What to do with a King James Bible

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Hello Single Mom,
Laugh all you’d like, the truth of the matter that as late as the early 1900’s Catholics were getting whipped in the streets of New York City for refusing to read aloud out of the KJV.
Try and give a Catholic Bible to a fundamentalist? Baptist? Evangelical, or a Jehovah Witness?
Me I have a collection of bibles, study Bibles of every faith I can get my hands on… I’ll read them and look for differences… but it doesn’t change the fact I am Catholic, nor will it ever. What Protestants will do is try to influence your beliefs first by showing the similarities, we’re almost the same, they may even impress you with their knowledge of the Bible and memorization of vss, then try to sweep you away from your belief, by accepting theirs. It all starts with giving you a bible, inviting you to a service, and meeting their tight knit community,which is one of their better strengths.
God bless,
John:highprayer:
I wasn’t laughing at people getting whipped. And I’d like to see the proof that people were being whipped in NYC in the 1900’s for not reading the KJV.

I was laughing because to me the logical thing to do with a Bible to me is to Read It.

I prefaced my laughter with the fact that I’d not yet read the OP, but just the title of the thread. Finding humor in things makes life bareable sometimes 👍 Especially when you are waiting for a telephone call that’s going to let you know if you have cancer or not…

Meanwhile, I have no idea why anyone who believes in Jesus Christ would refuse to read a Bible!!! Regardless of the translation (unless it was a New World Translation, which is not really a translation at all), it is the Word of God.

Yes, if you have the money to, then by all means give Protestants, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others a Catholic Bible!!! You should! I used to buy Pillar of Fire Pillar of Truth in bulk and give those out for free, but if I’d had the money, I would have also given out Catholic Bibles and the Catechism of the Catholic Church for free as well. God, in His Wisdom, did not allow my finances to grow large enough to do that.
 
Yes, I agree with the pp who said you should keep it at least for it’s literary value. You can’t be well read in English literature without being familiar with the KJV.
if your into literature keep it. if your into books and reading books keep it.

if your only interested in your faith donate it.

i had a born again give be a kjv. shes now my dads fiance. i get a kick out of saying to her im gonna read the bible you gave me, then sit and hold the book upside down and say “this makes no sense!”

i keep it because when she says “my bible doesnt say that” i show her that infact it does say that.
 
My daughter was given a King James Bible several years ago by a protestant who was trying to convert her.

I just found it and would like to know who I could give it to. It is not the complete Bible and I really have no need to keep it.

I would like to give it to some protestant organization, but don’t know who that would be.

It is the word of God although incomplete and I surely can’t just toss it out.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
I’ll take it!!!
 
Hello Single Mom,
Laugh all you’d like, the truth of the matter that as late as the early 1900’s Catholics were getting whipped in the streets of New York City for refusing to read aloud out of the KJV.
Try and give a Catholic Bible to a fundamentalist? Baptist? Evangelical, or a Jehovah Witness?
Me I have a collection of bibles, study Bibles of every faith I can get my hands on… I’ll read them and look for differences… but it doesn’t change the fact I am Catholic, nor will it ever. What Protestants will do is try to influence your beliefs first by showing the similarities, we’re almost the same, they may even impress you with their knowledge of the Bible and memorization of vss, then try to sweep you away from your belief, by accepting theirs. It all starts with giving you a bible, inviting you to a service, and meeting their tight knit community,which is one of their better strengths.
God bless,
John:highprayer:/QUOT
{;ease show us proof of this statement
 
Hello Single Mom,
Laugh all you’d like, the truth of the matter that as late as the early 1900’s Catholics were getting whipped in the streets of New York City for refusing to read aloud out of the KJV.
Try and give a Catholic Bible to a fundamentalist? Baptist? Evangelical, or a Jehovah Witness?
Me I have a collection of bibles, study Bibles of every faith I can get my hands on… I’ll read them and look for differences… but it doesn’t change the fact I am Catholic, nor will it ever. What Protestants will do is try to influence your beliefs first by showing the similarities, we’re almost the same, they may even impress you with their knowledge of the Bible and memorization of vss, then try to sweep you away from your belief, by accepting theirs. It all starts with giving you a bible, inviting you to a service, and meeting their tight knit community,which is one of their better strengths. . .
I’d love to say Protestants don’t do these things; but many do.

