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NoPlaceLikeRome
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I’m always reading offhand comments about “now if we could have more Masses like the EWTN Mass” and the like. What is an EWTN Mass like? What kind of music do they have?
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LilyM
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You can watch for yerself over the net - www.ewtn.com :yup: They repeat it four times a day, so it shouldn’t be difficult to catch a showing of it.
The music is usually in English but very traditional hymns rather than post-Vatican-2.
A lot of the common parts of the Mass (Kyrie, Sanctus, Pater Noster etc) are in Latin (Greek for the Kyrie of course). It’s versus populum rather than ad orientem, but only because they’d been refused permission from the local bishop to broadcast ad orientem Masses. But free of abuses - no EMsHC or ad libbing with the wording or anything. Very good homilies, usually 15-odd minutes long rather than the half a minute you usually get at daily Masses.
The music is usually in English but very traditional hymns rather than post-Vatican-2.
A lot of the common parts of the Mass (Kyrie, Sanctus, Pater Noster etc) are in Latin (Greek for the Kyrie of course). It’s versus populum rather than ad orientem, but only because they’d been refused permission from the local bishop to broadcast ad orientem Masses. But free of abuses - no EMsHC or ad libbing with the wording or anything. Very good homilies, usually 15-odd minutes long rather than the half a minute you usually get at daily Masses.
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wynd
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Are bishops allowed to do that?
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LilyM
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It is my understanding that any broadcasting from inside a church requires permission
not sure whether it always has to be from the Bishop but assuming that it is the case, he would be allowed to set these sorts of conditions on it. Our Cathedral requires the purchase of permits in order to photograph, for example.
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netmilsmom
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EWTN Holy Mass is heaven on Earth.
We hope to attend this summer LIVE!
We hope to attend this summer LIVE!
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introibo
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I’ve been down there for Mass broadcasts several times, as I have family in the Huntsville/Decatur area… It’s fun to be on TV. 
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abirdrrl
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The EWTN Mass is very bland, regardless of the occasion. The architecture of the chapel is horrid as well.
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Rand_Al_Thor
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Pax tecum!
How so? I have never found it to be “bland”. What is bland about it? And how is the design bad?
In Christ,
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Tonks40
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Quite the contrary! The Mass on EWTN is full of reverence and full of beauty.
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netmilsmom
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See, this is what happens when the normal Holy Mass at the average parish is turned into a Broadway Show!!!
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frommi
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There’s a fineline between reverence and liturgical snobbery.
I can understand where some people watch that mass and interpret it as something that is not very life giving. No one there seems to be joyful or even remotely happy to be at mass.
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CRW
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Could it be that they have turned off the world and trun on to Christ…
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OutinChgoburbs
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Then you better put a sign on your veil so we’ll all know it’s you.
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OutinChgoburbs
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Au contraire!!!
The architecture is noble, and looks to me as if it was done by craftsmen. I esp. love the adoring angels on either side of the monstance.
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netmilsmom
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I’ll be the “matronly” one with the darling blond girls and the very tall, very handsome hubby!Then you better put a sign on your veil so we’ll all know it’s you.
I’m I blessed or what.
Now just in case you miss it, I’ll make sure we fire up the laptop from the campsite and post to look for us!
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netmilsmom
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Frommi likes the Dance Hall look, I suspect.
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LSK
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I don’t necessarily think the decor of the EWTN Chapel is the absolute perfection many people do but I attend Mass at a very orthodox, very holy parish here in Modesto and we don’t particularly like OUR Church decor either , which is why we have the old building fund thing going on.
I will tell you my opinion. The EWTN Mass is a wonderful Mass and I am so glad that it is broadcast on radio and tv. However, I do not go to Mass for the architecture, the homily or the language used to say the Mass (Latin, English, Greek, Lithuanian). I go for the Eucharist and to give glory to God with my brothers and sisters in Christ. So I have a difficult time getting behind either end of these kind of discussions and I do think there is danger of being uncharitable in our remarks when we compare the Mass…
but what do I know? I’m a Niners fan…:crying:
, which is why we have the old building fund thing going on.I will tell you my opinion. The EWTN Mass is a wonderful Mass and I am so glad that it is broadcast on radio and tv. However, I do not go to Mass for the architecture, the homily or the language used to say the Mass (Latin, English, Greek, Lithuanian). I go for the Eucharist and to give glory to God with my brothers and sisters in Christ. So I have a difficult time getting behind either end of these kind of discussions and I do think there is danger of being uncharitable in our remarks when we compare the Mass…
but what do I know? I’m a Niners fan…:crying:
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dkoinzan
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I can only listen to the EWTN Mass on the radio. I have not idea what the chapel looks like. I know that the Music is beautiful. Often times I listen to the homilies after going to my local daily. I have never had a day when I didn’t come away from an EWTN Mass inspired.
