What will it take for bishops to condemn illegal immigration?

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It's not this, really, but that we can't take care of so many poor here as it is.  One party pretends to care for them while keeping them in victim mode on vote plantations.  Their kids will be practically drafted into gangs, who violate others in their chosen neighborhoods, even if the parent comes to work hard (there must be some place in Mexico they could find jobs, I'm sure).  Protestants try to bring them into their churches.
Is helping their coming here really social justice? It’s not to the victims of those who wouldn’t have been victimized if illegal immigrants (excluding refugees of political oppression and genocide) haven’t been coming here. Victims include legal Hispanics, as well. Remove visa overstayers, as well. It’s just that they haven’t brought crime to America.
 
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It's not this, really, but that we can't take care of so many poor here as it is.  One party pretends to care for them while keeping them in victim mode on vote plantations.  Their kids will be practically drafted into gangs, who violate others in their chosen neighborhoods, even if the parent comes to work hard (there must be some place in Mexico they could find jobs, I'm sure).  Protestants try to bring them into their churches.
Is helping their coming here really social justice? It’s not to the victims of those who wouldn’t have been victimized if illegal immigrants (excluding refugees of political oppression and genocide) haven’t been coming here. Victims include legal Hispanics, as well. Remove visa overstayers, as well. It’s just that they haven’t brought crime to America.
I see your concerns, but I don’t see what this has to do with the bishops. You titled your post, "What will it take for the bishops to . . . " Evangelium Vitae has already answered for the bishops. In the long list of sins against human dignity that the Holy Father identifies in Evangelium Vitae, one of them is deportation. His challenge to all of us to find solutions that will work for everyone on all side of the borders for all nations, not just the USA.

It is true that we have a very serious problem with crime in this country. But it is not true that the undocumented immirgrant is the cause of our problem. The cause of our problem is our legal system. Our legal system has been broken for a long time. This is an example of such. Here is a man who has been caught drinking under the influence before. He’s not the only one in the country. The question is what happened to the laws that regulate drinking and driving? What were his consequences the first time?

If he paid a penalty ro spent some time in jail or doing community work, anything, then it would make sense that he’s out and driving again. But the article does not mention any previous consequences other than reporting the arrest to ICE. ICE has nothing to do with DUI. What happened with the system? Like this, there are many situations that should not be happening, but happen because the legal system is not working.

I was a theology student in Rome when there was a crisis in Ecuador. Over 1 million ecuadorians arrived in Italy and remaind there undocumented. Long story short, they did not have these problems. The Italians also have some rather strict courts. There was no significant rise in crime in the major cities where the immigrants normally go to. That’s not to say that they don’t have crimes in Italy. They do. But theit system works and they don’t even have capital punishment.

The Holy Fathers are right. We need to take a look at how the legal systems work and repair those that fail to protect people, not just filter out the immigrant. Failure to do this is a moral concern.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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It's not this, really, but that we can't take care of so many poor here as it is.  One party pretends to care for them while keeping them in victim mode on vote plantations.  Their kids will be practically drafted into gangs, who violate others in their chosen neighborhoods, even if the parent comes to work hard (there must be some place in Mexico they could find jobs, I'm sure).  Protestants try to bring them into their churches.
Is helping their coming here really social justice? It’s not to the victims of those who wouldn’t have been victimized if illegal immigrants (excluding refugees of political oppression and genocide) haven’t been coming here. Victims include legal Hispanics, as well. Remove visa overstayers, as well. It’s just that they haven’t brought crime to America.
As long as most of the illegal immigrents are poor Latinos who just happen to be Catholic, and swell the ranks of the Catholic Church in the USA…well…🤷
 
What would it take for the bishops to condemn illegal immigration? Hell freezing over for starters…unfortunately.
 
As long as most of the illegal immigrents are poor Latinos who just happen to be Catholic, and swell the ranks of the Catholic Church in the USA…well…🤷
I’m not even sure that most of them are Catholic or practicing Catholic. In the past, Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico and priests were not allowed to wear the Roman collar in public.
 
I’m not even sure that most of them are Catholic or practicing Catholic. In the past, Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico and priests were not allowed to wear the Roman collar in public.
That never affected the faith of the common people. There have been many countries that have anti-clerical laws. It’s allegedly some expression of enlightenment or some thing like that. But the common man does not go with it. Look at Cubans. They’ve had all kinds of restrictions placed on the Church. They are predominantly Catholic. Most of those attempts to suppress religion backfire. Look at Poland.

