What to do with a King James Bible

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KathleenGee said:
We already believe-- as you say – in Jesus for our salvation.

But our faith is not one based on quotes or doctrines in the air…

You do not understand us but what you have been told how to understand us…

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Don’t be sorry. You are very gracious in your posts and I appreciate that for whats its worth. its hard to state what you believe and fight for it and not be villainized, lol. I won’t try to understand anything except for scripture then. That way there is no misunderstanding. John 6:47 That’s it. it’s that simple! So my point is if that’s the end goal, as I assume most people are seeking salvation, why would you need anything else? You could be saved by believing in the Word, trusting Christ as Savior, and accepting the free gift of eternal salvation. So I say if you truly trust Christ, walk away from the CC. Walk away from all the traditions, trust Christ as your Savior, and see if he fulfills his promise that you will have eternal life. Nowhere after John 6:47 does it say- “and go to confessional” or “and take part in Eucharist” or “attend Mass”. So why go through all that when all of that seems to add on to the plan of salvation? it seems to me that by doing all that you are trying to “ensure” salvation by works, no? In Luke 11 isn’t Jesus blasting traditions of men? Please explain, if you wish, how I’m misunderstanding what more you need than belief on the Son of God? Because if that’s essentially what you’re saying the CC believes on for salvation, then explain why the Eucharist is necessary for anyone, at any time, please.
 
ariel9302 said:
Don’t be sorry. You are very gracious in your posts and I appreciate that for whats its worth. its hard to state what you believe and fight for it and not be villainized, lol. I won’t try to understand anything except for scripture then. That way there is no misunderstanding. John 6:47 That’s it. it’s that simple! So my point is if that’s the end goal, as I assume most people are seeking salvation, why would you need anything else? You could be saved by believing in the Word, trusting Christ as Savior, and accepting the free gift of eternal salvation. So I say if you truly trust Christ, walk away from the CC. Walk away from all the traditions, trust Christ as your Savior, and see if he fulfills his promise that you will have eternal life. Nowhere after John 6:47 does it say- “and go to confessional” or “and take part in Eucharist” or “attend Mass”. So why go through all that when all of that seems to add on to the plan of salvation? it seems to me that by doing all that you are trying to “ensure” salvation by works, no? In Luke 11 isn’t Jesus blasting traditions of men? Please explain, if you wish, how I’m misunderstanding what more you need than belief on the Son of God? Because if that’s essentially what you’re saying the CC believes on for salvation, then explain why the Eucharist is necessary for anyone, at any time, please.
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This is not a Catholic position nor it is Biblical. Belief alone is certainly not enough. A Christian must know what it entails by this belief. The Church will tell you what it is.

Tradition of man is useless and should not feature in the equation. However, the Traditions of the apostles are.
 
ariel9302 said:
Don’t be sorry. You are very gracious in your posts and I appreciate that for whats its worth. its hard to state what you believe and fight for it and not be villainized, lol. I won’t try to understand anything except for scripture then. That way there is no misunderstanding. John 6:47 That’s it. it’s that simple! So my point is if that’s the end goal, as I assume most people are seeking salvation, why would you need anything else? You could be saved by believing in the Word, trusting Christ as Savior, and accepting the free gift of eternal salvation. So I say if you truly trust Christ, walk away from the CC. Walk away from all the traditions, trust Christ as your Savior, and see if he fulfills his promise that you will have eternal life. Nowhere after John 6:47 does it say- “and go to confessional” or “and take part in Eucharist” or “attend Mass”. So why go through all that when all of that seems to add on to the plan of salvation? it seems to me that by doing all that you are trying to “ensure” salvation by works, no? In Luke 11 isn’t Jesus blasting traditions of men? Please explain, if you wish, how I’m misunderstanding what more you need than belief on the Son of God? Because if that’s essentially what you’re saying the CC believes on for salvation, then explain why the Eucharist is necessary for anyone, at any time, please.
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John 6: 53 *“Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man, and Drink His Blood you have no life in you.54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.” *I noticed that you conveniently left out the verses that did not make your argument about partaking in the Eucharist. It is a common misconception that the Catholic church is “ensuring” as you assert salvation by works. Even the best and lest of Fundamentalists knows that the Communion (Eucharist) is the spiritual food and drink of the Christian that cannot be avoided. You also cannot avoid daily feasting on God’s word either.

You also speak of works as if they are not part of any believers life; they are a result of faith. Did you cut this part out of your Bible?
James 2: 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Or
Hebrews 6: 10 For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Or
Galatians 5: 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

As to the attending Mass, it sounds from your comment that you are saying that regular attendance of church is wrong. Maybe you should re-read this verse:
Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

But my goodness look, there is doing works and assembling together all in those two verses. I gather by the tone of your last post that you maybe have cut those out of your Bible along with the preceding as Thomas Jefferson did because he did not agree with them. It is either that or you do no know enough about the Roman Catholic Church to understand why they do what they do and because of this you choose to attack them.

I am quite sure that you have “traditions” in your family that you observe in one form or another like having a Christmas tree, giving gifts at Christmas, giving gifts at birthdays, sending cards to relatives at certain times of the year, Thanksgiving dinner, and you name it. But lets look at a “tradition” of society, I would bet that you or members of your family wear particular style clothes (suit and ties dress or skirt), those are traditions of the society we live in. We follow some traditions all the time and yet you would call out the Roman Catholic Church for following age old traditions as well. It puts me in mind of when the disciples came to Jesus in Luke 9 and they told Him that they found people casting out demons in His name and the disciples forbade them to do so. Do you remember Jesus’ response? "49 Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.”
50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” Do not try and stop The Roman Catholic Church, they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ handed down to them from the apostles.