I think, in most cases, it is out of a sincere desire to bring the “lost” to Christ. The problem arises in seeing everyone, outside their particular church, as being “lost.”

I have a collection of Bibles, too, Bill. I, also, use them to compare passages. It didn’t take long to see the underlying preconceived beliefs behind certain Bible translations.

There are a few Amplified Bibles that seem to cross the line by adding commentary in the main body of text–identified only by parentheses. There is nothing wrong with commentary. I just do not think it belongs in the text of Holy Scripture. IMHO, commentary belongs in the Footnotes.

No question–the KJV contains more than one alteration of Scripture. Most KJV-only advocates claim the alterations are in the translations that contradict the KJV. Everyone has a viewpoint.

However, even Bibles which contain alterations have historical value in the study of the transmission of Scripture. They speak to the political and religious influences of particular groups at certain points in history.

Anna
 
And I’d like to see the proof that people were being whipped in NYC in the 1900’s for not reading the KJV.

I was laughing because to me the logical thing to do with a Bible to me is to Read It.

I prefaced my laughter with the fact that I’d not yet read the OP, but just the title of the thread. Finding humor in things makes life bareable sometimes :…

Meanwhile, I have no idea why anyone who believes in Jesus Christ would refuse to read a Bible!!! Regardless of the translation (unless it was a New World Translation, which is not really a translation at all), it is the Word of God.

Yes, if you have the money to, then by all means give Protestants, Jehovah’s Witnesses and others a Catholic Bible!!! You should! I used to buy Pillar of Fire Pillar of Truth in bulk and give those out for free, but if I’d had the money,.
Dear Single Mom
Try giving them a Catholic Bible!! They won’t take it not even to be polite
Were you around in the sixties? Black people were not treated very well politically, socially either.

I no Longer have the Book, Look up the History of the Irish Catholics, in NYC. I think it was the LaSalle brothers who started around this time… Irish and Catholics were looked on as the low of the Low, in fact they were not only no allowed,to join in the politics but there was actually a movement to ship them back to Ireland agenda. Watch Robert Wuhl HBO Special 'Assume the Position" He states it in plain english, on his show also.

hbo.com/events/rwuhl/

found this on utube:
‘Lousy leaders are as American as Apple pie’ He uses racy language in this but the gist is:

Pres. Milard Filmore, 1833, was not only an anti immigration, he wanted to throw the Irish Catholics out! [2:48 seconds into the video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUh...D83274E7D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

Fact:
The oldest Bias in these United States is Anti-Catholicism. Protestants have always feared coming under the authority of the Pope.
journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=FEA04CA21DFB616DD0F866824053C56B.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=5549
Few events have had a greater impact on urban America than the Irish Catholic exodus, which eventually brought one third of the Irish to the United States. Irish Catholics were the first ethnic group to immigrate in large numbers to America’s cities and to experience overt discrimination
I’ll get back to you on this got to find the Book.
Con’d
 
I wasn’t laughing at people getting whipped. And I’d like to see the proof that people were being whipped in NYC in the 1900’s for not reading the KJV.
URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American#Early_arrivals”]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American#Early_arrivals
Between 1820 and 1860, the Irish constituted over one third of all immigrants to the United States, and two-thirds of these Irish immigrants were Catholic. This trend reached its peak in 1840, when nearly half of all immigrants to the United States originated from Ireland.[7]
During and after the Great Irish Famine (or Great Hunger, Irish: An Gorta Mór) of 1845-1849, large numbers of Irish came to North America, primarily to Canada and the United States. Many who left Ireland for America during the famine and the years immediately following died en route due to poor shipboard conditions and disease. As a result the vessels they travelled on became known as coffin ships.[6]…
Recruiting drives to enlist recent Catholic Irish emigrants as field soldiers during the Mexican-American War and later the American Civil War proved troublesome for the U.S. Army,** most often due to anti-Catholic and anti-Irish attitudes in the U.S. military, but without employment many new immigrant Catholic Irish** wound up enlisting anyway. Draft riots occurred, the best known being the New York Draft Riots resulting from conscription** ordered by President Lincoln in 1863**.[9]

…Although the Irish Catholics started very low on the social status scale,** by 1900**, they had jobs and earnings about equal on average to their neighbors

It was common for Irish people to be discriminated against in social situations.[when?] Intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants was uncommon, and strongly discouraged by both ministers and priests.

