What Would Jesus Drive? Pope Tells Priests To Buy Humble Cars

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If one’s faith is in the economy first and foremost, I would say that one should support the economy to ensure that all prosper and even the poor experience the trickle down, and hopefully more than that, the stream down, effects of a vibrant economy. I believe there is a lot of truth to this proposition, and I agree more with it more than the tax and spend philosophy of the other side. But my faith is not first and foremost in the economy, it is first and foremost in God and his Infinite bounty. I don’t advocate reckless spending and therefore presumption regarding God’s providence, nor do I advocate measures to stimulate the economy in lieu of providing direct help to the needy especially where direct help is urgently needed. If I had to choose between donating my money to help stimulate the economy or donating it to provide direct assistance to the needy, I would choose the latter every time. God honors unselfish acts of mercy. Jesus did not refrain from healing every form of sickness and disease because in might put doctors and magicians out of work and subsequently do damage to Jewish economy.

I don’t buy the argument that the car purchased must be a luxury car. Instead, buy two or three cheaper cars, and give the excess car or two to the poor. There is no valid argument to live high on the hog to stimulate the economy in lieu of providing direct assistance to the needy. I’d rather employ people on the assembly lines and in the repair shops making and repairing more cars (not the luxury ones), because it means that more people who need cars will now have them, and the greater number of cars will put more people to work that the fewer luxury cars. The wealth will stream down to the poor in the form of jobs and cars instead of mainly being captured in the luxurious living of the wealthy.

On the airline scenario, there is no moral imperative to spend money where no need exists, but solely to stimulate the economy. Should we teach our children to withhold their church contributions and use them instead to take trips to the Caribbean in order to stimulate the tourist industry? Think of all those jobs-- travel agents, ship personnel, entertainers, diesel (or whatever ships run on) sales, souvenir shops, taxicabs, etc. No, even though it would stimulate the economy, it is an absurd idea. The help that it will do for our economy or to the visited economies will not meet the specific, urgent needs of the people directly where and when they are needed, even though it may help some of the people in some of the places in an untimely manner by the effects of a general prosperity over time.

To advocate for luxury spending in lieu of using the same money to provide direct assistance to the poor is a perversion of the gospel and indicates a lack of faith in God’s providence. Does anyone imagine that God is sitting in heaven hoping that people will wise up and buy more luxury cars in order to help the poor? Or does anyone thing that Almighty God will ignore the generosity of people to the poor in His Name, and fail to fill the gap where such generosity falls short? What is Providence if it is not doing whatever we can to help each other and then depending on God to supply whatever is lacking?

Our materialistic philosophy is seek first to be able to make a living, then to climb the economic ladder, and finally when one has acquired security, home, car, money in the bank, turn to God and seek his kingdom. Jesus’ philosophy turns our philosophy on its head. Seek first the kingdom of God and all this will be added to you. St. Francis took Jesus’ philosophy seriously. In terms of the vast populations that have lived down through the ages, not many have taken it seriously, unless they were poor or disadvantaged and thereby able to see and understand God’s Providence firsthand. Most of us have so much wealth in historical terms that we are not able to experience the Providence of God. We don’t need his Providence. We have decent jobs; insurance against accidents, liability, sickness and old age; we have homes and cars; and we have plenty of things with which to entertain ourselves. Providence is something we only think of if we lose our job, become ill, or face some terrible disaster. We have built a life and consequently a society that does not depend on God. We rely on the economy and the medical profession.
 
I’ve seen a priest ride a Harley. Don’t see why priest can’t have a little bit of fun. BTW what if you’re a car collector or enjoy restoring vehicles?
 
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I think I see what Francis is trying to do. It’s good to know somebody’s making enough to money at their job to buy a new car. Maybe a used car is more humble? And if people are scrutinizing the cars their priests own … maybe a little message marketing would be good.