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Lux_et_veritas
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Perhaps it is easier to explain what an EWTN Mass is not like. It is not like a “gathering”. This is key. The EWTN Mass is not about keeping people entertained so that they don’t get bored. There are no distractions which hinder an encounter with God during worship. There is no lack of reverence, no lack of solemnity, and no lack of silence.
If you were raised after Vatican 2 like many of us here, the Mass as you know it is very community-oriented. It is the way I have experienced Masses throughout my childhood and early adult years. However, after experiencing this kind of Mass (highly solemn like EWTN’s Mass, with Latin) in a local parish, I very quickly learned that how the Mass is celebrated is a big deal.
After Vatican II, it’s as if someone thought that the Mass was boring and needed to dress it up. However, the Mass is one thing that requires no dressing. Yet, I’ve been in parishes where the Mass was like a stage production. It’s as if people (including priests) feel that the people must be kept “busy” the entire time. There is no time for pure silence.
The unfortunate souls are missing the whole point that in the Mass we discover God through our stillness before Him. In our encounter with God in the Mass - interiorly - we then begin to understand the greater mystical community. Holding hands, eye contact, and other forms of physical contact are no guarantee of an authentic sense of community. And, we cannot hold the “hand” of our angels, nor the saints. They too belong to this mystical community and are ever present in force during the Sacrifice of the Mass.
Therefore, you see a de-emphasis on anything which puts focus on one another (in music and in mannerisms) in any “EWTN style” Mass.
Music is another thing which can be compared and contrasted. There is no folk music in an EWTN style Mass. Rather, you get Gregorian Chant - something that a good many attempted, with near success, to get stuffed into the Smithsonian. Gregorian Chant is making a significant comeback.
The Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word have taken the Mass back to basics. Furthermore, they have put God right at the center of worship (vertical), rather than the having the people share that center (more horizontal). They have also given God a place of prominence visible through the decorum, rather than just bringing Him down to our level through casual decorum.
Note that they do not look into the congregation accept during the homily. And, the homily may very well surprise you with the frankness with which the priest speaks - about doctrine and about the faith.
Please do watch the Mass on the Internet if you cannot get it at home. Let us know what you think.
In the meanwhile, visit in 1998. ad limina
Bookmark this document and read it several times, slowly digesting it. In particular, study all of point 4.
If you were raised after Vatican 2 like many of us here, the Mass as you know it is very community-oriented. It is the way I have experienced Masses throughout my childhood and early adult years. However, after experiencing this kind of Mass (highly solemn like EWTN’s Mass, with Latin) in a local parish, I very quickly learned that how the Mass is celebrated is a big deal.
After Vatican II, it’s as if someone thought that the Mass was boring and needed to dress it up. However, the Mass is one thing that requires no dressing. Yet, I’ve been in parishes where the Mass was like a stage production. It’s as if people (including priests) feel that the people must be kept “busy” the entire time. There is no time for pure silence.
The unfortunate souls are missing the whole point that in the Mass we discover God through our stillness before Him. In our encounter with God in the Mass - interiorly - we then begin to understand the greater mystical community. Holding hands, eye contact, and other forms of physical contact are no guarantee of an authentic sense of community. And, we cannot hold the “hand” of our angels, nor the saints. They too belong to this mystical community and are ever present in force during the Sacrifice of the Mass.
Therefore, you see a de-emphasis on anything which puts focus on one another (in music and in mannerisms) in any “EWTN style” Mass.
Music is another thing which can be compared and contrasted. There is no folk music in an EWTN style Mass. Rather, you get Gregorian Chant - something that a good many attempted, with near success, to get stuffed into the Smithsonian. Gregorian Chant is making a significant comeback.
The Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word have taken the Mass back to basics. Furthermore, they have put God right at the center of worship (vertical), rather than the having the people share that center (more horizontal). They have also given God a place of prominence visible through the decorum, rather than just bringing Him down to our level through casual decorum.
Note that they do not look into the congregation accept during the homily. And, the homily may very well surprise you with the frankness with which the priest speaks - about doctrine and about the faith.
Please do watch the Mass on the Internet if you cannot get it at home. Let us know what you think.
In the meanwhile, visit in 1998. ad limina
Bookmark this document and read it several times, slowly digesting it. In particular, study all of point 4.
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