What to say if somebody says to me..."How did the kangaroos and koalas get to Australia? "

[thevoiceofone]

of course you have got it all mixed up but are not aware that this is so,perhaps because you are already convinced which you seem to be according to what you say especially if you are only looking for divine feeding bowls -no body is disputing that creatures undergo changes to survive,this is variation or micro evolution but dogs will always be dogs[canine or vulpine] and cats will always be cats[feline] - there never was any evolution,there is not now nor ever can possibly be so who has kidded you who cannot be kidded - twinc

I can’t really figure out what it is you believe in, so I’m not sure what to say in response here.

I never said I could not be kidded. If you see the firmness in my faith as me just being “kidded” in life, then we have nothing to discuss, I guess. All your posts I read seem to be rather contrary, simply for the sake of being contrary. You are not open to debate, if this is the case. Are we not here (at catholic.com, I mean) to get a better understanding of the truth, and how to better communicate the truth (as defined by the Church)?

There are not answers for every question in this world. Why do you mock me as one “who can not be kidded,” if you are standing on your own pedestal denying everything anyone else says, with no authority but your own? I ask you to please not judge me. If you wish to find the truth, open up. Don’t harden your heart to everything said here. You might find that you’re wrong about something. You might find that you’re wrong about everything. I don’t know it all, and I won’t pretend to. I’m here to better understand the things I don’t know much about, and to maybe help out a soul or two with the things they don’t know much about… things I have learned.

I do not want to volley back and forth with you for the last word, so don’t expect me to play. I believe what I wrote earlier. That doesn’t mean I expect you to believe every word of it. I *would *hope that you might approach a stranger with a little more sense of dignity, however, and not try to insult them. Please, feel free to argue whether there was or was not any evolution with your neighborhood biologist, if you care to. But, the theory of evolution, in its simplest form, is *not *contrary to Scripture or the teaching of the Catholic Church, whether you or I like it or not. (period)

 

[LDNCatholic]

this is not about me - I am not prepared to listen to either - to me the Bible and Catholic teaching and Evolution are incompatible and diametrically opposite and opposed - twinc

You’re not a flat earther by any chance are you?

 

[buffalo]

You’re not a flat earther by any chance are you?

The Myth of the Flat Earth

 

[LDNCatholic]

The Myth of the Flat Earth

Exactly.

 

[buffalo]

**WHY HUMAN EVOLUTION CAN NEVER BECOME PART OF THE DEPOSIT OF FAITH

**

 

[twinc]

You’re not a flat earther by any chance are you?/QUOTE

this is the old red herring and smokescreen thrown up again and again against creationists who like myself study and quote the Bible as reliable and relevant.Nowhere does the Bible say the earth is flat,in fact quite the opposite is the case - Why not search the Bible and prove it to yourself - twinc

 

[LDNCatholic]

LDNCatholic;7014158:

You’re not a flat earther by any chance are you?

I’ve read the Bible. Many times. Though I do not hold it to be a valid scientific text. If the Pope and the Magisterium have OK’d the theory of evolution, and the ideas have been progressed by Catholic scientists (many of them priests) then I think I’ll stick with the science.

It’s the practical application of that science that can be troublesome (eugenics etc.) rather than the theological implications.

 

[twinc]

Wow. All the contributions that Catholics like Gregor Mendel, Nicholas Copernicus, Rene Descartes, Louis Pasteur, Georges Lemaître, et al have made to science (indeed, Fr. Stanley Jaki noting that suck scientific achievements were only possible in a Christian civilisation) and here we have some Catholics actually excommunicating others for having scientific knowledge. Or rather attempting to.

Ridiculous

of course you have it exactly wrong and to just quote Pasteur in particular - if Evolutionists would accept his biogenesis and not spontaneous generation - Lemaitre like one other Catholic priest blundered since there was no big bang - Copernicus,like Galileo was wrong for the sun is the centre of the solar system but not the Universe[see www.galileowaswrong.com - Descartes only thinks we think whereas in fact thoughts occur - of course you make no mention of another blundering Catholic priest viz Fr.Pierre Teilhard de Chardin - Mendel is acceptable it seems whilst Fr.Stanley Jaki it seems describes his belief in Evolution[The Savior of Science-page 147ff -Creation Rediscovered] and there are also other Catholic priests saying other things in favour of Evolution as I read it - twinc

 

[LDNCatholic]

Of course I have it exactly wrong

Goodbye twinc, probably see you on another thread…but not this one. I feel as though trying to argue the reality of evolution with you would be like taking a whiz in the wind.

Glad that Mendel is acceptable though, it’s a starting point. Read some of his work would you?

I am a Catholic. I also believe that evolution is true. These two things do not conflict. Now go and get as mad as you want.

 

[twinc]

twinc;7015569:

I’ve read the Bible. Many times. Though I do not hold it to be a valid scientific text. If the Pope and the Magisterium have OK’d the theory of evolution, and the ideas have been progressed by Catholic scientists (many of them priests) then I think I’ll stick with the science.