The bishops have to follow Evangelium Vitae on this one. Once you have a higher source speaking you must comply with that source. You can certainly dissent, but that makes you a dissenter.

As I said before, the problem here is not immigration. It’s a broken judicial system. We must ask the first and foremost question, what consequences did this young man get for his DUI in the past? The story wants to focus on his immirgation status taking attention away from the judicial system. This accident could have happened to anyone.

This is obviously a young man who is morally irresponsible for drinking and driving. But he is not the first nor the last in this country. While I understand the follies of youth, that does not mean that the previous time he should have been allowed to get away without any consequences. It’s interesting to note that the article does not tell you if he has a license or not. If it mentioned this, I missed it.

Let’s focus on the real issue here. The judicial system is broken and they want to claim that it will heal itself if they get rid of the illegal immigrants. We know that’s nonsense.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I’m not even sure that most of them are Catholic or practicing Catholic. In the past, Catholicism was outlawed in Mexico and priests were not allowed to wear the Roman collar in public.
The Church was banned (and the country under an interdict) for only three years in the 1920s. Present-day Mexicans do not recall those times.

Even with the church buildings locked down and priests in hiding, Mass was said, and religious instruction given, clandestinely. My Grandma, God rest her, remembered going to such hidden Masses as a small child.

And although clerical garb was forbidden on the streets of Mexico from 1917 until the JP2 era, the faith of the people was as strong as ever. Persecution of the faith by the civil authority is not exactly something new:rolleyes:

ICXC NIKA.
 
The 1968 Tet Offensive, the three-day cease-fire for the New Year/Year of the Monkey in the midst of the Vietnam war, was negotiated by the Catholic Church. North Vietnamese Communists swept into major cities and broke the spirit of America to win.

The Old Testament injunction to welcome strangers “for such were some of you” when fleeing Egyptian slavery, has been corrupted to mean, “Open your doors to the slave traders trafficking in souls for the Russian mafia to continue brokering drugs to enslave your children.” That’s ultimately where the cash goes. Duped again.

Our Lady of the Rosary, in her appearances at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, promised that with the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart by the bishops, led by Peter, at one time, in one solemn, public ceremony in their respective cathedrals, she would then convert Russia; and that this is the “only” means to a period of peace. Fatima in Lucia’s Own Words] Human understanding in general, and Catholics in particular, brings policies promoting ego tripping into the abyss. We cannot triumph without the Woman Clothed with the Sun. Without this consecration, Our Lady said Russia would spread her errors–not just Communism–that would lead to the “annihilation of nations.”

America is on the annihilation track with Russians orchestrating the drug saturation of America via Mexico and millions of illegal aliens; proffering payoffs to law enforcement and politicians in America and Mexico. Brave Sheriff Arpaio of Arizona has a million dollar bounty on his head. 180,000 legally enter America every 30 days; in that same time 80-100,000 illegals enter. Another 2.5 million overstayed visas annually and America is ripe for drugs, disease, and disaster.

Pray the daily Rosary for peace as Our Lady of the Rosary counseled; and lobby for the exaltation of the Immaculate Heart and the consecration as requested as the “only” means to peace.
 
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It's not this, really, but that we can't take care of so many poor here as it is.  One party pretends to care for them while keeping them in victim mode on vote plantations.  Their kids will be practically drafted into gangs, who violate others in their chosen neighborhoods, even if the parent comes to work hard (there must be some place in Mexico they could find jobs, I'm sure).  Protestants try to bring them into their churches.
Is helping their coming here really social justice? It’s not to the victims of those who wouldn’t have been victimized if illegal immigrants (excluding refugees of political oppression and genocide) haven’t been coming here. Victims include legal Hispanics, as well. Remove visa overstayers, as well. It’s just that they haven’t brought crime to America.
Would this nun be less dead if the driver was borne in Prince William County ?

Should immigrants be saddled with ~$42,000 in US national debt accumulated before they arrived ? should their children ?

Is the Bishop’s job to accumulate wealth for the USA?

Is they catechism incorrect ?

Looks like the answers are abundent.
 
Would this nun be less dead if the driver was borne in Prince William County ?

Should immigrants be saddled with ~$42,000 in US national debt accumulated before they arrived ? should their children ?

