What Westboro Baptists and "gay" activists have in common is...

[Prodigal_Son1]

Wait a minute. Didn’t you just judge me by suggesting that I committed a sin because you believe I had harshly judged others? Isn’t your judgment of me a bit harsh? If you think I committed a sin please quote what I said that you think is actually culpable. Are you saying that to respect them we have to ignore things such as that naked protests happen at the Vatican and not let others know that this kind of thing happens within the “gay” activist movement? What if someone goes to the Vatican on a pilgrimage with their family and this kind of thing happens while they are there with their kids? Are they all supposed to pretend that it’s not happening?

What did you say about ‘silencing’ others earlier?

I did not judge, I shared my view. If it touched a nerve, look within yourself.

When I said, ‘…culpability…’ I believe if our actions causes someone to remain entrenched in the error of their ways, we have a fault. That’s why I said, 'we have different ways to deliver truth, without compromising truth. If we don’t use the traits the Church tells us to use, we may be doing something wrong.

Christ didn’t call us to protect Him, or His Church. He promised to do that, until the consummation of the world.

If something inappropriate is happening, it would seem common sense to remove your children from the area and let the authorities deal with is.

 

[livingwordunity]

In other words, your original allegation of one unified organization was in error. Thank you.

I don’t know what you are trying to get me to say. I told you in what way they are unified.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I do not think the actions you mentioned above should be ignored, but neither should they be made into something which inspires enmity and bears false witness before God. Our focus should not be on the actions of the activists as much as on our own actions. We should take care not to allow the disdain of others to become an excuse for our own disdain. God needs no defending. I believe it was the Holy Father who recently said that if anyone acts believing that he is defending God, then he is worshiping an idol.

 

[livingwordunity]

What did you say about ‘silencing’ others earlier?

I did not judge, I shared my view. If it touched a nerve, look within yourself.

When I said, ‘…culpability…’ I believe if our actions causes someone to remain entrenched in the error of their ways, we have a fault. That’s why I said, 'we have different ways to deliver truth, without compromising truth. If we don’t use the traits the Church tells us to use, we may be doing something wrong.

Christ didn’t call us to protect Him, or His Church. He promised to do that, until the consummation of the world.

If something inappropriate is happening, it would seem common sense to remove your children from the area and let the authorities deal with is.

Then can you tell me why the Church on earth is called the Church Militant if all we are supposed to do is go with the flow?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Then can you tell me why the Church on earth is called the Church Militant if all we are supposed to do is go with the flow?

Remaining in the knowledge of truth is not going with the flow. What seems to be going on is a desire to ‘rub ugly truth in the face of others.’ We all have our beams in our own eyes. Our sins are no better than others. Show me where Christ, or the Church, taught to be ‘militant.’ Where is the words of our Pope being ‘militant?’ Is the Catechism contradicting itself?

 

[Julianna]

Remaining in the knowledge of truth is not going with the flow. What seems to be going on is a desire to ‘rub ugly truth in the face of others.’ We all have our beams in our own eyes. Our sins are no better than others. Show me where Christ, or the Church, taught to be ‘militant.’ Where is the words of our Pope being ‘militant?’

:tiphat:

 

[livingwordunity]

Remaining in the knowledge of truth is not going with the flow. What seems to be going on is a desire to ‘rub ugly truth in the face of others.’ We all have our beams in our own eyes. Our sins are no better than others. Show me where Christ, or the Church, taught to be ‘militant.’ Where is the words of our Pope being ‘militant?’

Yes, you must be spiritually present to all the needs of the Church militant.

Source
LETTER OF POPE JOHN XXIII
“IL TEMPIO MASSIMO”
TO WOMEN RELIGIOUS

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Source

Really? Where does he specify to take an all out offensive against ‘people’ of a particular evil? Is the Catechism contradicting what he is saying?

We are Christians, love and charity in all things is required, even in ‘fighting’ evil. You can’t fight evil with evil and say we are better off.

There becomes a point a misinterpreted ‘fighting’ against other people is the same as what the Westboro Baptists, or any ‘imagined’ unified group of activists, does.

 

[edwest2]

I believe it is quite safe to assert that " “gay” activists" is not a homogenous group. Not only that, few, if any that I have become aware of don’t align themselve with any official organization. What is the name of this unifying organization?

I could provide a list but that would put this particular thread way off topic.

Peace,
Ed

 

[livingwordunity]

Really? Where does he specify to take an all out offensive against ‘people’ of a particular evil?

