven guilty first.
Cut the vulgarities please. I have already reported you to the mods for that statement. Are you unaware of the money spent for counseling, therapy and recompense for suffering? You seem to be living in a time warp. Much of these steps are already in place. As to the men becoming addicts, abusers etc BECAUSE of the priest abuse, you need to provide some proximate cause. Even the Boston Globe reporters stated that often the young men had many problems in addition to the priest abuse issue. In fact they claimed that the priests focused on the more troubled youth as being easier victims. So that they became addicts or suffered mental illness could be the result of a combination of problems, but only the Catholic church has money and thus only the Church is being sued.
Hello??? We don’t need to keep it on the front pages. I don’t think a day goes by when there isn’t something in the news about the priest abuse scandal, the lawsuits, or the bankruptcies.
Silenced? What ARE you talking about? Again where have you been for the past five years? Do you not think this is still buried in the catacombs of the archdiocese?
An unsubstantiated comment. Do you have a shred of evidence that the “leaders” were molesting anyone or do you just want to stir up more anger?
A table and a few chairs? PUH-LEASE! Our diocese has already paid out 50 MILLION DOLLARS and we have claims pending that exceed FOUR HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS. Do you think that tables and chairs are that expensive?
Again you need to get a grip and avoid the vulgarities. There are not hundreds of thousands of victims. Not that a single victim isn’t absolutely inexcusable but if you want to make a point try to sound a bit more rational and substantiate your arguments with a few facts.