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Nothing wrong in a priest having a nice car. Plenty wrong in a priest having a very expensive car that is a gas guzzler etc. Remember, it’s a vocation. A priest has every right to have a decent, reliable car but to see one driving around in a top of the range one is abit hypocritical when the parish / community are poor etc.

Even a priest living in a wealthy parish should aim to ‘spread the wealth’ so to speak. That extra 20k on a better car could go towards the needs of the parish. Humble is the right word chosen by the Pope.
 
Isn’t this betraying a rather simplistic view of economics? If I buy a car, or a work of art or something, the money I spend goes to employ various people who are providing services to manufacture the car, create the art, etc. If all the world chose to buy cheaper cars, then jobs would be lost, because the luxury cars with no markets would be unable to employ people to make and repair them.

It seems to me that if the Church spends money, much of it does get to the poor, even if it is spent on an expensive thing. The Pope didn’t want people from Argentina to take plane flights to Rome to see him - what does he think that did for the airline industry between those two places? Wasn’t he offending struggling flight attendants and skycaps and pilots and service technicians, imagine all the people who keep planes in the air.

I just don’t understand this “save money to give it to the poor” thing. Yes, certainly, spend frugally and donate to institutions that help the poor, such as St. Vincent de Paul, but we should also keep in mind the economic stimulation that occurs when we actually shop and buy reasonably-priced products that we need.

For example, my parish church has undergone many physical improvements in the past few years. Now would the Holy Father say that we should let our buildings fall apart and become ugly and uninhabitable and give the money right to the poor instead? Aren’t we keeping numerous local contractors happy and fed and providing for their well-being by giving them a competitive chance on bids for renovating the church? Our pastor has added many works of art, such as a splendor around the tabernacle, and new statuary for the sanctuary. These works are all coming from a poor artist in Mexico who has trouble feeding his family from day to day. We are a substantial source of income for him and he is very grateful that he can support us in this way while we support him in this way. Is our money better spent directly to St. Vincent de Paul? What about the parishioners who give money in good faith and expect it to be used for the betterment of the church edifice and the greater glory of God? Is our worship not enhanced by these new accoutrements? Is the artist’s faith not strengthened by the opportunity for him to show his devotedness through these masterpieces? Would he be satisfied instead with a handout and no market at all for his art?
Again, I believe the Holy Father is suggesting that we spend less so that we can give more.

There are so many people who can use help, and even in our Catholic schools it would be nice if more Catholics contributed to help more kids attend, etc.
 
I’ve seen a priest ride a Harley. Don’t see why priest can’t have a little bit of fun. BTW what if you’re a car collector or enjoy restoring vehicles?
I think this is a good point. Parish (secular) priests are not ascetics. That is not their calling.
 
Nothing wrong in a priest having a nice car. Plenty wrong in a priest having a very expensive car that is a gas guzzler etc. Remember, it’s a vocation. A priest has every right to have a decent, reliable car but to see one driving around in a top of the range one is abit hypocritical when the parish / community are poor etc.

Even a priest living in a wealthy parish should aim to ‘spread the wealth’ so to speak. That extra 20k on a better car could go towards the needs of the parish. Humble is the right word chosen by the Pope.
Parish priests generally acquire their own cars. If a priest wants to buy a cheaper car, that’s fine. But the money saved is still his, not the parish’s.
 
Nothing wrong in a priest having a nice car. Plenty wrong in a priest having a very expensive car that is a gas guzzler etc. Remember, it’s a vocation. A priest has every right to have a decent, reliable car but to see one driving around in a top of the range one is abit hypocritical when the parish / community are poor etc.

Even a priest living in a wealthy parish should aim to ‘spread the wealth’ so to speak. That extra 20k on a better car could go towards the needs of the parish. Humble is the right word chosen by the Pope.
I don’t understand how the pope can be considered humble in this area. He lives in luxury; surrounded by luxury. Most Catholic families are living from pay check to pay check and many are living poverty level; as is most of te citizens of the US and yet they are told to be ‘humnble’. They can’t get much more humble! Sell the popemobile and share the funds with some of the poor families who are living in dire need. That would please God!
 
