What Would You Most Like Pope Francis To Do?

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Out with pomp and circumstance
Elaborate, please.

Vestments?
Incense during a High Mass?
All High Masses?
The Extraordinary Form?
Any use of Latin?
The OF?
The NO?
Music?
Tne entrance procession?
Altar rails?
The liturgical prayers?

And “simplicity” would be?

Why don’t you describe for us the perfect new liturgy? 😉
 
kneeling and communion on the tongue,as for someone saying at the last supper it was probably in the hand , i believe no one but the consecrated hands of a priest should touch the sacred host ,which the apostles were
Sorry, but that is very unlikely to happen. Jesuits are about moving forward and dealing with the realities of the world we now live in.These things are not what is wrong with the Church. There are much more important things to deal with, which is why I think he was chosen.

I hope he can stop “faithful Catholic” from using the Word of God in the Bible as a way to damn other to hell, often done here on these posts. Being brought up by Jesuit priest, I never once heard them say someone was going to hell. What I heard was sinners, which we all are, can ask God for forgiven with true sincerity and have a place in heaven. I hope hope he stops all the judging Catholic are doing these days, and I think he will definitely try.

Those who are not open mind may not like this new pope. Jesuit high schools all over the country welcome students of all faiths to attend their schools. All students must attend Mass and complete 4 years of theology, but they don’t teach that other religions are wrong and that if those student don’t become Catholic they will not be saved. The students learn about all types of religion and what those religions have offered the world. There are Protestant, Jews, Agnostics, etc. at these school and they are all treated as equals students. That is what you will get from a Jesuit as Pope.
 
Out with pomp and circumstance . In with simplicity .
Jesus Christ is King. I do not demand that my King wear the clothes of a beggar.

Why build great churches? Because God is great. Why have beautiful vestments? Because God is beautiful. Why have fine vessels? Because the vessels are to contain the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, God of the universe.

Why be solemn and reverent? Because God is all and we are nothing. God is first. He is the Master and we are the servants. He cannot be honored too much.

Also: Mass is not a show. It is not a stage performance to entertain us. If it were, then I too would counsel austerity in it. But it is not that. It is the worship of Jesus Christ. Therefore I council that it be lavish, as our love for Him should be lavish.

Should we sell our vessel of spikenard and give the money to the poor?
 
Jesus Christ is King. I do not demand that my King wear the clothes of a beggar.

Why build great churches? Because God is great. Why have beautiful vestments? Because God is beautiful. Why have fine vessels? Because the vessels are to contain the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, God of the universe.

Why be solemn and reverent? Because God is all and we are nothing. God is first. He is the Master and we are the servants. He cannot be honored too much.

Also: Mass is not a show. It is not a stage performance to entertain us. If it were, then I too would counsel austerity in it. But it is not that. It is the worship of Jesus Christ. Therefore I council that it be lavish, as our love for Him should be lavish.

Should we sell our vessel of spikenard and give the money to the poor?
Mere things do not show our love of God or show how great He is. It is how we practice our faith and how we treat his other children that show him true respect. Ornate churches and vestments are man made things that are the fluff of our religion, but it has nothing to do with our faith and beliefs.
 
Jesus Christ is King. I do not demand that my King wear the clothes of a beggar.

Why build great churches? Because God is great. Why have beautiful vestments? Because God is beautiful. Why have fine vessels? Because the vessels are to contain the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, God of the universe.

Why be solemn and reverent? Because God is all and we are nothing. God is first. He is the Master and we are the servants. He cannot be honored too much.
Christ himself taught that we honor him primarily in how we live our lives, how we treat other people. Jesus himself taught that all the reverence, solemnity and grand churches in the world were an abomination in his sight unless we love each other.

Christ the King, not even wearing the chothes of a beggar but naked and alone, gave us the perfect example of this on the Cross.