Is the Bishop’s job to accumulate wealth for the USA?

Is they catechism incorrect ?

Looks like the answers are abundent.
Are you and I the only ones paying attention here? The article is exploiting this accident to drive home it’s agenda on immigration.

Let’s look at facts.
  1. As you say, would she be less dead if the DUI had been a Marylander?
  2. What happened the first time that he got a DUI?
  3. What is wrong with a legal system that allows someone with a DUI to keep a license?
None of these points are addressed in this article. Everything is about him being illlegal. They may as well have left out the nun. The article is not about her death. Her tragic death is the caveat. Shame on the writer.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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It's not this, really, but that we can't take care of so many poor here as it is.  One party pretends to care for them while keeping them in victim mode on vote plantations.  Their kids will be practically drafted into gangs, who violate others in their chosen neighborhoods, even if the parent comes to work hard (there must be some place in Mexico they could find jobs, I'm sure).  Protestants try to bring them into their churches.
Is helping their coming here really social justice? It’s not to the victims of those who wouldn’t have been victimized if illegal immigrants (excluding refugees of political oppression and genocide) haven’t been coming here. Victims include legal Hispanics, as well. Remove visa overstayers, as well. It’s just that they haven’t brought crime to America.
From a certain standpoint, they can not nor will they ever. This is the closest thing they can do to duplicate their prior attempts that failed in the past.
 
From a certain standpoint, they can not nor will they ever. This is the closest thing they can do to duplicate their prior attempts that failed in the past.
The bishops cannot condemn illegal immigration the way that the laity wants it done, because it would create a major conflict with the Vatican since Pope John Paul included the Church’s stand on immigrants and their rights in Evangelium Vitae. The Church does not acknowledge illegal immigration as we do. She defines it very differently.

For us, it means someone who does not have the right papers. For the Church it means someone who enters a country with the intent to do harm. Read Evangelium Vitae and you’ll find that the key issue on this and other social moral issues is human dignity. We must advocate for the protection of human dignity by all parties invovled, the country of origin and the counry of destination and anyone in between who deals with immigrants.

Deportation, is on the Church’s list of sins against human dignity. I don’t believe it made the list because the Church does not believe that people can or should be deported. I believe it made the list because of the manner of the deportations and the attitude of the people who are desiring it. The venom, the anger, the hatred for the immigrant that is often displayed in the process or even the desire for deportation is beneath human dignity.

The other issue is the deportation of a criminal. This raises a serioius moral concern. It is one thing to send a criminal from one prison to another. It is quite another thing to send a criminal over the fence where he will run free to do harm again. Those authorities who catch the criminal have a moral duty to society, not just their country, to protect the innocent by rendering the criminal harmless. Throwing him over the fence does not render him harmless and does not guarrantee that he will not climb over again.

This brings us back to the topic of this article. You folks want to talk immigration. But the topic of this article is not immigration. It’s a broken legal system. This young man was caught DUI twice. Why did he have a third chance? What were the consequences the other times? Why does he have a license? The article does not raise those questions. They drone on and on about illegal immigration.

Well, the fact is that the follly of youth, which is what this was, has caused a life. That folloy is common to nationals, resident immigrants and undocumented immigrants. But the folly of youth can only be corrected with proper discipline. Where was the law when this happened before?

It seems that they messed up big time. Now they have a body on their hands and they want to do the Pilate thing. Wash their hands of the nun’s blood by attracting attention to the fac that this kid is an illegal immigrant.

THIS KID WAS CAUGHT BY THE SAME PEOPLE DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, TWICE, WHAT HAPPENED?

I don’t care if he’s illegal or the son of the President. It does not change the fact that they messed up and are not trying to distract their critics. That’s my hometown and I know how they operate. They mess up and the find a scapegoat. This time they can pin it all on immigration. But we have had a serious problem with DUI in our town for years. They’re all kids between 16 - 25. Everyone seems to believe that “kids will be kids”.

I too believe that kids do foolish things. But when I stuck things into the electric outlet, it was foolish and my mom spanked my hands. I learned not to be foolish. OK, not that way. I became an expert fool in orther areas. LOL

My message is, don’t let yourselves be sucked in by the purpose of this article, to distract people because the County getting sued by the nun’s family. They did not mention this in their reporting. They are not getting sued because the boy is illegal, but because he’s a repeat offender. The county knew about his drinking and dirving and he was always allowed to walk away.

