What Would Jesus Drive? Pope Tells Priests To Buy Humble Cars

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True, but I would not equate not being able to drive a Harley with asceticism. We shouldn’t overstate the case. But I agree that there is nothing wrong with a priest driving a Harley.

Asceticism in not their calling, but being Jesus to the world is their calling. In fact, each of us is called to “put on” Jesus, whatever that means to each of our different lives. With a priest the difference is that they are called in a fuller sense, giving up a normal life to make the priesthood of Jesus their profession. How you flesh that out may vary. I don’t think it excludes riding a Harley or fixing up antique cars.
They do give up some parts of a normal life. But poverty is not part of the calling of secular priests. They are not expected to give up all of their own money and possessions to the parish (as was suggested in one of the posts above) or to give up any idea of having fun. If a priest wants to have a fun car (or motorcycle) and has his own money for it, good for him.
 
They do give up some parts of a normal life. But poverty is not part of the calling of secular priests. They are not expected to give up all of their own money and possessions to the parish (as was suggested in one of the posts above) or to give up any idea of having fun. If a priest wants to have a fun car (or motorcycle) and has his own money for it, good for him.
This is rather sticky point. A secular priest does not make a vow of poverty. This is true. However, it is not true that secular priests are free to do as they wish with their money. This depends on where they are. A secular priest that lives in community is bound by the constitutions of that community (ie. Maryknoll, Vincentians, Missionhurst, SOLT, FSSP, ICRSS). These institutes do impose restrictions of the use of money, even though these priests are paid a salary. Vincentians and Maryknoll have very strict norms on poverty.

A diocese can impose restrictions on how its priests use money as well. Canon law says that a secular priest must always be a model of simplicity and humility. It is the bishop who defines what is simplicity.

Beyond this, it is also true that the pope, because he has universal jurisdiction can dictate to any priest or to any religious the parameters for the exercise of poverty. One of the points that has already been noted by superiors is that the Pope said to the seminarians and religious novices, “You can’t do this.” His message was pretty obvious. In a nutshell, he was telling us that he disapproves. As the superior, whatever he disapproves must be taken seriously.

I found it especially interesting that the descriptions that the pope was giving of simplicity and poverty are paraphrases from the Franciscan statutes. He very much reminds me of Pope Leo XIII who also tried to inspire the entire Church to adopt much of the Franciscan asceticism. I believe that it was Pope Pius XII who directed the bishops to promote Franciscan spirituality among the lay faithful. I would not be surprised if without ever mentioning the term Franciscan, Pope Francis continues to steer the entire Church toward a more Franciscan expression of the Gospel.

What is totally fascinating for anyone who knows the Franciscan and Jesuit schools is that he is promoting very Franciscan ideals using very Jesuit methods. If one pays close attention, one can see how the two schools complement each other and serve the needs of the Church, which is what the Holy Spirit intended when he raised them up. Providence decided that the Church needs a faithful religious at the top at this time in history.
 
Seeing that Jesus was an avid outdoorsman (losts of hiking, fished quite a bit), I am suggesting a stock Jeep Wrangler.
 
They do give up some parts of a normal life. But poverty is not part of the calling of secular priests. They are not expected to give up all of their own money and possessions to the parish (as was suggested in one of the posts above) or to give up any idea of having fun. If a priest wants to have a fun car (or motorcycle) and has his own money for it, good for him.
Poverty is the calling of everyone, maybe not as a vow, but in the practice of charity. It is still the mindset of the saint that if he has two coats, one of them belongs to his brother who has none. I think is was wise of the Pope to encourage humility in the choice of a car. A priest, more than others, is called to put on Christ.

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!


As for fun, I should hope there is no proscription on having fun. I can’t think of a more humble and poor saint than Francis of Assisi, nor one who had more fun. Maybe, we Americans are looking for fun in all the wrong places. Just a thought. Peace.
 
Poverty is the calling of everyone, maybe not as a vow, but in the practice of charity. It is still the mindset of the saint that if he has two coats, one of them belongs to his brother who has none. I think is was wise of the Pope to encourage humility in the choice of a car. A priest, more than others, is called to put on Christ.
But aren’t you talking about a poverty of spirit and not of material need? I am just a little uncomforable with the idea that a priest might be judged by something so external as the kind of car he drives. From my own limited experience, some of the most orthodox and faithful priests I know drive nice cars and trade them in every few years. These men are also immensely charitable with their possessions and with their time. On the other hand, some of the priests I know (and one Bishop) who drive old and cheap cars are some of the most heterodox and dissident.