-Tim-
 
Jesuit high schools all over the country welcome students of all faiths to attend their schools. All students must attend Mass and complete 4 years of theology, but they don’t teach that other religions are wrong and that if those student don’t become Catholic they will not be saved. The students learn about all types of religion and what those religions have offered the world. There are Protestant, Jews, Agnostics, etc. at these school and they are all treated as equals students.
Catholic high schools all over the country do the same. (Those run by Salesians, Sisters of the Sacred Heart, Sisters of Notre Dame, Franciscans, and many more religious communities.) Actually,it has almost always been true that Catholic schools included non-Catholics. It’s just that in the modern era, there have been increasingly more non-Catholic students, with some schools enrolling <50% Catholics due to population shifts and closures of many schools.

In all such schools, 4 years of theology are required, as are attendance at school Masses, for all students. The Jesuits are not exceptional in that regard either.

As to some supposed theology that ‘only Catholics will be saved,’ that isn’t even current in the Church, so I would expect the Jesuits to be as current as all the other faithful orders are.

The part I agree with, in your post, is that the Pope is unlikely to focus on minor, even if passionate, preferences among the laity for certain liturgical practices. He is going to focus on what are the most obvious and pressing needs in the Church as he discerns those, and his methods/approaches will be something we will all have to wait for.
 
Mere things do not show our love of God or show how great He is. It is how we practice our faith and how we treat his other children that show him true respect. Ornate churches and vestments are man made things that are the fluff of our religion, but it has nothing to do with our faith and beliefs.
So if you had a jar of oil worth $25,000 you would sell it and give the money to the poor?

I like to think that I would pour it out upon my Lord Jesus Christ to please and honor Him.
 
So if you had a jar of oil worth $25,000 you would sell it and give the money to the poor?

I like to think that I would pour it out upon my Lord Jesus Christ to please and honor Him.
The Jesus that I grew up learning about by the Jesuits would never want us to pour that oil on his feet rather than to sell it and give it to the poor. Jesus never wanted glory, he wanted us to help and love each other in His name.
 
The Jesus that I grew up learning about by the Jesuits would never want us to pour that oil on his feet rather than to sell it and give it to the poor. Jesus never wanted glory, he wanted us to help and love each other in His name.
The position which you impute to the Jesuits is the position taken by Judas Iscariot and in opposition to Saint Mary of Bethany, and to the Gospel.
 
The position which you impute to the Jesuits is the position taken by Judas Iscariot and in opposition to Saint Mary of Bethany, and to the Gospel.
Well I guess we will have to wait and see how Pope Francis handles those types of situation, but I am betting he would never wait oil that could bring $25,000 to the poor to be pored over his feet. Remember he wants to move forward.
 
He must find a way to speak to peoples hearts as Christ did and still does.

He must not get bogged down in arguing issues one-by-one. This is why modern society is in such a mess, we just go from issue to issue, arguing with each other endlessly, but never listening to each other, and never solving anything, yet we never give any real thought that if we just live a certain way, a specific way or a specific lifestyle, such as the Godly way, by the Gospels, all these issues would be rectified on their own.

So please Pope Francis, just live and breath the Gospels in everything you do, be Christlike and teach us to do the same, and the problems we face will cure themselves.
 
Excommunicate ALL so called “catholic” politicians that OPENLY support and PROMOTE Abortion, gay marriage etc. Basically anything that is contrary to Catholic teaching.

Revive the Church in South America…Catechesis for the Catholics there is very important so they are not convinced by other missionaries that they are NOT Christians…this has happened way too often and it leaves Catholics there vulnerable to suggestion that they aren’t Christians if they don’t know their faith.

Continue the New Evangelization that Pope Emeritus Benedict and Blessed John Paul II started! Continue Papal Tweeting.

**Bless a Rosary for me so I can add it to my Pope-blessed Rosary collection (I have two - one blessed by Blessed JPII and one by Pope Emeritus Benedict).

**may have to get this done by a priest in my diocese…
 
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He must find a way to speak to peoples hearts as Christ did and still does.