We’ve been doing business this way in my home country for over 20 years.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Sending a person back to the place where they have citizenship is against the person’s human dignity? How?

A law is not made right or wrong by the attitude of the person enforcing the law. That’s not logical.

The argument that if they are criminals we should not deport them back to their country of origin is likewise illogical. By it’s nature, being in a country illegally is a criminal act (without the discussion of infraction, misdemeanor or felony, please). This argument says that no illegal alien can be deported, which is so wrong.

The facts are, this person *did *enter this country to do wrong. This person can not legally get a drivers license in Virginia, so he did not have one. He did not have insurance. One is not supposed to drive after drinking, but he did. All of things are wrong, and he did them on purpose.

Your argument about a broken legal system is the distractor here. This person should not have been in the country at all. He should not have been in jail in Manassas. He should have been in Bolivia, where he has citizenship. He was not just any person. He was in the country illegally and should have been incarcerated by ICE and then deported.

I hate to say it, but there is an underclass of illegal immigrants who have nothing. They have nothing to lose. They have no reason to follow the laws, and they are a danger to the rest of us.
 
The bishops of the United States and Mexico issued a statement in 2003 called Strangers No Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope. It gives background information, such as immigration as reflected in Scripture, then gives the principles relating to the Church’s view of immigration:

I. Persons have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
34. All persons have the right to find in their own countries the economic, political, and social opportunities to live in dignity and achieve a full life through the use of their God-given gifts. In this context, work that provides a just, living wage is a basic human need.

II. Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people.15 When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.

III. Sovereign nations have the right to control their borders.
36. The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

IV. Refugees and asylum seekers should be afforded protection.
37. Those who flee wars and persecution should be protected by the global community. This requires, at a minimum, that migrants have a right to claim refugee status without incarceration and to have their claims fully considered by a competent authority.

V. The human dignity and human rights of undocumented migrants should be respected.
38. Regardless of their legal status, migrants, like all persons, possess inherent human dignity that should be respected. Often they are subject to punitive laws and harsh treatment from enforcement officers from both receiving and transit countries. Government policies that respect the basic human rights of the undocumented are necessary.
 
First, I have not heard of any bishop saying" Come on Jose! Come on Dat Ngyuen! Don’t pay any attention to the US Immigration Laws. Get in here any way you can! ( And I use Spanish and Vietnamese names because these are the immigrants I am most use to- yes there are illegals from other countries)

What I have heard them say is we must find a solution that reflects the heart of Christ. Of utmost concern is keeping families together. Of making sure that if human dignity was not respected as they made their way here, it must be respected after they are here.

I dont have children, but I am one. And there is no doubt in my mind that, if when I was a kid, the U.S.had suddenly started imprisoning Catholics, or there was not enough food, shelter, or medical care; if women were being raped and children murdered;if we lived in extreme poverty and there was rumor of a better life waiting across anyone’s border; I promise you- mom would have gotten us out of here as quick as she could- anyway she could. It may not be the “legal” thing to do, but (just my opinion) it sure would have been the moral thing to do.

I understand there are those who come here illegally for selfish and greedy gain with no thought of how or who they are hurting.But I also know that many are here illegally because of a basic instinct we all have-- for survival.

In this issue as with all, May the Holy Spirit guide and enlighten us. And may God be more merciful to us than we are to each other.
 
The bishops of the United States and Mexico issued a statement in 2003 called Strangers No Longer: Together on the Journey of Hope. It gives background information, such as immigration as reflected in Scripture, then gives the principles relating to the Church’s view of immigration:

I. Persons have the right to find opportunities in their homeland.
34. All persons have the right to find in their own countries the economic, political, and social opportunities to live in dignity and achieve a full life through the use of their God-given gifts. In this context, work that provides a just, living wage is a basic human need.

II. Persons have the right to migrate to support themselves and their families.
35. The Church recognizes that all the goods of the earth belong to all people.15 When persons cannot find employment in their country of origin to support themselves and their families, they have a right to find work elsewhere in order to survive. Sovereign nations should provide ways to accommodate this right.

III. Sovereign nations have the right to control their borders.
36. The Church recognizes the right of sovereign nations to control their territories but rejects such control when it is exerted merely for the purpose of acquiring additional wealth. More powerful economic nations, which have the ability to protect and feed their residents, have a stronger obligation to accommodate migration flows.

