What would Jesus say to Joseph Smith

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Often the Father’s spoke of pagan “gods” as actually being demons. I suppose we could argue that mormon polytheism is demonic. After all what did Satan promise Adam and Eve? That they would become “gods.” Just what Smith said.
 
Exalted Padre,
I have enjoyed the "What would Jesus say to…) threads especially the one to Muhammed but I ask that you please not write a “What would Jesus say to Father Wesley” thread:)
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See my quotation of Catechism paragraph 460. Your statement that we in “no way” become gods seems to contradict it.
I think you misinterpret the Catechism, as well. But I am not Catholic and could probably if given enough time point out many errors within the Catechism. Nonetheless, the idea that the ancient Israelites were henotheistic has been reiterated by many critics of the true religion. Yet though it seems clear to me from instances such as Jacob’s reaction to God’s revelation at Bethel that the patriarchs were less than sound monotheists, by the time of Moses, the Israelites knew full-well that there was but one God, Yahweh. And the Scriptures refer to Yahweh as having defeated (and judged) the “gods” of Egypt. Does this mean that this clearly wicked deities were realities? 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 makes it clear, as it’s been pointed out, that “there may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. But we know that *there is only one God, *the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.”

Search and find a single instance in which God acknowledges a god besides himself as authentic, as being worthy of praise. As even Rahab knew, “Yahweh your God is the supreme God of the heavens above and the earth below.” And as through Isaiah spoke the Name, “I alone am God… There is no other.”
 
See my quotation of Catechism paragraph 460
I think you misinterpret the Catechism, as well. But I am not Catholic and could probably if given enough time point out many errors within the Catechism. Nonetheless, the idea that the ancient Israelites were henotheistic has been reiterated by many critics of the true religion. Yet though it seems clear to me from instances such as Jacob’s reaction to God’s revelation at Bethel that the patriarchs were less than sound monotheists, by the time of Moses, the Israelites knew full-well that there was but one God, Yahweh. And the Scriptures refer to Yahweh as having defeated (and judged) the “gods” of Egypt. Does this mean that the clearly wicked deities were realities? 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 makes it clear, as it’s been pointed out, that “there may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. But we know that *there is only one God, *the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.”

Search and find a single instance in which God acknowledges a god besides himself as authentic, as being worthy of praise. As even Rahab knew, “Yahweh your God is the supreme God of the heavens above and the earth below.” And as through Isaiah spoke the Name, “I alone am God… There is no other.”
 
to cestusdei : sorry but iam lost who is joseph smith:shrug: promise, O blessed St. Jude, to be ever mindful of this great favor, to always honor you as my special and powerful patron, and to gratefully encourage devotion to you by publishing this request. Amen."
 
Joseph Smith is (arguably) the author of the Book of Mormon and is the person who founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Mormons believe he was a prophet that he restored the TRUE CHURCH. They believe they are Christians, but their definition of most Christian terms is at variance with most other Christian faiths.

The Mormon belief in the restoration of the “true church” pre-supposes that the TRUE CHURCH, as they understand it, once existed on the Earth centuries ago and somehow (they don’t explain how) the Church was lost and then was RESTORED in the 1800’s in the United States. The fact that there is NO RECORD of such an early church matching their belief system doesn’t seem to affect their faith.

I’m sorry if this answer raises more questions, but there you are.
 
thank you melannie annie do you have a place where i can go an read more about it.May the Sacred Heart of Jesus be Adored, Glorified, Loved & Preserved throughout the world, now & forever. Sacred Heart of Jesus, please pray for me. Saint Jude, Worker of Miracles, please pray for me. Saint Jude, Helper of the Hopeless, please pray for me. Amen."
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For a priest, it would seem you’re rather overstepping your bounds, cestus. Acting in persona Christi for the purposes of consecration is the priest’s domain; speaking as him is not a privilege granted to even the pope.

I would like to imagine the Christ’s words to each of your targets would be ‘hey, man, let’s ditch this crowd and grab a beer’ (Mohammed could get coffee, I guess) but then I am not pretending to speak for a god.
And it’s a good thing too, Mirdath, you being an agnostic and all. Agnosticism has always been to me the biggest cop-out. If you really have courage, just say that you are an atheist and have done. OR, accept that Jesus is Lord and Saviour and that the Catholic Church is His. One way or the other, show some grit. Cestus is using what is called “irony”, much like another self-proclaimed “agnostic”, Samuel Clemens, better known as Mark Twain. Right on, Cestusdei.👍
 
And it’s a good thing too, Mirdath, you being an agnostic and all. Agnosticism has always been to me the biggest cop-out. If you really have courage, just say that you are an atheist and have done. OR, accept that Jesus is Lord and Saviour and that the Catholic Church is His. One way or the other, show some grit. Cestus is using what is called “irony”, much like another self-proclaimed “agnostic”, Samuel Clemens, better known as Mark Twain. Right on, Cestusdei.👍
I have courage enough to respond and to debate in a place that’s generally been less than friendly to me; I have courage enough to say in front of hundreds of faithful that my only belief is that knowing is impossible; I have courage enough to take full responsibility for my own evil and my own good rather than passing it off on a devil or a god. Don’t talk to me about courage.

And if cestusdei’s threads are acceptable (and irony is not the literary device being used here, by the way, and his writing is not a patch on Twain), why was this thread locked? Cestus’ threads are mere copycats of famdigy’s, and rather less moderated and polite in tone – and the masturbatory cheering going on in them isn’t helping at all.

I PMed the mod who locked famdigy’s thread some days ago, asking why this double standard is being enforced; I have had no response yet.
 
Oh please GROW UP!
I’m not even sure what you’re objecting to here; I expressed myself calmly, clearly, and rather more maturely than many other posters here, including you. If you want me to relax or abandon my moral strictures, then I’m afraid I’m not about to do that. I invite you to work out a decent set for yourself, however.
 
I’m not even sure what you’re objecting to here; I expressed myself calmly, clearly, and rather more maturely than many other posters here, including you. If you want me to relax or abandon my moral strictures, then I’m afraid I’m not about to do that. I invite you to work out a decent set for yourself, however.
First, did I quote you? And if not, why take it as an answer to something you wrote?

Next, leaving aside your self-serving statements about how you expressed yourself, PLEASE show me SPECIFICALLY how I have asked you to “relax or abandon” your moral strictures in the few short words I wrote. Even if you take my post as a personal attack, please explain how that is a request for you to alter your moral code. And if you can’t do that then ???

As to working out a “decent set” (of moral strictures?) for myself, that’s not worthy of a response.
 
If you ask an Eastern Orthodox priest he will be happy to explain to you how mormons have it wrong. I also doubt Dr. Kreeft is enamored of mormon theology. Procreation is not necessary in heaven. The problem was that Smith was very interested in sex and couldn’t imagine paradise without it. So he based his theology on sex, or rather lust. The fact remains that mormons use our terms, but mean something different.
I actually asked that question on the Eastern Christianity forum, and someone gave a very informative response. Perhaps if you search for it, you can find it.
 
First, did I quote you? And if not, why take it as an answer to something you wrote?
It was posted directly after one of mine without any clear relation to an earlier post. If you were addressing someone else, pardon me – and consider quoting that person 😉
 
Wow. What a completely antagonistic thread. Thanks for applying the Christian love that we’re all supposed to setting an example of.
 
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