He must not get bogged down in arguing issues one-by-one. This is why modern society is in such a mess, we just go from issue to issue, arguing with each other endlessly, but never listening to each other, and never solving anything, yet we never give any real thought that if we just live a certain way, a specific way or a specific lifestyle, such as the Godly way, by the Gospels, all these issues would be rectified on their own.

So please Pope Francis, just live and breath the Gospels in everything you do, be Christlike and teach us to do the same, and the problems we face will cure themselves.
 
So if you had a jar of oil worth $25,000 you would sell it and give the money to the poor?

I like to think that I would pour it out upon my Lord Jesus Christ to please and honor Him.
Jesus indicated that was to be done because He was currently with them at the time and then He soon would not be. He has now been crucified, risen and ascended, He no longer is present as He was then (before the crucifixion and resurrection). He has explicitly told us we are to take care of the poor and needy–that when we do that, we do it to Him. So when we sell that jar of oil and give the money to the poor, we are, in fact, pouring it out on Him to please and honor Him, just as He asked us to. We are doing His Divine Will, which is more important than all the costly oils and goods of the world.

This, I believe, is in essence the example Pope Francis has been trying to set --we honor and serve Christ by honoring and serving others. The only thing I would wish him to do is follow the voice of the Holy Spirit and the Will of God. If that is done, the rest will take care of itself, as God sees fit, and in His timing. We cannot even begin to comprehend the infinite mind and wisdom of the Almighty, and the plans He has for His Church.
 
The Jesus that I grew up learning about by the Jesuits would never want us to pour that oil on his feet rather than to sell it and give it to the poor. Jesus never wanted glory, he wanted us to help and love each other in His name.
Correction, it was Judas who railed that the oil should be sold and the money given to the poor. Judas, being a thief as well as a traitor, had his own reasons for saying this, and concern for the poor was not one of them. Jesus did not object whatsoever to being anointed with the expensive oil. It had nothing to do with His earthly glory. Were you really taught the deeply flawed interpretation you have related?

“Mary took a pound of costly ointment of pure nard and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the ointment. But Judas Iscariot, one of his disciples (he who was to betray him), said, “Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denariib and given to the poor?” This he said, not that he cared for the poor but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box he used to take what was put into it. Jesus said,‘Let her alone, let her keep it for the day of my burial. The poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me.’” (John 12: 1-8)

Hahn, Scott; Mitch, Curtis; Scott Hahn; Curtis Mitch (2010-06-14). The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament (Kindle Locations 10412-10413). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.

From the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible commentary by Hahn and Mitch:

"12:3 pure nard: An imported spice from India. anointed the feet: Matthew and Mark have her also anoint the “head” of Jesus (Mt 26:7; Mk 14:3). the house was filled: The detail suggests John is testifying to what he himself smelled on the occasion. It may be symbolic of what Jesus says explicitly in the Synoptic tradition: the spread of the fragrance throughout the house anticipates the (Mt 26:13; Mk 14:9). Back to text.

12:5 three hundred denarii: Nearly an entire year’s income for a laborer, since a single denarius was equivalent to a single day’s wage (Mt 20:2). It is tragic that Judas complained about Mary’s extravagance when he himself betrayed Jesus for much less—a mere “thirty pieces of silver” (Mt 26:15). Back to text.

12:6 not that he cared: Judas wants to pocket the proceeds of the sale for himself, not to give it away as alms for the needy. the money box: Suggests that Judas was the treasurer in charge of the disciples’ funds (13:29; Lk 8:3). Back to text.

12:8 The poor: Jesus is not indifferent toward the poor. Elsewhere he promotes almsgiving in no uncertain terms (Mt 6:2-4; Lk 6:30; 12:33). • The words of Jesus echo the words of Deut 15:11, which states that the unceasing presence of the poor offers countless opportunities to give generously to less fortunate neighbors. The disciples, too, will have plenty of chances to give alms, but only a brief time remains to be generous toward Jesus while he remains among them (CCC 2449). Back to text."

