What will the Church be like in 50 years?

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Your post is appalling…
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Talk about the misuse of the term “liberal.” Postings like your’s cast a very toxic pall over what you would call “traditionalism.”
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The qualities you expound are neither unique to “liberals” nor are they necessarily common amongst “liberals.” The are qualities typical of dissenting non-Catholics who claim to be Catholics and supermarket Catholics who feel they can shop for whatever they wish to accept.
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Take another look at your posting. It truly is appalling.
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I may be wrong in designating people like these as “liberals.” In the futurre I will call these people “cafeteria catholics” as suggested by Deacon Ed B. If you want to view my post in the context of the conversation, I suggest you read the earlier posts.

Aside from my misusing the term “liberal,” what is so “appalling” about my post? I simply described what I previously viewed as liberals. Was it bad that I think people who support gay priests are wrong? Was it bad that I think halloween and clown masses are terrible? I stand by my beliefs; I think it is wrong to support sin, and abusive liturgies which go against the will of the Church as mandated in the GIRM (and before you suggest anything to the contrary, I love the Mass of Paul VI and attend it regularly).

Why does anything in my previous post offend you? Does it offend you when individuals say bad things about the Tridentine Mass? Or the traditionalist movement in general?

I can’t understand what was bad about my post. I sincerely believe that the cafeteria catholics will eventually leave the Church once they realise they can’t change doctrine to suit them.

Don’t view me as some kind of ultratraditionalist because I am not. I am simply striving to be a faithful Catholic and I don’t even begin to pretend that I’m perfect because I know I’m not. However, I do my best to stand for orthodoxy in my beliefs. You will never hear me supporting beliefs that are contrary to the faith of the Catholic Church. I accept with docility all that the Church teaches as clarified in the Catechism.

Furthermore, I would really like to know why I offended you so much. What was it that made my words “toxic”? If you would like to continue this conversation, feel free to send me a private message. I would be very interested in hearing how you would define a liberal, and what it was that offended you in my post. I look forward to hearing from you.
 
I probably won’t be here to see it however I think it will be smaller and more devout. I wouldn’t be all that surprised by a schism with progressives and cafeteria Catholics not choosing to stay in union with Rome. I would doubt that the EF will be the norm then, however a lot of it will have “bled” over to the NO. That is my human thoughts, now what the Holy Spirit may have planned I have no idea!!🤷
 
Guess what?I’m just a regular shmoo,and I am being called to learn and “close ranks”,One ,Holy,Catholic and,Apostolic.
I am called to know my enemy both within and without,grow where I’m planted.Fifty years,is like ,“Brigadoon”,only instead of
two hundred years,it’s fifty,a mere twenty four hours.God’s time.
No matter what,the gates of hell shall not prevail against her.
I may seemed to be a "blithering"romatnic,I am,but I’ll fight right up to the “gates”.
Which reminds me of this funny bumper sticker I saw the other day.
“Why am I in this handbasket…And why am I moving so Quickly”.

I may mess things up ,but I’m darn well trying!
 
Just a brief note to explain why it is wrong to pick and choose what one wants to accept or reject or not agree with about the Church. For one to be** TRULY **Catholic, one must accept ALL that Holy Mother Church believes and teaches. Not to do so, places one in the position of being your own arbiter as to what is true. While we call these cafeteria Catholics, it really if a practice of protestant relativism. Just something to think about.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
  • How will the liturgy be different?
    I think there will be far more TLM’s (although by that time I think the 1962 missal will have a newer addition to update feasts, etc.), perhaps even a majority of Masses. If the N.O. is still around, it will be far more reverent, with more Latin, and more precision, with fewer options.
    • Will we have married Priests?
      Not in the Western Church - I think we’ll even get away from it for the converted Anglicans.
    • Will the Tridentine Mass movement grow?
      Yes, but if it is the majority, it will also have a lot to do with the continued and accelerated decline of the current mainstream.
    • What will happen to the liberals? Have they had their day?
      We’ll always have Liberals and Conservatives. The difference at the present time is that “liberal” tends to be a synonym for “dissenter”. Hopefully we will go back to everyone agreeing on the Faith, and having leeway and healthy discussion of everything else.
    • Will a new Mass be promulgated?
      No. The TLM will remain basically unchanged, and the N.O. will be improved quite a bit - perhaps to the point where we’ll all end up back at ONE Mass. I don’t think this High/Low Church thing is healthy, and can’t last too long.
    • Will newer gothic churches be built?
      Yes - there are some being built now. And more Rennaisance style, Baroque, Romanesque, etc. Church architecture can only improve 😃
    • Will the Church grow or decline?
      Yes. In some areas it will grow in numbers (Africa, Asia), and probably in Faith. In most others it will decline in size, but probably grow in Faith. I think the Church in the Western Hemisphere will be probably take the lead in the latter category. 50 years on, it might be growing again in Europe, especially if the Muslims begin to through their weight around there.
 