IV. Refugees and asylum seekers should be afforded protection.
37. Those who flee wars and persecution should be protected by the global community. This requires, at a minimum, that migrants have a right to claim refugee status without incarceration and to have their claims fully considered by a competent authority.

V. The human dignity and human rights of undocumented migrants should be respected.
38. Regardless of their legal status, migrants, like all persons, possess inherent human dignity that should be respected. Often they are subject to punitive laws and harsh treatment from enforcement officers from both receiving and transit countries. Government policies that respect the basic human rights of the undocumented are necessary.
This doesn’t say to give everyone amnesty. But that is what the USCCB is saying. A basic human right does not include breaking the host countries laws. We aren’t particularly wealthy either…last time I looked, we were seriously in debt as a country and getting worse by the minute with rampant unemployement.

Finally, no nation has “the ability to protect and feed their residents”. Nations and governments produce exactly nothing to be able to feed their residents. Are they thinking we go to the city hall to get our meals? Nations have nothing except what they steal from the fruits of their citizen’s labors. And if we aren’t enforcing our borders, how are we protecting any resident.
If someone wants to come here and work…then get a visa like I have to when I work someplace other than the US. That may be an area where the US could improve, I agree.

But for the most part, I’m sorry, this quote is wonderful sounding gobbly goop when taken literally or out of context.
 
This doesn’t say to give everyone amnesty. But that is what the USCCB is saying. A basic human right does not include breaking the host countries laws. We aren’t particularly wealthy either…last time I looked, we were seriously in debt as a country and getting worse by the minute with rampant unemployement.

Finally, no nation has “the ability to protect and feed their residents”. Nations and governments produce exactly nothing to be able to feed their residents. Are they thinking we go to the city hall to get our meals? Nations have nothing except what they steal from the fruits of their citizen’s labors. And if we aren’t enforcing our borders, how are we protecting any resident.
If someone wants to come here and work…then get a visa like I have to when I work someplace other than the US. That may be an area where the US could improve, I agree.

But for the most part, I’m sorry, this quote is wonderful sounding gobbly goop when taken literally or out of context.
I believe that everyone will agree that no one should go around doing harm to others On another note, when you look at the citation provided above, try to see what they’re saying. They are saying that we must treat all people, residents and immirgrants, legal and illegal, with dignity and respect.

We must remember that because it is a violation of civil law to cross a border without proper papers or to overstay when the visa runs out, the word criminal has a very different meaning to the Church than it does to civil authority. For the Church, that term has a pejorative meaning that She never uses to describe human beings. The Church avoids that term because she tries to avoid all language that disrespect anyone, even those who may break a law.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The bishops cannot condemn illegal immigration the way that the laity wants it done, because it would create a major conflict with the Vatican since Pope John Paul included the Church’s stand on immigrants and their rights in Evangelium Vitae. The Church does not acknowledge illegal immigration as we do. She defines it very differently.

For us, it means someone who does not have the right papers. For the Church it means someone who enters a country with the intent to do harm. Read Evangelium Vitae and you’ll find that the key issue on this and other social moral issues is human dignity. We must advocate for the protection of human dignity by all parties invovled, the country of origin and the counry of destination and anyone in between who deals with immigrants.

Deportation, is on the Church’s list of sins against human dignity. I don’t believe it made the list because the Church does not believe that people can or should be deported. I believe it made the list because of the manner of the deportations and the attitude of the people who are desiring it. The venom, the anger, the hatred for the immigrant that is often displayed in the process or even the desire for deportation is beneath human dignity.

The other issue is the deportation of a criminal. This raises a serioius moral concern. It is one thing to send a criminal from one prison to another. It is quite another thing to send a criminal over the fence where he will run free to do harm again. Those authorities who catch the criminal have a moral duty to society, not just their country, to protect the innocent by rendering the criminal harmless. Throwing him over the fence does not render him harmless and does not guarrantee that he will not climb over again.

This brings us back to the topic of this article. You folks want to talk immigration. But the topic of this article is not immigration. It’s a broken legal system. This young man was caught DUI twice. Why did he have a third chance? What were the consequences the other times? Why does he have a license? The article does not raise those questions. They drone on and on about illegal immigration.

