What would a anglican priest do in case of demonic possession?

[gurneyhalleck1]

did he ever tell you guys any interesting stories of his experiences you could share?

One of my university professors was the Anglican clergyman responsible for exorcisms in our diocese.

 

[Bluegoat]

did he ever tell you guys any interesting stories of his experiences you could share?

No, he was kind of reticent about that sort of thing. I used to serve for him at Mass on Friday, but he didn’t chat a lot. I have a friend who was is really close to him, maybe I’ll ask him if he knows any - I haven’t thought about it in ages.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I think a lot of Catholics see exorcisms and they view the ability by a Catholic priest to exorcise demons as a sign that the CC is the only real legitimate Church. Hearing stories of Anglican exorcisms would poke a hole in that theory.

My bishop, John-David Schofield, in our San Joaquin Diocese here in the Central Valley, has shared with all of us, and me in a LONG one-on-one chat we had one time this story about how he had a Eucharistic encounter where he actually saw Jesus come to him and stand right in front of him and blessed him. He goes into great detail and gets emotional telling the tale but it happened to him in a rural quaint little Anglican chapel in the countryside outside of London. He said Jesus asked him to stay an Anglican priest when he had considered leaving the priesthood. He said the Lord beckoned him to take a vow of celibacy which John-David did and has kept (his vow) his whole life. To this day he’s single and celibate. He talks about how Jesus was adorned and how He looked at him, the radiance, His voice, etc. He said it permanently changed him and he has never had a bad day since. He is convicted by Christ 100%. I truly see him as the happiest man I’ve ever met. So in hearing that story and hearing of Jesus meeting him and asking him to stay an Anglican priest and how the Eucharistic miracle that accompanied it happened in an anglo-catholic chapel, it kind of throws a monkey wrench in the idea that the only place where Christ truly dwells is the Catholic Church IMO.

No, he was kind of reticent about that sort of thing. I used to serve for him at Mass on Friday, but he didn’t chat a lot. I have a friend who was is really close to him, maybe I’ll ask him if he knows any - I haven’t thought about it in ages.

 

[Memento_Mori]

I think a lot of Catholics see exorcisms and they view the ability by a Catholic priest to exorcise demons as a sign that the CC is the only real legitimate Church. Hearing stories of Anglican exorcisms would poke a hole in that theory.

My bishop, John-David Schofield, in our San Joaquin Diocese here in the Central Valley, has shared with all of us, and me in a LONG one-on-one chat we had one time this story about how he had a Eucharistic encounter where he actually saw Jesus come to him and stand right in front of him and blessed him. He goes into great detail and gets emotional telling the tale but it happened to him in a rural quaint little Anglican chapel in the countryside outside of London. He said Jesus asked him to stay an Anglican priest when he had considered leaving the priesthood. He said the Lord beckoned him to take a vow of celibacy which John-David did and has kept (his vow) his whole life. To this day he’s single and celibate. He talks about how Jesus was adorned and how He looked at him, the radiance, His voice, etc. He said it permanently changed him and he has never had a bad day since. He is convicted by Christ 100%. I truly see him as the happiest man I’ve ever met. So in hearing that story and hearing of Jesus meeting him and asking him to stay an Anglican priest and how the Eucharistic miracle that accompanied it happened in an anglo-catholic chapel, it kind of throws a monkey wrench in the idea that the only place where Christ truly dwells is the Catholic Church IMO.

That is a wonderful story Gurney …thank you for posting it . That will be a slap in the face to the ones claiming that the anglican orders are not valid …

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Thanks, Memento. What is your position about Anglican orders? Are you a former Anglican?

That is a wonderful story Gurney …thank you for posting it . That will be a slap in the face to the ones claiming that the anglican orders are not valid …

 

[pablope]

I never saw the movie, but I read that the girl was from a Lutheran family whose pastor called the Roman Catholic exorcist when he thought he might be in over his head.

I sure would like some clarification on that.

I think the either the History Channel or Discovery Channel re-broadcast the documentary about the real story behind the Exorcist movie about 4 weeks ago. In the real story, the possessed child was actually a boy.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Yes. This is the St. Louis case of which I’ve been speaking on this very thread.

I think the either the History Channel or Discovery Channel re-broadcast the documentary about the real story behind the Exorcist movie about 4 weeks ago. In the real story, the possessed child was actually a boy.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

its a weird question but i hope you wont find it that way …i know that catholic priests use the Roman Ritual for exorcisms …but in case of an anglo-catholic priest what he would do in case of demonic possession …would he use the same ritual ? what is the position of the anglican church in this matter ? …anglicans consider themselves " catholic " so in this case that will be a good proof of that catholicism , isnt it ?