Public schools relied heavily on the King James Version of the Bible, with passages considered derogatory by Catholics; an important response was the creation of a Catholic parochial school system. These schools, and numerous Catholic colleges, allowed Irish youth to be educated without this discrimination in public school systems.
Prejudice against Irish Catholics in the US reached a peak in the mid-1850s with the Know Nothing Movement, which tried to oust Catholics from public office. Thomas Hardy and Thomas Nast published popular political cartoons of Irish drinking, fighting, ignoring their children, gambling, and crowding poorhouses.

New York Times want ad **1854–**the only New York Times ad with NINA for men.
A common example of discrimination were signs reading “HELP WANTED - NO IRISH NEED APPLY", which were also referred to as "the NINA signs.” NINA signs were common in London in the early 1800s, and the memory of this discrimination in Britain was imported to the US. After 1860 the Irish sang songs (see illustration) about NINA signs, and these songs have had a deep impact on the Irish sense of discrimination. NINA signs existed in the US, as depicted in the New York Times ad and the lyrics of the song noted here. Some argue that this discrimination did not exist or was minimal, or that these signs were not as pervasive as many believe,[18] but, regardless of the extent of its existence or pervasiveness, these two examples show that discrimination did indeed exist. NINA signs continue to be referred to in modern times.
Irish were credited with dominating the most difficult and dangerous jobs in the East building railroads needed for oil refining and for the trans-continental railroads, but were gradually replaced as the transcontinental railroad went West where Asian American labor was cheaper and less likely to demand union representation.[19] According to Stephen Ambrose, approximately one-third of the workers died building the trenches for the tracks, often disappearing, never to be brought home.

July 1863, Nee York Draft Riots,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Draft_Riots

The New York State Militia was absent, having been sent to assist Union troops in Pennsylvania, leaving the police to deal with the riots.[15] The police superintendent, John Kennedy, came by on Monday to check on the situation. Although he was not in uniform, he was recognized by people in the mob and they attacked him. Kennedy was left nearly unconscious, having had his face bruised and cut, an injured eye, swelled lips, his hand cut with a knife, and a mass of bruises and blood all over his body.[17] In response, police drew their clubs and revolvers, and charged the crowd, but the crowd overpowered them.[8] The police forces were badly outnumbered and unable to quell the riots; however, they were able to keep the rioting out of Lower Manhattan, below Union Square.[18] Immigrants and others in the “Bloody Sixth” Ward, around the seaport, refrained from getting involved in the Draft Riots, having experienced more than enough violence in the 1830s and 1850s.[19]
 
You mentioned it was incomplete… oh, you mean those 7 books? The ones written in Greek, unlike the rest of the OT? Or the ones that the Jews don’t accept? Or the ones that the early Christians didn’t accept? Or the ones with contradictions and errors? Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don’t see any reason to accept the “Apocrypha” as inspired.

The KJV is a very good translation… use it and study it.
 
I wasn’t laughing at people getting whipped. And I’d like to see the proof that people were being whipped in NYC in the 1900’s for not reading the KJV.
Look up some pics of NYC around 1900, dirt roads and low level buildings, its not the city you picture today it was like the Old west, Horses were still being widely used. and you could buy a full block for less than you can buy a car for today!!!
 
You mentioned it was incomplete… oh, you mean those 7 books? The ones written in Greek, unlike the rest of the OT? Or the ones that the Jews don’t accept? Or the ones that the early Christians didn’t accept? Or the ones with contradictions and errors? Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don’t see any reason to accept the “Apocrypha” as inspired.

