What We Have Lost & the Road to Restoration

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Here is a link to a video that some might find interesting. It is about the changes to the Church, post Vatican II, and how they have affected us. It is about 45 minutes long. Be prepared to watch a priest do the limbo in Mass to demonstrate that we have tossed our belief in limbo. There is much more actual footage of real Masses. It makes you want to cry for all we have lost.
 
Thank you for sharing this with us all…it is something that all Catholics need to see…
I have to say that after I saw it I felt sick…we (Catholics) really have lost so much:(
 
I’m actually afraid to watch it - I’m sure it will make me cry.

Will have to think about it first…I’m sure it’s just horrible to see.

😦

~Liza
 
Paramedicgirl…my like-minded friend…thanks for the wonderful post…haven’t viewed the whole video, but I plan on doing so after work. God bless.
 
lizaanne said:
I’m actually afraid to watch it - I’m sure it will make me cry.

Will have to think about it first…I’m sure it’s just horrible to see.

😦

~Liza
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Liza…
Please watch it…all Catholics really need to see it…as sad as it may be!
 
It took me two hours between house duties to watch the whole thing.

I have to say that the scene with the destruction of the high altar actually brought tears to my eyes. 😦

The information on the Sacraments is not to be believed.
 
*Pope St. Felix III “**Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them.” ***
*Saint John Fisher said that “He who goes about to take the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from the Church plots no less a calamity than if he tried to snatch the sun from the universe.” *
 
I don’t really know what to say.

The sad thing is so many will say, “Well that may happen other places but not in my parish”

So sad, so very very sad.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Here is a link to a video that some might find interesting. It is about the changes to the Church, post Vatican II, and how they have affected us. It is about 45 minutes long. Be prepared to watch a priest do the limbo in Mass to demonstrate that we have tossed our belief in limbo. There is much more actual footage of real Masses. It makes you want to cry for all we have lost.
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Wow. Thanks for sharing. It makes me want to play a funeral dirge.

sigh mea maxima culpa.

It sounds like it was written by our friendly SSPV. (At times.) But it doesn’t make their point any less valid.
 
I noticed errors in the video. The whole bit about Cardinal Bugnini being a freemason was brought up again, even though that rumour has long been disproved. Makes me wonder if the group that made the video are SSPX.
 
Even though there are a few errors in the video, there are many valid points. The video plays speak for themselves of priests treating the Mass as though it is entertainment.
 
St. John Cantius has been reclaiming your lost patrimony for several years. It’s an uphill battle but they offer a flicker of hope. cantius.org/

CDL
 
palmas85 said:
I don’t really know what to say.

The sad thing is so many will say, “Well that may happen other places but not in my parish”

So sad, so very very sad.
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Because some parishes have become so used to the way they have it, they have no clue what they are missing.

My newly Catholic hubby watched part of this and was amazed.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Even though there are a few errors in the video, there are many valid points. The video plays speak for themselves of priests treating the Mass as though it is entertainment.
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No, actually a lot of what I saw DIDN’T speak for itself. And therein lies the rub. There is nothing to indicate that a lot of the unpalatable snippets happened IN any Church at all, or in the context of celebrating Mass, let alone that all of these were Catholic Churches and Catholic Masses.

There have been more than enough half-truths or complete untruths (for example the old ‘JP2 celebrated Mass in Assisi with a statue of Buddha on the Tabernacle’ canard) spread over the years by those with an agenda to make me mindful of the old saying - ‘trust none of what you hear and only half of what you see’.
 
LilyM said:
No, actually a lot of what I saw DIDN’T speak for itself. And therein lies the rub. There is nothing to indicate that a lot of the unpalatable snippets happened IN any Church at all, or in the context of celebrating Mass, let alone that all of these were Catholic Churches and Catholic Masses.

There have been more than enough half-truths or complete untruths (for example the old ‘JP2 celebrated Mass in Assisi with a statue of Buddha on the Tabernacle’ canard) spread over the years by those with an agenda to make me mindful of the old saying - ‘trust none of what you hear and only half of what you see’.
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Okay, so dismiss the videos of the masses.
We can generally agree that there have been parishes that abuse the mass. Every time someone points out an example, it’s dismissed with, well it’s old, or you can’t prove it. That’s fine if you prefer to think of it that way, this is still an eye opening video.