I haven’t spoken with any Anglican exorcists (I don’t know any as far as that goes, but no doubt they’re around), but I have spoken with Protestants who have performed exorcisms.

Basically they use prayer and Scripture.

 

[Bluegoat]

I think a lot of Catholics see exorcisms and they view the ability by a Catholic priest to exorcise demons as a sign that the CC is the only real legitimate Church. Hearing stories of Anglican exorcisms would poke a hole in that theory.

My bishop, John-David Schofield, in our San Joaquin Diocese here in the Central Valley, has shared with all of us, and me in a LONG one-on-one chat we had one time this story about how he had a Eucharistic encounter where he actually saw Jesus come to him and stand right in front of him and blessed him. He goes into great detail and gets emotional telling the tale but it happened to him in a rural quaint little Anglican chapel in the countryside outside of London. He said Jesus asked him to stay an Anglican priest when he had considered leaving the priesthood. He said the Lord beckoned him to take a vow of celibacy which John-David did and has kept (his vow) his whole life. To this day he’s single and celibate. He talks about how Jesus was adorned and how He looked at him, the radiance, His voice, etc. He said it permanently changed him and he has never had a bad day since. He is convicted by Christ 100%. I truly see him as the happiest man I’ve ever met. So in hearing that story and hearing of Jesus meeting him and asking him to stay an Anglican priest and how the Eucharistic miracle that accompanied it happened in an anglo-catholic chapel, it kind of throws a monkey wrench in the idea that the only place where Christ truly dwells is the Catholic Church IMO.

I know an older lady who had a similar kind of experience in an Anglican church she was visiting during the Eucharist. She wasn’t a religious woman, and it was a life changing experience for her. She became very pious, and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who experiences the Eucharist so intensely every time.

I also remember the story of an English woman who was a stigmatic. Apparently some Catholic officials visited her and told her that it was a sign she should become Catholic, and she replied that maybe it was a sign they should become Anglican! I recounted this story once on CAF and the Catholic posters took it to mean that it must be a demonic kind of thing, because obviously it couldn’t be caused by God.

 

[Memento_Mori]

Thanks, Memento. What is your position about Anglican orders? Are you a former Anglican?

Well no, im Roman Catholic , but i love to go to a anglo-catholic service in a church called Saint Andrews here in the town where i live , the service is the tridentine mass the one that was used in the roman church before second Vatican Council ,therefore today im going at 12 pm , im looking forward i feel very good there …the priests are excellent people …very nice

But one of the reasons that keep me away from the anglican church is the ordination of women and the blessing of homosexual marriage …there are homosexual priests in the catholic church too BUT they are hiden , after all no Bishop 100 % accurate in knowing who is a straight priest or who is not …, but another thing is opnely know that this certain person is homosexual and then ordain him …about the priestesses , so far as i know pagans where the ones who had this type of religious orders , not christians …in my opinion ordering a woman as priest is a complete mockery of the sacrament of the holy orders …i dont know is like insulting the anglican church itself , almost like dressing a chimp in a priest outfit …i feel it that way …I believe Rowan Williams being the first among equals should have protest against this issue in a more energetic way …i know he doest not have the same influence as the Pope but his voice wouldhave been heard …

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

While I TOTALLY agree with you 100% about everything you’ve said (especially WO and gays), keep in mind not all quarters of the Anglican Communion sanction these things. My bishop John-David Schofield, and bishops like +Jack Iker in Fort Worth, TX, do not permit women’s ordinations of any kind and they forbid gay “marriages.” So it’s by no means uniform. But, like you, I am disgusted and offended by it and the way the rest of the communion chooses to dialogue with and partner with groups that DO allow it. That’s why I’m most likely going to return to Catholicism. One reason anyway.

Well no, im Roman Catholic , but i love to go to a anglo-catholic service in a church called Saint Andrews here in the town where i live , the service is the tridentine mass the one that was used in the roman church before second Vatican Council ,therefore today im going at 12 pm , im looking forward i feel very good there …the priests are excellent people …very nice

But one of the reasons that keep me away from the anglican church is the ordination of women and the blessing of homosexual marriage …there are homosexual priests in the catholic church too BUT they are hiden , after all no Bishop 100 % accurate in knowing who is a straight priest or who is not …, but another thing is opnely know that this certain person is homosexual and then ordain him …about the priestesses , so far as i know pagans where the ones who had this type of religious orders , not christians …in my opinion ordering a woman as priest is a complete mockery of the sacrament of the holy orders …i dont know is like insulting the anglican church itself , almost like dressing a chimp in a priest outfit …i feel it that way …I believe Rowan Williams being the first among equals should have protest against this issue in a more energetic way …i know he doest not have the same influence as the Pope but his voice wouldhave been heard …

 

[masuwerte]

This is slightly off-topic, sorry. I can understand that some people believe that women don’t constitute proper matter for holy orders. There are good arguments on both sides of that issue. But I do find it quite offensive when someone equates ordaining a woman with ordaining a meerkat (Gurney) or a chimpanzee (Mori). Surely you must see the difference between a woman and an animal, guys?