It’s the practical application of that science that can be troublesome (eugenics etc.) rather than the theological implications.

of course you have it wrong - the Bible is inerrant in all its parts including those that touch on science and history etc for God is the author of the Bible and knows more about science than the finite presuming all knowing scientists he created - btw the Pope and the Magisterium have not OK’d the theory of Evolution as fact and have warned against accepting it as such or promulgating or teaching it as such - many Catholic scientists and priests have not and do not progress Evolution ideas and recognise that the theological implications are that Evolution is a doctrinal error parading in scientific guise - twinc

 

[twinc]

Of course I have it exactly wrong

Goodbye twinc, probably see you on another thread…but not this one. I feel as though trying to argue the reality of evolution with you would be like taking a whiz in the wind.

Glad that Mendel is acceptable though, it’s a starting point. Read some of his work would you?

I am a Catholic. I also believe that evolution is true. These two things do not conflict. Now go and get as mad as you want.

God be with you too - search and study your Bible a bit more to see if these things be so and don’t get mad at me and God for if Evolution is true God is mad and so am I - twinc

 

[Prophesy]

of course you have got it wrong again because you did not carefully read what has been stated - Evolution is not acceptable and,therefore,is not even once mentioned in the Catechism what could be researched and discussed is stated at para 5 "Thus,the Teaching of the Church leaves the doctrine of Evolution an open question only as long as it confines its speculations to the development,from other living matter already in existence, of the human body - so it is not evolution that can be researched and discussed but only the human body etc - twinc

That means that we cannot discuss the soul as a by-product of evolution which is one of the certain points that Catholics must hold if they hold to evolution.

Also, scooters are not acceptable and, therefore, are not even once mentioned in the Catechism.

Just because it`s not in the Catechism doesn’t mean that we cannot accept it as popes have previously stated that we can.

-Prophecy

 

[Prophesy]

if Evolution is true God is mad and so am I

You are out of line with Catholic teaching, contradicting the words of the popes.

-Prophecy

 

[edwest2]

twinc;7015569:

I’ve read the Bible. Many times. Though I do not hold it to be a valid scientific text. If the Pope and the Magisterium have OK’d the theory of evolution, and the ideas have been progressed by Catholic scientists (many of them priests) then I think I’ll stick with the science.

It’s the practical application of that science that can be troublesome (eugenics etc.) rather than the theological implications.

That’s never been true. No one has OK’d anything.

God bless,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

You are out of line with Catholic teaching, contradicting the words of the popes.

-Prophecy

Please. If you want to talk about science then talk about science.

Do you quote the Popes about quantum mechanics? Please. Stop this “the Popes gave a rubber stamp to it so you must believe” stuff.

God bless,
Ed

 

[GEddie]

Please. If you want to talk about science then talk about science.

Do you quote the Popes about quantum mechanics? Please. Stop this “the Popes gave a rubber stamp to it so you must believe” stuff.

God bless,
Ed

Wow. This is starting to look like a cat fight in which the cats had evolved prehensile hands, and the use of symbols.

What in the world is there in this topic to be worth so much emotional involvement? Since we don’t get to keep our human bodies, does it really matter what process they came from?

Doth it not behoove us better to work off our Purgatory?

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.

 

[Prophesy]

Please. If you want to talk about science then talk about science.

Do you quote the Popes about quantum mechanics? Please. Stop this “the Popes gave a rubber stamp to it so you must believe” stuff.

God bless,
Ed

I don’t say that you must believe evolution because the Pope says that Catholics can. What I am saying that twinc needs to stop saying that they cannot, in good faith, accept it.

Also you have to fix a tag, the quote you posted was attributed to twinc instead of LDNCatholic

-Prophecy

 

[edwest2]

Wow. This is starting to look like a cat fight in which the cats had evolved prehensile hands, and the use of symbols.

What in the world is there in this topic to be worth so much emotional involvement? Since we don’t get to keep our human bodies, does it really matter what process they came from?

Doth it not behoove us better to work off our Purgatory?

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.

Well, if you do a quick search, you’ll quickly see that this topic is brought up often - and for only one reason. We All Must Believe.

Your options are:
(A) It happened.
(B) It didn’t happen.
(C) It doesn’t matter.

Since you’ve chosen C, perhaps you can explain why, year after year, the “you must believe” crowd has been posting here, quoting Popes, saints and just about anybody else in the Church who might help any ‘doubters’ over the edge into the blissful belief that we’re all just bags of chemicals.

You didn’t know? That’s right. We’re like bacteria growing in a petri dish. And there are people who literally believe that humans are nothing more than another type of animal and nothing more.

God bless,
Ed

 

[vsedriver]

• there never was any evolution,there is not now nor ever can possibly be so who has kidded you who cannot be kidded - twinc

Genesis tells me God created everything. Can you tell me, based on Genesis alone how God did it? Of course not. You will say it is a ‘mystery’.

But the Natural World is orderly and understandable. That is a fact. God made it that way. It’s why we try to predict the weather, mix chemicals together and kill microbes. So why is it so hard to believe that the human mind can learn how creation was done or at least get hints of what took place? What is so mind boggling about simple life forms evolving into more complex forms? It doesn’t change our humanity. It doesn’t eliminate an immortal soul, the breath of life given to us by God.

I still see no conflict between the Bible and evolution.

 

[vsedriver]

Opinions are not the issue. The Bible is an accurate account of what God did.

Yes, but not HOW he did it.