What would it take to unite us all?

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Love_is_Patient said:
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I am praying for that day. The Catholic Church would be enriched and blessed by an influx of devout Christians from the Protestant tradition.

And I pray that it happens sooner rather than later.

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What a nice post!

1 Cor 13 šŸ‘
 
StillWondering said:
Also, Iā€™m not sure entirely what a Saint is besides an infallibly recognized title given to those who lived pious lives and under investigation are found within human reasoning and knowledge to be with God. I think it was in Pope John Paul II canonization ceremony of (hmm, I forgot the name) where he talks about saints in an early sense. Being humans we cannot be perfect in the sense that we can be perfected by God but we can live as perfect and earthly life as possible. So what I got from the speech and the definition of the title Saint is that the title is a recognition of a person being extraordinary in their holiness here on earth and their ability to intercede for us.
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Excellent points.

When a person is canonized a saint, this means that their Christian life should be known throughout the Church. It does not make them a ā€œsaintā€. All Christians are ā€œsaintsā€. Remember, we believe in the communion of saints, and that includes believers on earth.
 
TheosisM said:
Excellent points.

When a person is canonized a saint, this means that their Christian life should be known throughout the Church. It does not make them a ā€œsaintā€. All Christians are ā€œsaintsā€. Remember, we believe in the communion of saints, and that includes believers on earth.
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Very Protestant comment.
 
2nd_Adam said:
Very Protestant comment.
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Not really. The ā€œcommunion of saintsā€ is standard Catholic belief. Instead of limiting it to Catholics, I decided to be ā€œecumenicalā€ and say ā€œall Christiansā€.
 
TheosisM said:
Not really. The ā€œcommunion of saintsā€ is standard Catholic belief. Instead of limiting it to Catholics, I decided to be ā€œecumenicalā€ and say ā€œall Christiansā€.
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Are you familar with ECT 1 and ECT 2? We should start an ECT 3 movement right here on Catholic Answers. :juggle:
 
2nd_Adam said:
Are we saying the early Christian Church as in the book of Acts? We break bread in our homes during our small group Bible studies. I donā€™t think the Eucharist is practiced in your home gatherings. šŸ˜‰ Also notice that the end of this passage, monergism (Calviniism) is revealed. So much for free willā€¦ šŸ¤·

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Catholics can have mass in our homes, and the early Church did just that. This is not unique to protestantism.

I assume you couldnā€™t think of anything, which should tell you something.

We do find that the early Church was hierarchical, believed in the real physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, acknowledged to legitimacy of apostolic succession, practiced infant baptism, and followed a formula for worship that is almost identical to the modern mass.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Catholics can have mass in our homes, and the early Church did just that. This is not unique to protestantism.

I assume you couldnā€™t think of anything, which should tell you something.

We do find that the early Church was hierarchical, believed in the real physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, acknowledged to legitimacy of apostolic succession, practiced infant baptism, and followed a formula for worship that is almost identical to the modern mass.
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Thatā€™s not true my Catholic brother. I just started in Acts chapter 1 and got to chapter 2 for my posting. Hey, as a Reformed Padeo Baptist, I believe that the promise is for you and your household, and see that infants from a household of faith were baptized. šŸ˜‰
 
2nd_Adam said:
Thatā€™s not true my Catholic brother. I just started in Acts chapter 1 and got to chapter 2 for my posting. Hey, as a Reformed Padeo Baptist, I believe that the promise is for you and your household, and see that infants from a household of faith were baptized. šŸ˜‰
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I was looking for a belief or practice that is uniquely protestant in the early Church.

I mentioned a few that are definitely not held by most protestants today.

You brought up a personal interpretation of scripture. Thatā€™s a different debate entirely.(one that I will be glad to pursue, by the way!)
 
StillWondering said:
Because the Church is there to save the sinners and is founded by Christ, it is the perfect Church for a repeat sinner like me!

Remember the shepard spending all day to look for the lost sheep and when Jesus visited Zeddicus (sp?)
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Zacchaeus šŸ™‚ - [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=NIV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+19&version=NIV)​

house who works for the Romans, Jesus was definitely looking for us sinners not because we are sinners but because he loves us. Thatā€™s the Church he founded so it is perfect in the sense that is there to support the sinners to ā€œgo and sin no moreā€.
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To call it perfect even in that sense doesnā€™t match any sense of the word - that after all is not what people are likely to understand by the word; so to call it perfect would cause confusion; and there is plenty of that as it is.​

STM it is grossly imperfect, all-defective, endlessly sinful and utterly faulty in every way - and that its manifold inadequacies serve the all-important purposes of:
  • depriving us of any reason to boast of ourselves or of it
  • ensuring that all the glory for even the least good done by it (= by us who are it), remains and can remain Godā€™s Glory alone.
If it were perfect, God would be dis-glorified; for it would be glorified in in His stead :eek: Which would be horrendously bad news for it.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
I was looking for a belief or practice that is uniquely protestant in the early Church.

I mentioned a few that are definitely not held by most protestants today.

You brought up a personal interpretation of scripture. Thatā€™s a different debate entirely.(one that I will be glad to pursue, by the way!)
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Infant baptism is practiced by some Protestants like myself. Iā€™m not sure what you are getting at. We know that through the book of Acts, the church practiced the sacrament of communion. I believe in remnant theology; therefore, it is not so much about what is Protestant or what is Catholic exclusively since the remnant is found in all Christian communities. The early church as well as Protestants and Catholic practice the sacrament of baptism too. Iā€™m not sure how Catholics can show through the book of Acts, more than two sacraments?
 
Zundrah said:
Is this true, do protestants out number catholics?
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According to a 2007 survey, the following is the order of religious preferences in the United States:

Christianity: (78.4%)
Protestantism (51.3%)
Roman Catholicism (23.9%)
Mormon (1.7%)
Jehovahā€™s Witness (0.7%)
Orthodox Church (0.6%)
other Christian (0.3%)
Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (16.1%)
Judaism (1.7%)
Buddhist (0.7%)
Islam (0.6%)
Hinduism (0.4%)
other (1.2%)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
 
2nd_Adam said:
I am already catholic, without joining the Catholic Church. Actually, in the United States of America, Protestants greatly outnumber Catholics. This country was founded on Calvinism Christianity. Who came over on the Mayflower?

http://www.gruts.com/archive/2007/images/puritans.jpg

We escaped the Church of England and the Church of Rome! (just kidding)ā€¦
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2nd_Adam said:
According to a 2007 survey, the following is the order of religious preferences in the United States:

Christianity: (78.4%)
Protestantism (51.3%)
Roman Catholicism (23.9%)
Mormon (1.7%)
Jehovahā€™s Witness (0.7%)
Orthodox Church (0.6%)
other Christian (0.3%)
Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (16.1%)
Judaism (1.7%)
Buddhist (0.7%)
Islam (0.6%)
Hinduism (0.4%)
other (1.2%)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States
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Wow, but Iā€™m sure catholics out number protestants globaly? Your survey says Roman Catholic, but the Roman rite is just one of many catholic rites.
 
Zundrah said:
Wow, but Iā€™m sure catholics out number protestants globaly? Your survey says Roman Catholic, but the Roman rite is just one of many catholic rites.
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Correct. Protestants believe in birth control. šŸ˜‰ My point was about America being founded on Calvinism.
 
Zundrah said:
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Puritans and Pilgrims were Calvinists. The First Great Awakening was grounded in the truths of Calvinism.

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ā€œPaul was a Calvinistā€
 
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