Well, the fact is that the follly of youth, which is what this was, has caused a life. That folloy is common to nationals, resident immigrants and undocumented immigrants. But the folly of youth can only be corrected with proper discipline. Where was the law when this happened before?

It seems that they messed up big time. Now they have a body on their hands and they want to do the Pilate thing. Wash their hands of the nun’s blood by attracting attention to the fac that this kid is an illegal immigrant.

THIS KID WAS CAUGHT BY THE SAME PEOPLE DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, TWICE, WHAT HAPPENED?

I don’t care if he’s illegal or the son of the President. It does not change the fact that they messed up and are not trying to distract their critics. That’s my hometown and I know how they operate. They mess up and the find a scapegoat. This time they can pin it all on immigration. But we have had a serious problem with DUI in our town for years. They’re all kids between 16 - 25. Everyone seems to believe that “kids will be kids”.

I too believe that kids do foolish things. But when I stuck things into the electric outlet, it was foolish and my mom spanked my hands. I learned not to be foolish. OK, not that way. I became an expert fool in orther areas. LOL

My message is, don’t let yourselves be sucked in by the purpose of this article, to distract people because the County getting sued by the nun’s family. They did not mention this in their reporting. They are not getting sued because the boy is illegal, but because he’s a repeat offender. The county knew about his drinking and dirving and he was always allowed to walk away.

We’ve been doing business this way in my home country for over 20 years.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
I thank you for your additional knowledge on this topic. It truly is hard to really know what facts we have been given a shorthand version and realizing we must be open to knowing there could be more we just do not know.
Thank you Br. JR, OSF
 
The other issue is the deportation of a criminal. This raises a serioius moral concern. It is one thing to send a criminal from one prison to another. It is quite another thing to send a criminal over the fence where he will run free to do harm again. Those authorities who catch the criminal have a moral duty to society, not just their country, to protect the innocent by rendering the criminal harmless. Throwing him over the fence does not render him harmless and does not guarrantee that he will not climb over again.

Well, they could be thrown in jail, but that would neglect the nation’s problems, right? What else do we do? I know. Keep this problem from the people who contribute to this society. Even Blacks and legal Hispanics are having difficulty getting those jobs “nobody else wants.” I’m sorry, but we can’t rob Peter to pay Paul.
Is what Evangelium Vitae said about deportation dogmatic? Otherwise, saying it’s nonsensical is not heretical. It sounds more like an opinion, anyway. It’s sad when that’s at the top of the injustice list. What happened to the Syllabus of Errors? How about injustice to God? Let’s start with the blasphemies and then go at the violations against the most defenseless. Maybe the pope should send someone to one of these safety zones for illegals and see some of what goes on there. These are not devout Catholics. Devout Catholics care about the nation they’re going to. We get them from the Philippines, Africa, etc.

Driving laws is the distraction, here, on this forum. It’s not so much about a country as it is about people who are being overrun by those who think they own this country and its laws don’t apply to them.
 
The other issue is the deportation of a criminal. This raises a serioius moral concern. It is one thing to send a criminal from one prison to another. It is quite another thing to send a criminal over the fence where he will run free to do harm again. Those authorities who catch the criminal have a moral duty to society, not just their country, to protect the innocent by rendering the criminal harmless. Throwing him over the fence does not render him harmless and does not guarrantee that he will not climb over again.

Well, they could be thrown in jail, but that would neglect the nation’s problems, right? What else do we do? I know. Keep this problem from the people who contribute to this society. Even Blacks and legal Hispanics are having difficulty getting those jobs “nobody else wants.” I’m sorry, but we can’t rob Peter to pay Paul.
Is what Evangelium Vitae said about deportation dogmatic? Otherwise, saying it’s nonsensical is not heretical. It sounds more like an opinion, anyway. It’s sad when that’s at the top of the injustice list. What happened to the Syllabus of Errors? How about injustice to God? Let’s start with the blasphemies and then go at the violations against the most defenseless. Maybe the pope should send someone to one of these safety zones for illegals and see some of what goes on there. These are not devout Catholics. Devout Catholics care about the nation they’re going to. We get them from the Philippines, Africa, etc.

Driving laws is the distraction, here, on this forum. It’s not so much about a country as it is about people who are being overrun by those who think they own this country and its laws don’t apply to them.
Your post is so filled with logical fallacies, I can’t bother to address them all and hope that you read your commentary again and again so you may see this.
 
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