What do you mean by “all out offensive”? Today, there is no evil that is being promoted more in the world than abortion and so-called “same-sex marriage”. The aim is to brainwash the public into thinking these evils are “the new normal”. And the mainstream media brainwashing propaganda is apparently very effective. So we as Christians need to respond, and I try to do so in my imperfect way. I think Christ would rather we try to save souls and fail then to not try at all. Even Christ Himself would not be able to preach the gospel to this world without offending anyone. That’s why He was crucified.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

What do you mean by “all out offensive”? Today, there is no evil that is being promoted more in the world than abortion and so-called “same-sex marriage”. The aim is to brainwash the public into thinking these evils are “the new normal”. So we as Christians need to respond, and I try to do so in my imperfect way. Even Christ Himself would not be able to preach the gospel to this world without offending anyone. That’s why He was crucified.

There is much evil in the world. ALL of us are sinners, and sin is evil. It’s that simple.

Christ didn’t teach us to protect His Church, He promised to care for that Himself. If we ‘justify’ doing it for Him, it seems to say, ‘Christ is not doing a very good job.’ We should place ALL faith in Him, and pray His mercy for EVERYONE.

If we are strong in faith, we cannot be ‘brainwashed.’

The all out offensive is not bringing others into the fold, but pushing them away.

Remember how Christ treated those who thought themselves more righteous than others? He came for the sinners, not the righteous. It’s wrong to treat anyone like they are not as righteous as we are, and never will be, so let’s write them off and keep them away from our Church.

If the Gospel is shared with the love, from the origin of Love, and it’s rejected, it’s on the person rejecting. If we force it offensively on others and they remain in the error of their ways because we pushed, we share in their rejection.

 

[livingwordunity]

There becomes a point a misinterpreted ‘fighting’ against other people is the same as what the Westboro Baptists, or any ‘imagined’ unified group of activists, does.

I’m not fighting against people. This is a spiritual battle.

 

[livingwordunity]

Christ didn’t teach us to protect His Church

Did not Christ say that we have to love one another? How can we love one another if we don’t try to warn each other about spiritual dangers that are rampant in the world?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I’m not fighting against people, I’m trying to expose the deceit and tricks of the Devil. This is a spiritual battle.

You know, I’m going to qualify what I’ve said. If God is telling you to be offensive towards other people, by all means you need to get to it. I’d just make very sure that it’s Him telling you differently than what the living breathing word of God tells us. A spiritual battle is fought with opposites. Love vs. hate, good vs. evil. You cannot be less than loving, or charitable, and it be opposite of what we see those outside the Church do.

With that said, I’ve seen many posts, on this subject, and they seem to be cast in a very negative light. No one specifically being named.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Did not Christ say that we have to love one another? How can we love one another if we don’t try to warn each other about spiritual dangers that are rampant in the world?

There are different ways to offer fraternal correction. What I see going on with certain topics is across the line of ‘warning,’ and equal to pushing away, in my honest opinion. First we are to approach someone doing wrong, one on one. Then in the presence of a couple witnesses, and finally take them to the AUTHORITATIVE Church.

It was not taught that going online to a public forum and speak ill of people, in the absence of their presence, was the way to go.

 

[livingwordunity]

You know, I’m going to qualify what I’ve said. If God is telling you to be offensive towards other people

The truth is offensive to a culture that embraces sin.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The truth is offensive to a culture that embraces sin.

If that were true, the Church would be empty. We are all sinners. We all have beams in our own eyes.

 

[livingwordunity]

There are different ways to offer fraternal correction. What I see going on with certain topics is across the line of ‘warning,’ and equal to pushing away, in my honest opinion. First we are to approach someone doing wrong, one on one. Then in the presence of a couple witnesses, and finally take them to the Church.

It was not taught that going online to a public forum and speak ill of people, in the absence of their presence, was the way to go.

I don’t speak against any particular person. I speak against a spirit of evil that is running rampant in our culture.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I don’t speak against any particular person. I speak against a spirit of evil that is running rampant in our culture.

Yea, I’ve seen a lot of your posts on the subject.

Mat 13:13 Therefore do I speak to them in parables: because seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

[livingwordunity]

If that were true, the Church would be empty. We are all sinners. We all have beams in our own eyes.

I don’t deny that I have sins. I have made no secret that I’m someone who struggles with sin, and I have mentioned some of my sinful past in other posts. But the point is that the “gay” activists are the ones who refuse to say that they have sin. That’s why they are so angry with the Church because they don’t want to admit that they have sin. So who’s being self-righteous?