What to say if somebody says to me..."How did the kangaroos and koalas get to Australia? "

[twinc]

sorry wrong way around evolution IS something we can embrace

why not just believe what God says instead of phony fallible humans - it is you that are wrong for the earth does not revolve around the sun and it is not the sun of God but the son of God that is the light of the world - when there was no sun at the beginning and will be no sun at the end - twinc

 

[saveusfromhell]

why not just believe what God says instead of phony fallible humans - it is you that are wrong for the earth does not revolve around the sun and it is not the sun of God but the son of God that is the light of the world - when there was no sun at the beginning and will be no sun at the end - twinc

twinc i have no idea what your talking about. i cant find where i said sun of GOD.
the son of GOD is JESUS i think you might be getting mixed up in what i posted.

also when i posted " Originally Posted by saveusfromhell
sorry wrong way around evolution IS something we can embrace" i was correcting what i had said in previous post rather than referring to you.

when “there was no sun at the beginning and will be no sun at the end don’t why your referencing that either”.
the link you refer to is the first time i have ever even heard of this theory. i didn’t read to much of it and can’t imagine i will. whenever i see someone trying to sell books on a web site rather than putting up what they believe i have my doubts on their motives.

 

[twinc]

I’m going to humour you with this. But the statement, as simple as it is:

“This clash [evolution v. creationism] is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.” is significant enough for the pontiff to illuminate that the faithful can believe in evolution. Let alone Pope John Paul II’s Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences: On Evolution.

God doesn’t need science just like God doesn’t need us.
Doesn’t mean He didn’t create both.

-Prophecy

it is a grave error and alas a sadly accepted and spread delusion by some if not many that Evolution is an open question and can be accepted by Catholics and the impression is given that the Church now teaches that Evolution or special creation are at least equally legitimate.Nowhere does the Pope give his permission to believe in evolution but only to research and discuss it - perhaps it can now be seen that ‘permission to discuss’ does not mean ‘allowed to accept’.The Pope clearly reprimands those who have already presumed it to be a fact,and especially warned that it be not taught as such - what must be clearly understood and stated is that the Church teaches Creation[Dalight No.12] - twinc

 

[Prophesy]

it is a grave error and alas a sadly accepted and spread delusion by some if not many that Evolution is an open question and can be accepted by Catholics and the impression is given that the Church now teaches that Evolution or special creation are at least equally legitimate.Nowhere does the Pope give his permission to believe in evolution but only to research and discuss it - perhaps it can now be seen that ‘permission to discuss’ does not mean ‘allowed to accept’.The Pope clearly reprimands those who have already presumed it to be a fact,and especially warned that it be not taught as such - what must be clearly understood and stated is that the Church teaches Creation[Dalight No.12] - twinc

Pope John Paul II as says this:
“In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.”

The letter is available on EWTN’s website.

-Prophecy

 

[Prophesy]

Nowhere does the Pope give his permission to believe in evolution but only to research and discuss it - perhaps it can now be seen that ‘permission to discuss’ does not mean ‘allowed to accept’.

Why would Catholics be able to research and discuss evolution but not accept it as a means of God growing His creation? Catholics cannot research IVF, nor methods of abortion, nor artificial birth control. While we can discuss these topics, if we are going to do that from a perspective of Catholicism, we must do so with the position contra these acts.

We are able to research evolution because, as John Paul II stated there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of faith, in so as certain points are kept (the primacy of God, human dignity, the special act of creation that is our soul, etc.).

If you want to say that a faithful Catholic can by no means accept evolution as a tool of God in growing His creation, you are saying much more than what the pontificate has.

-Prophecy

 

[ZxM]

what are we supposed to believe about animals and plants that have had their evolution fast tracked by humans?

god didnt exactly create them instantaneously at the beginning of time.

 

[buffalo]

Very simply, the fact that aboriginal humans managed to get to Australia shows that there was probaby a way for animals to do so as well.

Exotic mammals hitched rides on rafts to colonise Madagascar

The animated movie Madagascar - which featured a group of zoo animals hitching a boat ride to the African island - was not so far- fetched after all.

A new study today claims the island’s exotic wild mammals are descended from sea-faring ancestors who sailed from mainland Africa on natural rafts 50 million years ago.

Scientists say the prevailing currents at the time would have made the 300 mile trip not only possible, but relatively fast too.
Madagascar is home to an extraordinary collection of animals found nowhere else in the world. They include fossas - which resemble a cross between cats and dogs, 70 types of lemurs, flying foxes and narrow striped mongooses.

But scientists have long been puzzled how the ancestors of these animals got to Madagascar.

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1244942/Exotic-mammals-hitched-rides-rafts-colonise-Madagascar.html#ixzz0yC38fF1V

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1244942/Exotic-mammals-hitched-rides-rafts-colonise-Madagascar.html#ixzz0yC33fFv6

 

[buffalo]

people who advocate a literal meeting of genisis do us a disservice as they make it so easy for atheists to knock our religion.

Not really - they can mock all they want but is hollow. Some atheists may not know that the math works for either system. Heliocentrism is wrong and disproven. The two left standing are geocentricity and acentricity.We cannot know for sure unless we can view our solar system from outside our frame of reference. So what it comes down to is you can pick either depending on your worldview.