 

[Memento_Mori]

This is slightly off-topic, sorry. I can understand that some people believe that women don’t constitute proper matter for holy orders. There are good arguments on both sides of that issue. But I do find it quite offensive when someone equates ordaining a woman with ordaining a meerkat (Gurney) or a chimpanzee (Mori). Surely you must see the difference between a woman and an animal, guys?

sorry if the topic offended you …but my intention wasnt to compare a human being with an animal …IS THE ACCION AND THE VALUE that certain episcopalians give to the holy others that seems like if the importance of this sacrament is something to " play " with …i dont know how to picture this : like a big mockery …for any serious religious person it will be like im making FUN of the holy orders by ordening women …in certain cases when someone wants to insult or degrade something they use midgets or chimps to dress them like the rank or uniform of the victim …Attila used a midget dressed like a roman soldier to mock the romans …something like that …i feel the accion of ordering a woman to the priesthood like A BIG MOCKERY …

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Ahhhh, but here’s the problem. You’re thinking I’m associating meercats (which I love incidentally, cute little guys) with women when in reality I’m chiding the fact that the TEC ordains gays, bisexuals, cross-dressers, and just about anyone who believes in or doesn’t believe in or does ANYTHING…don’t get offended. We’re just being goofy. Going to an Anglican parish for a while now, I can take Anglican jokes pretty well and love to kid around. I hold women in very high regard. My wife is well-respected and taken care of and loved by yours truly. And as a teacher I teach my kids in class to respect women, period. Women usually, in my experience, are the caretakers of children’s religion moreso than men in most cases and in my wife’s home country of the Philippines it is the women who are the real heads of the household as my wife’s whole family have practically no men in them. Why? Almost every man has cheated, left, abandoned the family, or is a drunk. In Catholic parishes, women are the heart and soul of education, piety, coordinating everything, and getting things done. I’m a big fan, don’t worry.

This is slightly off-topic, sorry. I can understand that some people believe that women don’t constitute proper matter for holy orders. There are good arguments on both sides of that issue. But I do find it quite offensive when someone equates ordaining a woman with ordaining a meerkat (Gurney) or a chimpanzee (Mori). Surely you must see the difference between a woman and an animal, guys?

 

[masuwerte]

…in reality I’m chiding the fact that the TEC ordains gays, bisexuals, cross-dressers, and just about anyone who believes in or doesn’t believe in or does ANYTHING.

Which is well worth chiding, IMHO. No offense taken, GH. BTW, my wife’s brother is a Catholic priest in the Philippines, and her second cousin is an IFI bishop in the same town.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

What part of the Philippines (I might have asked you before but am brain-dead right now )? My wife is from Baguio on the island of Luzon. I’ve been to the Phils four times, to Manila and Baguio mostly. I know the country well…I caught Typhoid Fever there last time so I’m not chomping at the bit to return!

Which is well worth chiding, IMHO. No offense taken, GH. BTW, my wife’s brother is a Catholic priest in the Philippines, and her second cousin is an IFI bishop in the same town.

 

[mark_a]

I also remember the story of an English woman who was a stigmatic. Apparently some Catholic officials visited her and told her that it was a sign she should become Catholic, and she replied that maybe it was a sign they should become Anglican!

 

[masuwerte]

Surigao del Norte. I’ve been there a few times, but never to Baguio. It’s a beautiful country with a lot of problems, but I hope we can go back for a vacation, maybe in a few years.

 

[GKC]

Surigao del Norte. I’ve been there a few times, but never to Baguio. It’s a beautiful country with a lot of problems, but I hope we can go back for a vacation, maybe in a few years.

Watch out, apparently, for the water.

GKC

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I think the either the History Channel or Discovery Channel re-broadcast the documentary about the real story behind the Exorcist movie about 4 weeks ago. In the real story, the possessed child was actually a boy.

And, as I recall, he had been playing with a Ouija Board.