Hahn, Scott; Mitch, Curtis; Scott Hahn; Curtis Mitch (2010-06-14). The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament (Kindle Locations 11718-11727). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.
 
The Jesus that I grew up learning about by the Jesuits would never want us to pour that oil on his feet rather than to sell it and give it to the poor. Jesus never wanted glory, he wanted us to help and love each other in His name.
"3 While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

4 Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume? 5 It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages[a] and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

6 “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me." (Mk 14:3-6)

I say bring back the regal pomp and ceremony. To honor the Church is to honor God. There is a dignity and authority to be found in ceremony and grandeur. That said, I think those of us who want to see such things restored will be left waiting for a future Pope. It does not appear to be the current Holy Father’s mission, if yesterday was any indication.
 
Jesus indicated that was to be done because He was currently with them at the time and then He soon would not be. He has now been crucified, risen and ascended, He no longer is present as He was then (before the crucifixion and resurrection). He has explicitly told us we are to take care of the poor and needy–that when we do that, we do it to Him. So when we sell that jar of oil and give the money to the poor, we are, in fact, pouring it out on Him to please and honor Him, just as He asked us to. We are doing His Divine Will, which is more important than all the costly oils and goods of the world.

This, I believe, is in essence the example Pope Francis has been trying to set --we honor and serve Christ by honoring and serving others. The only thing I would wish him to do is follow the voice of the Holy Spirit and the Will of God. If that is done, the rest will take care of itself, as God sees fit, and in His timing. We cannot even begin to comprehend the infinite mind and wisdom of the Almighty, and the plans He has for His Church.
So, you never forsee a time for pomp and grandeur in the Church? Did we do less for the poor when the Pope wore a crown and was carried on a throne? No. There are limits to the level of good that we can and do do for the poor. But the fineness of Papal regalia is not one of them.
 
I wouldn’t presume to tell the Pope what to do!! I think he will be guided by the Holy Spirit, as he has been throughout his life. That’s why he was chosen Pope. With the name of Pope Francis, I feel he will do very well as the pastor of our Church - he will have humility and stregnth. Long live Pope Francis!
 
As the first pope from the Southern Hemisphere, I would like to see the Pope try to make the Church more whole. We are one body in one Lord, and I feel like so many of us have forgotten that!

For many of us, our experience of the Church is restricted to our home parishes, where we attend Mass alongside people who live near us, think like us, and are economically and demographically similar to us. “Church shopping” has meant that liberals go to liberal parishes, conservatives to conservative parishes, and many are choosing to go to no parish. Suburban parishes don’t talk to urban parishes. People attending Spanish and English services in the same parish rarely talk with one another.

I would like the Pope to remind us that all Christians are brothers and sisters, initiated into the New Covenant through our baptism, and that divisions in the Church are anathema.

I would like the New Evangelism to mean something real, transformative, not just a way to fill the pews, but to change the very world around us (Romans 8). I would like our liturgies to be the center of an expanding sacrament of love, for the neighborhoods around us.
 
So, you never forsee a time for pomp and grandeur in the Church? Did we do less for the poor when the Pope wore a crown and was carried on a throne? No.
Indeed.

If we put Jesus Christ our God first then we will care for the poor. If we lavish our abundance upon the King then we will serve the least of our brethren as well.

But if we become caught up in the world and the works of the world, even those directed at the service of the poor, we can lose God and therefore lose everything.

How many Marxists have gone into the lake of fire after they died ‘nobly’ for “the people”? They may have loved the working class but they hated Christ. Therefore no deed of theirs has merit.

Nowadays the grandest buildings in our cities are dedicated to the creation of wealth, and of civil government. This shows the inverted priorities. I would not even want the grandest building to be a hospital or an orphanage. The grandest building should be a cathedral. That shows that God is first. If God is first, no one has to worry.

If we put God first in everything, the poor will not need to worry. Nor orphans, nor the sick, nor anyone. God first.
 
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