What we do know is anthropic coincidences show that earth is a Priveleged Planet.

 

[buffalo]

what are we supposed to believe about animals and plants that have had their evolution fast tracked by humans?

god didnt exactly create them instantaneously at the beginning of time.

Explain.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Darwinism’s problem (one of them, anyway) is that it’s not even science.

Using rigorous scientific methods, a scientist should be able to prove or disprove a theory. Darwinism has not come up with anything resembling ‘proof,’ just a slew of random suppositions.

And don’t they find ‘the missing link’ about every fifteen minutes? Only to have it debunked an hour later?

Don’t kid yourself into thinking there is not a large segment of the population that strives to replace God with what passes for ‘science.’

– a former science reporter

 

[Prophesy]

Darwinism’s problem (one of them, anyway) is that it’s not even science.

Using rigorous scientific methods, a scientist should be able to prove or disprove a theory. Darwinism has not come up with anything resembling ‘proof,’ just a slew of random suppositions.

The same thing can be said of atomic theory. One cannot prove that matter is comprised primarily of charged particles with such low density (much of an atom is empty space)

And don’t they find ‘the missing link’ about every fifteen minutes? Only to have it debunked an hour later?

Don’t kid yourself into thinking there is not a large segment of the population that strives to replace God with what passes for ‘science.’

That’s more or less uncharitable dismissal. The idea behind the common ancestor is simple enough and much of the basis for the theory behind evolution is also the work of clergymen (like Gregor Mendel who is the father of modern genetics).

Sure there are people who strive to denounce God and replace Him with ‘science’, there are also people who want to replace God with ‘tolerance’, ‘social justice’, and their own God.

There are also people who abuse the Bible and twist it against Christianity (like people who like to cherrypick verses from Leviticus, etc). But because people can misuse the Bible (as people can misuse science) doesn’t mean we should cast them out.

Now, I have provided quotes from popes about how the faithful can accept evolution as a means that God grows His creation. If you cannot provide a quote from the pontificate or the Magisterium as a whole denouncing the belief in evolution in favor of a literal interpretation of Genesis, I think this discussion has reached it’s conclusion.

-Prophecy

 

[Prophesy]

Not really - they can mock all they want but is hollow. Some atheists may not know that the math works for either system. Heliocentrism is wrong and disproven. The two left standing are geocentricity and acentricity.We cannot know for sure unless we can view our solar system from outside our frame of reference. So what it comes down to is you can pick either depending on your worldview.

What we do know is anthropic coincidences show that earth is a Priveleged Planet.

How can heliocentricity be disproven without geocentricity also failing?

-Prophecy

 

[buffalo]

How can heliocentricity be disproven without geocentricity also failing?

-Prophecy

Science claims the sun is not the center of the universe. Science claims acentrism.

 

[Prophesy]

Science claims the sun is not the center of the universe. Science claims acentrism.

Yeah, but you said heliocentricity was disproven. Acentrism means that the universe is without an objective centre, though you can have relative centres, right?.

-Prophecy

 

[buffalo]

Yeah, but you said heliocentricity was disproven. Acentrism means that the universe is without an objective centre, though you can have relative centres, right?.

-Prophecy

Acentrism states that any one point can be the center.

 

[edwest2]

i think taking the whole old testament litteraly is not right. the whole world was flooded. what does the term world mean the known world at the time or litteraly the whole world?
how would the people at the time know the whole world was flooded, but they would have know that their world was flooded

as catholics as far as i know evolution is not something we allowed embrace.can we limit GOD to our understanding. if geneisis was to be wrote from GOD perspective how long would the book of genises be.
on the first day GOD created the sun moon and stars. surely we are not going to limit GOD creating this to one revolution of the earth around the sun that wasn’t there yet.

Opinions are not the issue. The Bible is an accurate account of what God did.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Pope John Paul II as says this:
“In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.”

The letter is available on EWTN’s website.

-Prophecy

Key words: “certain fixed points.”

God bless,
Ed

 

[twinc]

Imho I think we can best forget or ignore the mutterings and conjectures of semi detached Christian/Catholic evolutionists.Lets in fact see what the real,no God,evolutionists have to say about Christianity and creationists.Let us first,note carefully that whilst some Christians want to latch on to or compromise with real evolutionists,the real evolutionists want nothing to do with them and their compromise and one foot in each camp stance - so lets see what real evolutionists have to say about them also - more later - twinc

 

[Prophesy]

Acentrism states that any one point can be the center.

Relatively.

-Prophecy

 

[edwest2]

if the bible still said the sun revolved around the earth would you still believe it?

people who advocate a literal meeting of genisis do us a disservice as they make it so easy for atheists to knock our religion.

when you say it cannot happen are you saying GOD is not capable of using evoultion? i don’t really care to much which way it happened as it makes no difference to my faith.

Please don’t use the easy for atheists excuse. It doesn’t matter. They have many reasons to knock all religions.

And it sure does make a difference. There are people who believe that they are either bags of chemicals or just another animal with the power of speech.

God bless,
Ed