The KJV is a very good translation… use it and study it.
Yes the KJV is a good translation but just a FYI the original print of it contained the Apocrypha and was considered inspired.:eek:
 
Yes the KJV is a good translation but just a FYI the original print of it contained the Apocrypha and was considered inspired.:eek:
And the original print can still be bought in stores as a facsimile… I have one here at home… just that the language has changed a little over the years so that spelling (and sometimes even the grammar) is a challenge in and of itself for a non-native speaker of the English language like me.
🙂
 
Please share exactly what passages in the King James Version of the Holy Bible did the Catholics find derogatory?
Between 1820 and 1860, the Irish constituted over one third of all immigrants to the United States, and two-thirds of these Irish immigrants were Catholic. This trend reached its peak in 1840, when nearly half of all immigrants to the United States originated from Ireland.[7]
During and after the Great Irish Famine (or Great Hunger, Irish: An Gorta Mór) of 1845-1849, large numbers of Irish came to North America, primarily to Canada and the United States. Many who left Ireland for America during the famine and the years immediately following died en route due to poor shipboard conditions and disease. As a result the vessels they travelled on became known as coffin ships.[6]…
Recruiting drives to enlist recent Catholic Irish emigrants as field soldiers during the Mexican-American War and later the American Civil War proved troublesome for the U.S. Army,** most often due to anti-Catholic and anti-Irish attitudes in the U.S. military, but without employment many new immigrant Catholic Irish** wound up enlisting anyway. Draft riots occurred, the best known being the New York Draft Riots resulting from conscription** ordered by President Lincoln in 1863**.[9]

…Although the Irish Catholics started very low on the social status scale,** by 1900**, they had jobs and earnings about equal on average to their neighbors

It was common for Irish people to be discriminated against in social situations.[when?] Intermarriage between Catholics and Protestants was uncommon, and strongly discouraged by both ministers and priests.

Public schools relied heavily on the King James Version of the Bible, with passages considered derogatory by Catholics; an important response was the creation of a Catholic parochial school system. These schools, and numerous Catholic colleges, allowed Irish youth to be educated without this discrimination in public school systems.
Prejudice against Irish Catholics in the US reached a peak in the mid-1850s with the Know Nothing Movement, which tried to oust Catholics from public office. Thomas Hardy and Thomas Nast published popular political cartoons of Irish drinking, fighting, ignoring their children, gambling, and crowding poorhouses.

New York Times want ad **1854–**the only New York Times ad with NINA for men.
A common example of discrimination were signs reading “HELP WANTED - NO IRISH NEED APPLY", which were also referred to as "the NINA signs.” NINA signs were common in London in the early 1800s, and the memory of this discrimination in Britain was imported to the US. After 1860 the Irish sang songs (see illustration) about NINA signs, and these songs have had a deep impact on the Irish sense of discrimination. NINA signs existed in the US, as depicted in the New York Times ad and the lyrics of the song noted here. Some argue that this discrimination did not exist or was minimal, or that these signs were not as pervasive as many believe,[18] but, regardless of the extent of its existence or pervasiveness, these two examples show that discrimination did indeed exist. NINA signs continue to be referred to in modern times.
Irish were credited with dominating the most difficult and dangerous jobs in the East building railroads needed for oil refining and for the trans-continental railroads, but were gradually replaced as the transcontinental railroad went West where Asian American labor was cheaper and less likely to demand union representation.[19] According to Stephen Ambrose, approximately one-third of the workers died building the trenches for the tracks, often disappearing, never to be brought home.

July 1863, Nee York Draft Riots,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Draft_Riots

The New York State Militia was absent, having been sent to assist Union troops in Pennsylvania, leaving the police to deal with the riots.[15] The police superintendent, John Kennedy, came by on Monday to check on the situation. Although he was not in uniform, he was recognized by people in the mob and they attacked him. Kennedy was left nearly unconscious, having had his face bruised and cut, an injured eye, swelled lips, his hand cut with a knife, and a mass of bruises and blood all over his body.[17] In response, police drew their clubs and revolvers, and charged the crowd, but the crowd overpowered them.[8] The police forces were badly outnumbered and unable to quell the riots; however, they were able to keep the rioting out of Lower Manhattan, below Union Square.[18] Immigrants and others in the “Bloody Sixth” Ward, around the seaport, refrained from getting involved in the Draft Riots, having experienced more than enough violence in the 1830s and 1850s.[19]
 
And the original print can still be bought in stores as a facsimile… I have one here at home… just that the language has changed a little over the years so that spelling (and sometimes even the grammar) is a challenge in and of itself for a non-native speaker of the English language like me.
🙂
Well it is nice to know one can still get the original print redone. Ya the old english can get a little dicey at times even when it is ones native language. Can’t say I that I know anyone who still talks like that on a regular basis.
 