Take out the videos of masses and just go on to the Sacraments. The busting of churches and the change in the Sacraments is what got to me
 
LilyM said:
No, actually a lot of what I saw DIDN’T speak for itself. And therein lies the rub. There is nothing to indicate that a lot of the unpalatable snippets happened IN any Church at all, or in the context of celebrating Mass, let alone that all of these were Catholic Churches and Catholic Masses.

There have been more than enough half-truths or complete untruths (for example the old ‘JP2 celebrated Mass in Assisi with a statue of Buddha on the Tabernacle’ canard) spread over the years by those with an agenda to make me mindful of the old saying - ‘trust none of what you hear and only half of what you see’.
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You are course correct Lily as are all the other new voices. The only problem with the Church is that a few, thankfully, very few of us are still floating around who actually believe, no doubt erroneously, that the Pre Vatican II Church actually had a few things going for it. We didn’t see the need to ditch so much of what the Church was and to throw out like so much garbage the faith that had sustained so many millions for so long. Thankfully now, you guys have the truth, the light and the new way and we are no longer needed or even particularly desirable. We’ll slink off in the sunset and the apparent abomination that the church used to be will cease to exist except in faded photographs and a few historic video clips, kept around mainly to show how horrible things used to be before the new understanding came to light…

Martin Luther, Calvin ,Wycliff ,Zwingli and the other early pioneers of this movement will no doubt be enshrined as Saints and everyone can hold hands, sing a few songs and all will be right with the world.

I truly wish you and all the others who hate the Traditional Church so much all of Gods blessings and graces while you as they say today, continue on the journey.🙂
 
netmil(name removed by moderator) said:
Take out the videos of masses and just go on to the Sacraments. The busting of churches and the change in the Sacraments is what got to me
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I don’t see anything wrong with the Sacraments. The quotes I have included below are from the Catechism.

What is wrong with “Be sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit”? I don’t see where Confirmation is any less valid.

What is wrong with anointing a baby or child/adult (if they are a convert) with chrism after the pouring of water and trinitarian formula? Is Baptism less of a Sacrament because a Deacon may perform it, not just a Priest?

I like face-to-face Confession. It is an option, not a requirement. I could still confess behind a screen if I want to. I don’t think rooms instead of confessionals make the Sacrament of Penance less valid. A more personal contact with the Priest to me is good, because if he knows you, he can give advice on how to avoid falling back into sin. Before there was face-to-face Confession, the priest usually just gave a Penance and then Absolution. I like being able to talk to my Priest about sins that trouble me and get his advice. I don’t think that’s a Protestant thing. Protestants don’t even have Confession to a minister. Jesus gave advice to people when He forgave their sins, and the Priest is acting as Jesus did. Jesus always saw people face-to-face when He forgave them their sins, so I think it is good for the Priest to see me face-to-face when he is acting “in persona Christi”.

What is wrong with the Anointing of the Sick? The priest says, “May the Lord who frees you from sin save you and raise you up”. That sounds to me like it is addressing sickness of the soul (sin), not just healing of physical illness.

Holy Orders is still the same Sacrament. The prayer that the Bishop says when laying on his hands mentions “stand without reproach before your altar, to proclaim the Gospel. . . to offer you spiritual gifts and sacrifices, to renew your people by the bath of rebirth. . .” That still definitely means the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
paramedicgirl said:
Here is a link to a video that some might find interesting. It is about the changes to the Church, post Vatican II, and how they have affected us. It is about 45 minutes long. Be prepared to watch a priest do the limbo in Mass to demonstrate that we have tossed our belief in limbo. There is much more actual footage of real Masses. It makes you want to cry for all we have lost.
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Thank you for posting that link. I just viewed the video and I DID cry!! What have we done!!! I have only attended three TLM masses (all in the past year), and I wish I could go every Sunday and Holy Day. I go out of our NO mass every Sunday with a sense of loss. I started feeling that way even before I attended the TLM I made my First Communion in 1963 and can still remember, dimly, attending the TLM mass with my mother and following along in my little St. Joseph Missal.

I feel sickend right now after viewing the video. May God forgive us.
 
lizaanne said:
I’m actually afraid to watch it - I’m sure it will make me cry.

Will have to think about it first…I’m sure it’s just horrible to see.

😦

~Liza
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Liz, I just watched it. I had really forgotten just how drastic the changes were. Actually, I was about 7 in 1962, so I made my First Communion under the TLM. I had forgotten so much. Watch it, please. Every Catholic should see it. I’m going to watch it again several times. And I’m going to pass on the link.
 
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