One of the main things that will change is this: the older Tridentine calendar will be abolished and both Masses will follow the new calendar. This will be done to create more uniformity within the rite.

I think we’ll see our schools and Priests devoting more time to teaching the faith properly. We cannot continue with the way things are at the moment. I wasn’t taught a thing in my CCD classes; most of my theological knowledge came from Catholic Answers, EWTN, and the Catechism.

In the future, I hope that children, and the laity in general will receive better education to help increase knowledge and understanding of the faith. This will go a great way in preventing catholics from converting to protestantism.
Just a brief note to explain why it is wrong to pick and choose what one wants to accept or reject or not agree with about the Church. For one to be TRULY Catholic, one must accept ALL that Holy Mother Church believes and teaches. Not to do so, places one in the position of being your own arbiter as to what is true. While we call these cafeteria Catholics, it really if a practice of protestant relativism. Just something to think about.
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My thoughts exacly. Great post!
 
scapularkid8 said:
As a post-Vatican II youth (I’m only 18 👍 ) I am highly optimistic about the Church. I see an unwavering movement among the youth for tradition. We want the Extraordinary form of our Rite back. And conversions aren’t massive, but the numbers are surprising considering the Atheistic age we live in. With Pontiffs who put hope in us youth (John Paul II and Benedict) I think the Holy Spirit is guiding us to something “new”…but that’s not the right word because it isn’t new, it’s just revisiting what we wanted all along.
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And you do well to be optimistic 👍

I share your optimistm!
 
I guess the two things that most obviously occur to me about what the Church will be like is…

Black & Tan.

(Which is to say African and Asian.)

Yes, there will be many faithful in the US and Europe. But the twenty-first century of Church History will, I think, be their century in many ways–because the rate of conversions is exploding! I read that it is projected that China in 2050 will be the nation with the Largest Muslim and the largest Christian population!

Thanks be to God for our African and Asain brethren!
 
I sorta think that the two Mass style we have today (EF and OF) is somewhat temporary. It just appears to me that the goal isn’t necessarily to return to the EF, as much as correct abuses in the OF.

That being said, I think that in the next 50 years, I don’t believe that a new Mass will be promulgated, but I would not be surprised to see revisions to the OF made to bring it more in line with the EF. The first step, in my mind, is this new translation, and requests for more Latin and Gregorian chant. After that, I would imagine maybe more subtle things such as revising the GIRM to beef up the rubrics. I could also see things like a revision to the Lectionary, and a demand for better artistry in the vestments (a lot of modern vestment designs look like they were made by children with finger paints). Finally, the most dramatic change I could imagine, which I find a little unlikely, would be maybe one or two prayers from the Tridentine Mass returning to the Novus Ordo Missal, such as the prayer at the end of Mass where the priest prays that his sacrifice was pleasing to the Trinity.
 
NicPais83 said:
I sorta think that the two Mass style we have today (EF and OF) is somewhat temporary. It just appears to me that the goal isn’t necessarily to return to the EF, as much as correct abuses in the OF.