I am sure that I am going to get flack from my other Protestant brethren for defending the Catholic church in this manner but I felt I had to speak to this.
 
Wow Padrej… I was going to write my own post answering ariel9302 but having read your post I see my efforts would be unnecessary and redundant. Excellent post! Cheers! 👍
 
tweetymom said:
No it is not conjecture, it has been asked at our Church many times and always the same answer. Are you calling me a liar? Why on earth would I lie.?
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So, you have spoken to Mr & Mrs Average Catholic? Did you conduct a poll to find out just who the average Catholic is, and how much Bible study they engage in? If so, how many people did you question and from where?. If you did not conduct a poll (or even cite a poll) then what you said is conjecture. It’s what you think about the average Catholic, not what you know for a fact.So, no, I did not call you a liar.
 
ariel9302 said:
take it, run away from “religion”, read it, then believe in Jesus and accept his gift of eternal salvation. It’s all you need if you truly believe it’s the Word of God as you said. Salvation is in the blood of Jesus Christ. Not in the Pope, not in Mary, not in Mass, not in Eucharist, and not in the CC. All you need is the Word and faith.
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Well stated:thumbsup:
 
greggy53 said:
So, you have spoken to Mr & Mrs Average Catholic? Did you conduct a poll to find out just who the average Catholic is, and how much Bible study they engage in? If so, how many people did you question and from where?. If you did not conduct a poll (or even cite a poll) then what you said is conjecture. It’s what you think about the average Catholic, not what you know for a fact.So, no, I did not call you a liar.
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Thank you but a poll was taken at Church and only 15% said they read ther Bible daily.
 
tweetymom said:
Thank you but a poll was taken at Church and only 15% said they read ther Bible daily.
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Which would be an inadequate statistical sample, for the population “average Catholic”.

Whether it was a statistically adequate poll of that parish, there is not enough info to determine.

GKC
 
One other place I pick up Latin odds and ends is from my daughter. Classics/Latin degree, summa cum laude, and 5 years as a Latin teacher.

Good luck on the retina. Retinas can be tricky things.

GKC
 
tweetymom said:
Thank you but a poll was taken at Church and only 15% said they read ther Bible daily.
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GKC said:
Which would be an inadequate statistical sample, for the population “average Catholic”.

Whether it was a statistically adequate poll of that parish, there is not enough info to determine.

GKC
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Tweetymom, I’d have to go with GKC on this one. In the book “The Tide is Turning Toward Catholicism”, author David J. Hartline noted that
…even though the Diocese of Rochester had more Catholics than the dioceses of Lincoln and Omaha combined, Rochester had 6 men studying for the priesthood while Lincoln and Omaha had 64. That same year of 2006 Denver had 14 young men ordained to the priesthood (eleven in May and three earlier in the academic year) while Los Angeles had four; a staggering statistic when one considers that the Archdiocese of Los Angeles has 4,300,000 Catholic residents compared to 385,000 Catholics for the Archdiocese of Denver.
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(The Construct of Rebellion, American Catholic for Jan. 11, 2010)

If you were to study only the Diocese of Rochester, you would get a result totally opposite of studying the dioceses of Lincoln and Omaha. Likewise, studying your individual parish would undoubtedly lead to different results and conclusions than those of other parishes. BTW, did the survey ask how many read their Bibles weekly or monthly? IF only 15% read their Bibles daily but 51% read their bibles once a week or more, that might lead to different conclusions, wouldn’t it?
 
ariel9302 said:
take it, run away from “religion”, read it, then believe in Jesus and accept his gift of eternal salvation. It’s all you need if you truly believe it’s the Word of God as you said. Salvation is in the blood of Jesus Christ. Not in the Pope, not in Mary, not in Mass, not in Eucharist, and not in the CC. All you need is the Word and faith.
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And where does it say that “all you need is the word and faith” in the Bible?
 
greggy53 said:
And where does it say that “all you need is the word and faith” in the Bible?
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Unfortunately, our Baptist friend has been banned and will be unable to answer your question. I was bummed when I saw she was no longer with us, as I had just worked really hard on a post attempting to explain some things to her. Maybe one of our resident Baptists will speak to this…
 
Pixie_Dust said:
Unfortunately, our Baptist friend has been banned and will be unable to answer your question. I was bummed when I saw she was no longer with us, as I had just worked really hard on a post attempting to explain some things to her. Maybe one of our resident Baptists will speak to this…
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I see that now, must have said some pretty nasty things to get banned from this forum.
 
Statistical sampling and drawing conclusions therefrom, has rules.

GKC
Muzhik said:
Tweetymom, I’d have to go with GKC on this one. In the book “The Tide is Turning Toward Catholicism”, author David J. Hartline noted that

(The Construct of Rebellion, American Catholic for Jan. 11, 2010)

If you were to study only the Diocese of Rochester, you would get a result totally opposite of studying the dioceses of Lincoln and Omaha. Likewise, studying your individual parish would undoubtedly lead to different results and conclusions than those of other parishes. BTW, did the survey ask how many read their Bibles weekly or monthly? IF only 15% read their Bibles daily but 51% read their bibles once a week or more, that might lead to different conclusions, wouldn’t it?
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