What was the most egregious liturgical abuse you ever witnessed?

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What was the most egregious liturgical abuse you ever witnessed? Not something you merely disliked, but an actual liturgical abuse?

Was it rectified? If it was, how difficult was the process? Has the solution remained intact? Did you play a part in eliminating the liturgical abuse and would you do so again?

Are real liturgical abuses more or less common in your parish than 10-15 years ago?
 
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I think asking kids to come around the altar and hold hands during consecration is the worst i’ve seen
 
By far the worst one I ever encountered was the mixing of “excess” consecrated hosts from the tabernacle with unconsecrated hosts that were used for the celebration of the Mass.

I used to sit right where the “gifts” are staged for the Mass. I would see the (new) pastor himself execute this procedure. I couldn’t believe what I was witnessing. I figured I was confused about something the first time I witnessed it. The second time I saw it, the pastor and I had a talk and when I was told to mind my own business, I faxed the bishop. I never saw it happen again, thanks be to God.
 
What is the purpose of a thread like this?
What was the most egregious liturgical abuse you ever witnessed? Not something you merely disliked, but an actual liturgical abuse?

Was it rectified? If it was, how difficult was the process? Has the solution remained intact? Did you play a part in eliminating the liturgical abuse and would you do so again?

Are real liturgical abuses more or less common in your parish than 10-15 years ago?
Largely this. Hard liturgical abuses including the truly egregious ones seem to be rarer today? I’m curious about that.
 
The kids at the altar is bad. That was kind of a “thing” at my last parish. While I didn’t know it was actually an abuse then, I did feel it was a strange sorta thing to do.
 
I think asking kids to come around the altar and hold hands during consecration is the worst i’ve seen
I never experienced this, but I used to hear about it a lot. Not so much today.
 
I’ve been very fortunate. I’ve read of horrible things but I think the worst I’ve seen is communion in the hand.
Unless the excessive gladhanding at the ‘sign of peace’ qualifies as liturgical abuse. In which case maybe that.
 
It was happening in my previous parish about 18 months ago when I left it. The priest who allowed has been reassigned to a different parish and from what I know of the current priest, things like that will not be allowed.
 
I’ve been very fortunate. I’ve read of horrible things but I think the worst I’ve seen is communion in the hand.

Unless the excessive gladhanding at the ‘sign of peace’ qualifies as liturgical abuse. In which case maybe that.
Definitely not a liturgical abuse.
 
The days of “liturgical dance” are over in my diocese as well. For a while they referred to the shenanigans as “liturgical MOVEMENT” to get around the regulations. Their antics really impacted some Masses here locally…
 
Story time!

My wife is an adult convert. While we were dating, she began questioning some of the teachings present at her church - she then started something which others like her have in the past; church/theology shopping.

I went with her to different Christian churches not just because I wanted to be a supportive boyfriend, but also because things were serious enough between us that we were talking about engagement and marriage at that point. Since wherever she decided to go could impact us in the future, I went with her- while still going to Mass Sunday evenings by myself.

Eventually, we went to one of the many Catholic churches downtown. Before going, I already knew that the parish had a “reputation” (and told her this before hand). So in addition to going with her for supportive reasons, I wanted to see the place for myself. What happened?
  • Before Mass even started, we were both asked if we wanted to bring up “the bread”. The parish runs a soup kitchen, and they started Mass by having people bring up the bread during the opening procession. We both declined. I didn’t like it, but I could gloss this over.
  • There was a woman dressed in black who stood near the priest, and said some of the prayers the priest should be saying (the priest did say the words of consecration). Definitely wrong.
  • This isn’t an abuse, however during the homily the priest said that during the Transfiguration the Apostles were in an “altered state of reality”.
  • At this point I turned to my girlfriend and said “you know, you might be able to receive communion here”. She said “I’m not Catholic though”. My reply; “I’m not sure this is valid”. After a pause I said “maybe it is valid, so don’t go up after all. But there’s a lot of stuff going wrong here”.
  • Before the Our Father, they asked everyone to go up around the alter, which was a folding table (they didn’t use the normal conventional one). Not just kids, but everyone. In the middle of Mass. I know some religious communities do something like this and it’s totally fine. But during Mass in a setting where everyone is in a different Sacramental and/or vocational state, it’s not appropriate.
  • Everyone went back to their seats. And then, what was more horrific than everything else combined. The EMHC’s held onto baskets of unleavened and leavened bread that people walked up to and picked out themselves. I was so shocked that I turned to my girlfriend and said “it’s a Jesus buffet. They made the Eucharist into a Jesus buffet”.
We both refused to go up for communion. Her because she wasn’t Catholic at the time, myself because at the time I wasn’t certain it was valid - and I was furious with what transpired.

We left, and I told her that was not accurate as to what a Mass should be like. She knew that already, with the homily raising some severe alarm bells with her. We never went back.

As for corrective actions, the parish was run by a group who has pontifical rite, which meant the diocesan bishop couldn’t correct them - if any change happened it would have to be superior, then Rome. Years later, I’m unsure of what’s going on there now.
 
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What is the purpose of a thread like this?
I’ll echo that sentiment. To use a dated phrase, this kind of question (common on the old CAF) is the liturgical equivalent of “wallowing in Watergate.” In addition to stirring-up negativity to no good purpose, it also tends to cause people to identify “liturgical abuses” that aren’t, such as the “Communion in the hand” post above.
 
Much wisdom can be absorbed by studying what took place during Watergate…
 
I’ve seen mustum used for the faithful.

Altar Bread that contained things other than wheat and water.

Serious Altar Bread substitution (crackers)

Chalices and Patens made of clay, wood, glass, etc.

Refusal to use the Communion Plate when distributing the Host to the faithful

Feet of women washed at Holy Thursday Mass

First Holy Communion distributed by those other than a priest (EMHC, Deacon, etc.)
 
I’ve seen mustum used for the faithful.

Altar Bread that contained things other than wheat and water.

Serious Altar Bread substitution (crackers)

Chalices and Patens made of clay, wood, glass, etc.

Refusal to use the Communion Plate when distributing the Host to the faithful

Feet of women washed at Holy Thursday Mass

First Holy Communion distributed by those other than a priest (EMHC, Deacon, etc.)
Keep in mind that many of these items are not actually liturgical abuses.
 
Story time!

My wife is an adult convert. While we were dating, she began questioning some of the teachings present at her church - she then started something which others like her have in the past; church/theology shopping.

I went with her to different Christian churches not just because I wanted to be a supportive boyfriend, but also because things were serious enough between us that we were talking about engagement and marriage at that point. Since wherever she decided to go could impact us in the future, I went with her- while still going to Mass Sunday evenings by myself…
How long ago did this take place?
 
Actually each of them is a violation of the Rubrics.

Oh, another favorite, instrumental music played during Mass in Lent.
 
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