I don’t understand how the pope can be considered humble in this area. He lives in luxury; surrounded by luxury. Most Catholic families are living from pay check to pay check and many are living poverty level; as is most of te citizens of the US and yet they are told to be ‘humnble’. They can’t get much more humble! Sell the popemobile and share the funds with some of the poor families who are living in dire need. That would please God!
Yes, couldn’t this spikenard have been sold and the money given to the poor?
 
First, let’s not give Francis any ideas. He really enjoyed driving around in that Fiat that looked like it was about ready to break down yesterday. Second, I’m not sure what that vehicle could be used for other than as the Popemobile.
 
I don’t understand how the pope can be considered humble in this area. He lives in luxury; surrounded by luxury. Most Catholic families are living from pay check to pay check and many are living poverty level; as is most of te citizens of the US and yet they are told to be ‘humnble’. They can’t get much more humble! Sell the popemobile and share the funds with some of the poor families who are living in dire need. That would please God!
Nothing that has been purchased by himself, unlike the priests he is talking about. He lives in ‘History / Heritage’. It all belongs to the Catholic Church not by the pope as an individual.
 
I think this is a good point. Parish (secular) priests are not ascetics. That is not their calling.
True, but I would not equate not being able to drive a Harley with asceticism. We shouldn’t overstate the case. But I agree that there is nothing wrong with a priest driving a Harley.

Asceticism in not their calling, but being Jesus to the world is their calling. In fact, each of us is called to “put on” Jesus, whatever that means to each of our different lives. With a priest the difference is that they are called in a fuller sense, giving up a normal life to make the priesthood of Jesus their profession. How you flesh that out may vary. I don’t think it excludes riding a Harley or fixing up antique cars.
 
First, let’s not give Francis any ideas. He really enjoyed driving around in that Fiat that looked like it was about ready to break down yesterday. Second, I’m not sure what that vehicle could be used for other than as the Popemobile.
A Popemobile could be used by any unpopular figure who fears an attempt on his life. Maybe Assad is in the market? Mohamed Morsi? Maybe we should start a thread to see who is most likely to buy the Popemoblie if it is ever put up for auction. 😛
 
I don’t understand how the pope can be considered humble in this area. He lives in luxury; surrounded by luxury. Most Catholic families are living from pay check to pay check and many are living poverty level; as is most of te citizens of the US and yet they are told to be ‘humnble’. They can’t get much more humble! Sell the popemobile and share the funds with some of the poor families who are living in dire need. That would please God!
My friend, do you know where the Holy Father lives? Check out his home at the Casa Santa Marta. youtube.com/watch?v=CMsKYZZTAo4

The actual papal apartment, which Pope Francis does not use, is about the size of any middle class condo. It’s in a corner of the papal palace, which is really a warehouse for artifacts that belong to humanity, not to the pope. He has no legal claim on any of it. He does not bring any of it with him and if he leaves office, as did Pope Benedict, he takes none with him. You and I probably own more than the average pope.

The current pope didn’t own a car until a few weeks ago. He purchased a Ford Focus, not exactly a luxury vehicle. Trust me, I recently drove one. I’m overweight. It’s the darndest car to get in and out of, because it’s so small. Only children or adults without legs fit in the back seat.

When he was packing his bags to go to Rome for the election, Cardinal Bergoglio’s friends purchased a pair of shoes for him, because his shoes had holes in the soles. Those are the shoes that he wears everyday.

Pope Benedict did not own a car even as Cardinal Ratzinger. He walked to work everyday and back home. He did not live in Vatican City. He went to live in Vatican City when he became pope. Again, the only thing that he owned was his library and the furniture in his office.

There is a lot of misinformation out there of how popes live.
 
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