You mentioned it was incomplete… oh, you mean those 7 books? The ones written in Greek, unlike the rest of the OT? Or the ones that the Jews don’t accept? Or the ones that the early Christians didn’t accept? Or the ones with contradictions and errors? Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don’t see any reason to accept the “Apocrypha” as inspired.

The KJV is a very good translation… use it and study it.
Which Jews did not accept? The ones hostile to christianity, or the ones not hostile to christianity? Why do you have a proclivity toward one canon over another?
Tell me about the palestinian canon. What are your thoughts?
 
You mentioned it was incomplete… oh, you mean those 7 books? The ones written in Greek, unlike the rest of the OT? Or the ones that the Jews don’t accept? Or the ones that the early Christians didn’t accept? Or the ones with contradictions and errors? Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don’t see any reason to accept the “Apocrypha” as inspired.

The KJV is a very good translation… use it and study it.
hello M T,
Since the finding of the Qumran scrolls, Sirach and the other Wisdom lit included in the deutercanonicals ,has been found to be written in the Hebrew, ergo The Catholic church was correct in including them, and that the Hebrew canon was just that, for the unbelievers in Christ.

God Bless,
John:highprayer:
 
My daughter was given a King James Bible several years ago by a protestant who was trying to convert her.

I just found it and would like to know who I could give it to. It is not the complete Bible and I really have no need to keep it.

I would like to give it to some protestant organization, but don’t know who that would be.

It is the word of God although incomplete and I surely can’t just toss it out.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
i guess you could take it to a book binder and have them engraphed the deutro cannonical books into it. never really looked into it myself. but it is a beautiful reading experience. wouldnt part with mine. but for the most accurate, i thank God for the duay rheims translation. i get the superb kings english and a very very good translation and the full number of books. id keep it for reference if i were you. God bless you and yours.🙂
 
And the original print can still be bought in stores as a facsimile… I have one here at home… just that the language has changed a little over the years so that spelling (and sometimes even the grammar) is a challenge in and of itself for a non-native speaker of the English language like me.
🙂
cbtministries.org/resources/webster1828.htm

Yea you need a Websters old english bible dictionary, 1828, /av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/kjv-dictionary-index.html or a lot of extra time reading about ye olde english words and their meanings. Been there done that moved on!!!
 
i guess you could take it to a book binder and have them engraphed the deutro cannonical books into it. never really looked into it myself. but it is a beautiful reading experience. wouldnt part with mine. but for the most accurate, i thank God for the duay rheims translation. i get the superb kings english and a very very good translation and the full number of books. id keep it for reference if i were you. God bless you and yours.🙂
That would be about another $85.00 + Go to Borders they have KJV with alll the Books the Catholic include.
 
Well it is nice to know one can still get the original print redone. Ya the old english can get a little dicey at times even when it is ones native language. Can’t say I that I know anyone who still talks like that on a regular basis.
Only those quoting the KJV, do you know if you took the KJV and then cross referenced the Greek and the Hebrew a KJV only advocate will damn you to hell? It happened to me, I asked if a certian passage in the hebrew backed up the Pastors commentary on a subject… He asked me You go back to the Greek and the hebrew? I said yes… he said to me, "Your going directly to Hell !,
I walked away shaking my head.

God bless,
john
 
Yea you need a Websters old english bible dictionary, or a lot of extra time reading about ye olde english words and their meanings. Been there done that moved on!!!
Well technically it is Early Modern English (EModE) which was spoken after the Middle English period (until the mid 15th century) until the late 16th century. So the 1611 would be in that category as well as works by William Shakespeare (whose works were part of my final tests in school). All in all it is understandable even though some word changes and some grammar changes as well as some spelling changes are a definite challenge.
Old English would be impossible for me to understand and Middle English would require a tremendous amount of work to understand… The Canterbury Tales are written in Middle English in the original.
But to come back to translations. I just read that the original KJV actually had a minor influence on the Challoner revision of the Douay-Rheims Bible too.
I just recently bought the facsimile and I will have a look at the Apocrypha too. I have never read them in English… just in German.
The KJV by the way was mostly translated from Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic texts… I say mostly because some of the Apocrypha were translated from the Latin. The Vulgate was also used for further reference as far as I know.

I would personally reject this Bible right away… You could still use it and compare everything to your translation.

May God bless you.

In Him,
Janet

PS: Thank you for the link. I bookmarked it immediately.
 
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