What would you do if the next Pope allowed the Ordination of Women?

[larryo]

There have been 262 or 263 men who have been popes, depending on how you count. There is no instance in almost 2,000 years of Church history that a pope has contradicted the teaching of previous popes. Pope John Paul II definitively addressed the question of the ordination of women. He rightly concluded that the Church has no authority to ordain women, just as the Church has no authority to deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist or to eliminate one of the Holy Trinity from the Godhead. This just won’t happen regardless of who is elected to succeed John Paul II. The radical feminists who push this unorthodox agenda are more concerned with Marxist ideology than with the Catholic Faith. It’s a funny thing about “liberals” of any kind, religious or political. They can’t meet or adhere to the standards, rules, laws, etc.,so their answer is always to lower or water down the standards, rules, laws, etc…

 

[Rob_s_Wife]

after all a womans place really is in the home and raising the children

Actually, I think that’s the primary place for men and women. I really hate when I hear a mom say “My husband is going to babysit while I do __.” I always respond with, Huh? “Babysit”? Surely you mean “parent”?! Work (for male or female) supports the home - not replaces the parent’s place in it.

I’m sure you didn’t mean your comment that way - just thought I’d add my .02 to it.

As for my use of the word “silly” and “duh” in a previous post - the sentiment stands, but I’ll admit I could have been more tactfull in my turn of phrase.

 

[bjorn]

A&O:

Or living a celibate life, possibly becoming a nun/sister.

This argument is as silly as a man crying out “Why can I not bear children?!” and giving the finger to God.

i truly dont believe that rob’s wife was intending to “give the finger” to God as you say she was simply pointing out that men and women have clearly different roles in life.

 

[Rob_s_Wife]

Thank you for the defence, but I don’t think her comment was directed to me (as I agree with her and can’t imagine doing anything so ??? to God!).

As for clearly different roles… I think men and women are different and that’s good and the way God made things. That vague enough?

 

[Dr.Bombay]

Thankfully, outside of the dying West, the rest of the Church doesn’t seem overly concerned with girl priests. Since we have the luxury of not worrying where our next meal is coming from, or our child contracting a deadly disease, or a death squad busting down the door of our church on Sunday and arresting us all, we are able to waste time debating trendy, idiotic frivolities like priestesses.

In most cases the world revolves around America. But not in the Church. Deo Gratias.

Now, don’t you dames have laundry to do or something? We men have important issues to discuss. :tsktsk:

 

[A_O]

bjorn:

i truly dont believe that rob’s wife was intending to “give the finger” to God as you say she was simply pointing out that men and women have clearly different roles in life.

I was saying that advocating female priesthood is about the same as demanding that men have the right to bear children. They are completely different roles. I’m sorry if I confused anyone.

 

[Batgirl1415]

It can’t happen

It’s pretty much impossible

 

[jpjd]

I am astounded that, on a board so dominated by people who can’t accept Vatican II, and who think any word or movement different from the GIRM is a liturgical abuse, these same people could accept a female priest (not girl priests, Dr. Bombay --that’s VERY condescending).

I have a hard time with the idea of a female priest and I’m not being sexist. It’s just that I see a priest during Mass and in confession as standing in for Christ. I can’t see that with a woman.

And on a practical level, how on earth could you assign male and female priests to the same parish??? Are they to live together, unmarried and chaste, in the rectory??? Talk about the appearance of impropriety. Or are some parishes going to be male priest only or female priest only – separate but equal? Sounds like a can of worms to me.

 

[puzzleannie]

pinch myself to wake up from a bad dream. it will never happen because the Holy Spirit protects the Church and the Pope from teaching heresy.

 

[ThornGenX]

From all the programs I hear on my Catholic radio station, a change in the rule about allowing female priests seems about as likely as me winning the big prize in the state lottery two or three times in a row.

If it did happen, I would stay in the Church, but I would deep down wonder if it were still the true Catholic Church. Of all the Church’s teachings, I struggle with this one most. In part this results from my own gender issues. Also, I grew up were more and more gender barriers seem to fall and women gain access to careers and positions seemed impossible for women to obtain.

Any suggestions on things I could read and pray over to open my heart and mind to this long standing teaching of the Catholic Chruch? I am not trying to be a dissenter, but asking for help to see Christ’s plan in this.

 

[Brendan]

anamchara:

I wouldn’t have a big problem with it and would obey but my question here is. I was under the impression that this was not said ex-cathedra? and also why is this such a big scary thought for many on this board? I’m asking an honest question here.

It was declared to be ex cathedra

That exact question was asked of the Vatican and here is the response

Responsum ad Dubium
October 28, 1995

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Concerning the Teaching Contained in
Ordinatio Sacerdotalis

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Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith

Dubium: Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.

Responsum: In the affirmative.

This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Lumen Gentium 25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.

The Sovereign Pontiff John Paul II, at the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, approved this Reply, adopted in the ordinary session of this Congregation, and ordered it to be published.

Rome, from the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, on the Feast of the Apostles SS. Simon and Jude, October 28, 1995.

• Joseph Card. Ratzinger
  Prefect

 

[gelsbern]

Stone Cold:

The question is moot because reserving ordination to men only is not a discipline. Christ instituted the sacraments, which means He instituted the matter and form. Since the form for ordination is a baptized unmarried male, this cannot be altered, just as the Church cannot add or subtract any one of the sacraments.

Unmarried was not part of it which the church DID add to it by requiring those willing to be celibate.

 

[cutecathchic]

Dr. Bombay:

Now, don’t you dames have laundry to do or something? We men have important issues to discuss. :tsktsk:

i think this says it all. anyone still disagree that this is sexism at its worst or that this is a mens only club?

 

[fix]

cutecathchic:

i think this says it all. anyone still disagree that this is sexism at its worst or that this is a mens only club?

He is joking.

 

[cutecathchic]

fix:

He is joking.

and that makes it allright to dismiss women as insignificant and poke fun at us?

 

[fix]

cutecathchic:

and that makes it allright to dismiss women as insignificant and poke fun at us?

He was making light of the situation. Are you claiming his quip was so significant that you are offended?

 

[anamchara]

Actually, I think that’s the primary place for men and

women. I really hate when I hear a mom say “My husband is going to babysit while I do __.” I always respond with, Huh? “Babysit”? Surely you mean “parent”?! Work (for male or female) supports the home - not replaces the parent’s place in it.

Amens Rob’s wife and very well put. I also hate that when women make that comment. The other is “oh I have four boys in the house” meaning one is actually the husband it gives men an out when women do that, as if they are too stupid to do anything around the house. My husband hates the commericals that make men out to be these big boy idoits that can’t change a diaper let alone feed a baby. I don’t blame him. It’s all about working together as a team.

Anyway good post

 

[Tietjen]

cutecathchic:

i think this says it all. anyone still disagree that this is sexism at its worst or that this is a mens only club?

How naive of you. Apparently, you lack the insight into humor which was the original author’s intent. All humor aside, I find your posts to be the only sexist rantings within this forum:

cutecathchic:

1)"…mens only club"
2)"…is that how you identify yourself? by the man that you belong to?"
3)"…just shows the sexist nature of your argument."

Are you capable of posting without calling someone ELSE a sexist?
God bless.

 

[Fox]

It will never be, the Church can’t change Doctrine.

 

[Catholic2003]

Telling a joke about a women’s place being in the laundry, and then claiming that the restriction against women priests comes from divine law, lends about as much credibility to the topic as Garfield claiming he didn’t eat the lasagna.