That being said, I think that in the next 50 years, I don’t believe that a new Mass will be promulgated, but I would not be surprised to see revisions to the OF made to bring it more in line with the EF. The first step, in my mind, is this new translation, and requests for more Latin and Gregorian chant. After that, I would imagine maybe more subtle things such as revising the GIRM to beef up the rubrics. I could also see things like a revision to the Lectionary, and a demand for better artistry in the vestments (a lot of modern vestment designs look like they were made by children with finger paints). Finally, the most dramatic change I could imagine, which I find a little unlikely, would be maybe one or two prayers from the Tridentine Mass returning to the Novus Ordo Missal, such as the prayer at the end of Mass where the priest prays that his sacrifice was pleasing to the Trinity.
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A much more likely and realistic scenario. 👍
 
I personally see it going back to potentially older traditions…more traditional music, and more priests coming forth. I am an optimist, and have been praying for a massive revival of the priesthood, especially in America. I think within 50 years, the Church will grow, also in numbers. We just can’t keep spiraling downward as a society for too much longer. I think that people have spun out of control for long enough, and our Church will always prevail…even the ‘gates of hell will not prevail against it.’ I truly see more and more people every decade, looking at the Church as the rock that’s been missing in their lives.

50 years can go pretty quick, it’s not a lot of time, and at the same time–it is. It’s enough time to see some positive changes. I think that the RCC is beautiful (not implying it needs improvement)…but the reform that is needed will lead more people back to their faith, and hopefully lead people to convert, as well.
 
I will be 102, so I am not likely to care. I leave all of that to the Holy Spirit and those who are younger…
 
kleary said:
50 years?

Well from what I have seen in my Diocese it looks like it is going to look like this:

And down the Ac Expressway to Exit 41 - you will still find this…
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Both of which are valid and licit 😉
 
boomer’s grandchildren will be responsible for a demographic blip that increases Church membership

parents will be incensed at newly introduced policies to celebrate first communions all together at one Mass, rather than on any of the several Sundays after Easter, because families will no longer get to choose the date most convenient for Aunt Tillie. heads will roll on this one, because Sacred Tradition is being violated.

todays newly ordained, more orthodox priests will be at or near retirement age, and lamenting the progressiveness of their successors, who can celebrate Mass and preach fluently in 7 or 8 languages

classical music stations will have programs featuring old outdated no-longer-heard hymns on period instruments – from Glory & Praise and Gather Comp, OCP, and St. Louis Jesuits on guitars, bongos and tambourines–song otherwise unknown outside academics interested in “old music”.

the American Catholic Church will be 30% white, 40% Hispanic, 15 % African and 15% Asian.

Catholicism will be an embattled minority religion in Western Europe, with the population overwhelmingly Muslim and sharia dominating EU law.
 
puzzleannie said:
boomer’s grandchildren will be responsible for a demographic blip that increases Church membership

parents will be incensed at newly introduced policies to celebrate first communions all together at one Mass, rather than on any of the several Sundays after Easter, because families will no longer get to choose the date most convenient for Aunt Tillie. heads will roll on this one, because Sacred Tradition is being violated.

todays newly ordained, more orthodox priests will be at or near retirement age, and lamenting the progressiveness of their successors, who can celebrate Mass and preach fluently in 7 or 8 languages

classical music stations will have programs featuring old outdated no-longer-heard hymns on period instruments – from Glory & Praise and Gather Comp, OCP, and St. Louis Jesuits on guitars, bongos and tambourines–song otherwise unknown outside academics interested in “old music”.

the American Catholic Church will be 30% white, 40% Hispanic, 15 % African and 15% Asian.

Catholicism will be an embattled minority religion in Western Europe, with the population overwhelmingly Muslim and sharia dominating EU law.
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…Aunt Tillie…:rotfl: I know you’re serious annie, I just can’t help but chuckle at times when I read your posts. You’re a hoot!🙂
 
Within 50 years, I think we will see a Council called which will re-examine Trent and VI, and close, leaving no doubt that the Catholic world view during and after those Councils is a view to retain till the end of time.

I believe the Mass of St. Pius V will, by then, be the norm.

Vocations will increase. Third Order memberships will have grown tremendously, and vocations will have doubled if not tripled.

But, it’s all in the hands of our priests. Will todays priests embrace the Forma extraordinaria, and return to diligently teaching traditional Roman Catholicism ?

If they don’t do so, and do so soon, the following quote will prove to be an unheeded warning, to the detrement of HMC.

"A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, “Where have they taken him?” -Pope Pius XII

I pray Roman Catholics will follow the lead of Pope BXVI, Cardinal Hoyos, Archbishop Ranjith, Archbishop Burke, and those of like mind in the Hierarchy. Especially our priests.
 
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