I would much rather see a priest who is faithful than see a priest who takes on the material appearance of poverty.
 
But aren’t you talking about a poverty of spirit and not of material need?
Is that what you got from my example of two coats? If it is, it’s not what I meant.

With the world in the shape it’s in, I think a parish priest driving a fancy, expensive car sends the wrong message. A new car is fine; they need dependable transportation. Also, their activities may determine the type of vehicle. A brand new Ford or Chevrolet does not raise eyebrows, but I believe a brand new Mercedes or Cadillac does. It’s what you would expect from the preachers of the prosperity gospel, not a Catholic priest.
 
I do know a couple of clergy who are really into material things, unfortunately!
 
Where do priests get their cars anyway. I guess I just assumed it was supplied by the parish.:confused:
 
Some priests get them from family.
So why don’t those priests in a diplomatic way express thanks, but firmly suggest they are given a more modest [although reliable] set of wheels, with the $$$ difference going to some [other] worthy charitable cause? 👍
 
I don’t think too much should be read into this. If a wealthy parishoner or family member wants to give a priest something cool as an act of love, the priest (or the donor) should not be judged by the car he drives. The Holy Father, on the other hand, was simply passing on the advice as a father for priests to use their money wisely and in accord with the Gospel, if they are doing the buying.
 
Where do priests get their cars anyway. I guess I just assumed it was supplied by the parish.:confused:
In our parish, one of the member families owns a Ford dealership. They supply the pastor with a vehicle. It’s not a Lincoln, nor is it a Fiesta; it’s a Mercury, a nice sedan.
 
I don’t think too much should be read into this. If a wealthy parishoner or family member wants to give a priest something cool as an act of love, the priest (or the donor) should not be judged by the car he drives. The Holy Father, on the other hand, was simply passing on the advice as a father for priests to use their money wisely and in accord with the Gospel, if they are doing the buying.
True, but if I were a priest and my family gifted me a Rolls, I think I’d say, “Please, Mom and Dad, thanks for the generous gift, I love it and it’s really beautiful, but I think it sends the wrong message. Most people will have no idea that this was a gift, plus the fact that I have to minister to some people who live in abject poverty. It will make my job easier and more effective if I drive a more humble vehicle. Let’s return it to the dealer and get a nice full size Ford or Mercury instead. Deal?”

I doubt the Pope envisioned priests being able to buy extravagant cars from their meager salaries. I have a good income, much better than a priest’s, and I don’t feel it’s a good use of my money to buy a Mercedes. And if they are independently wealthy, then they are not faced with the dilemma of a gift. It just sends the wrong message. YMMV. Peace.
 
True, but if I were a priest and my family gifted me a Rolls, I think I’d say, “Please, Mom and Dad, thanks for the generous gift, I love it and it’s really beautiful, but I think it sends the wrong message. Most people will have no idea that this was a gift, plus the fact that I have to minister to some people who live in abject poverty. It will make my job easier and more effective if I drive a more humble vehicle. Let’s return it to the dealer and get a nice full size Ford or Mercury instead. Deal?”
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Doesn’t seem to be an issue for the president.
 
True, but if I were a priest and my family gifted me a Rolls, I think I’d say, “Please, Mom and Dad, thanks for the generous gift, I love it and it’s really beautiful, but I think it sends the wrong message. Most people will have no idea that this was a gift, plus the fact that I have to minister to some people who live in abject poverty. It will make my job easier and more effective if I drive a more humble vehicle. Let’s return it to the dealer and get a nice full size Ford or Mercury instead. Deal?”
If you were a priest and chose to do that, great. But here’s a real example. The mother of one of the priests in my parents’ parish died. He inherited an older (but hardly ever driven) Mercedes. He could have traded it in for a Chevy. But he would have had to spend more money, ended up with a less reliable car and given up something that had sentimental value to him. Should he have done so just to give** the appearance **of a more humble vehicle? I don’t think so. I think the “message” that anyone infers can be one consideration but it shouldn’t override all other considerations, including common sense.
 
Doesn’t seem to be an issue for the president.
You noticed that, too? :rotfl:

Actually it is an issue, only the 100,000,000 people it’s an issue with, weren’t able to keep him out of office.
 
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