What's an Illinois voter to do?

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It’s downright depressing.

*"Depending on where you fit on the political spectrum, the proverbial glass is either nearly full or just about empty when it comes to the issues of abortion and gay rights in this fall’s governor’s race.

For liberals, Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich and Republican challenger Judy Baar Topinka share the same general philosophies on the two hot-button topics.

For conservatives, the pickings are kind of slim. Both Blagojevich and Topinka support abortion rights and oppose a state constitutional ban on gay marriage.

“Some (conservative) voters may come to the conclusion that Topinka is a little better because she supports parental notification (of teenage abortions),” said Paul Caprio, director of Family PAC, a Chicago-based family values group. “Other voters who have a more demanding standard, they may say, ‘No, I’m not voting in that race.’æ”*

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We Catholics have been encouraged to vote and be a part of the process. What has been suggested is that we vote for the least objectionable candidate. The reason is simple enough–if we don’t vote we are tacitly giving a vote to the worse candidate. And if we vote for the least objectionable, we at least may get some of what we want in a political leader. Of course, we can also get involved in one of the parties to work towards getting candidates that do more fully represent our values as Catholics.
 
If one candidate supports parental notification laws and the alternative candidate is more rigorously pro-abortion then the common sense solution is to vote for the politician who at least has some scruples. While it is impossible to defend all the unborn, there will be parents who most certainly will be prepared to make the sacrifices necessary to see that their grandchildren live if only they are given the opportunity to act as parents. Unfortunately, there will also be parents who will drag their daughters kicking and screaming to the abortuary. It is not an ideal situation but voters cannot shirk their moral duty to vote. The challenger, Judy Topinka, seems to be the lesser of two evils.

God doesn’t ask us to succeed. He expects us to do the best we can however difficult the circumstances.:yup: We do the little we can and trust in Divine intervention for the final victory.
 
I feel your pain. there is a third party write-in candidate, Stufflebeam who is pro-life. I am hoping that Stufflebeam will get enough votes to let the Republicans or Democrats see how many votes they lost because of their pro-abortion stand.

I know this will probably hand the election to Blago, but at some point pro-lifers need to stand up and let the Republicans know that we will not vote for pro-aborts. Topinka is not really much better than Blago so it really is no big loss if she loses.
 
Monica02 said:
I feel your pain. there is a third party write-in candidate, Stufflebeam who is pro-life.
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I hadn’t heard about Stufflebeam. Thanks for letting me know. I’ll have to look up some information about him. If he looks good, I’ll try to get my parish’s Respect For Life committee members to spread the word.
 
Rosalinda said:
If one candidate supports parental notification laws and the alternative candidate is more rigorously pro-abortion then the common sense solution is to vote for the politician who at least has some scruples. While it is impossible to defend all the unborn, there will be parents who most certainly will be prepared to make the sacrifices necessary to see that their grandchildren live if only they are given the opportunity to act as parents. Unfortunately, there will also be parents who will drag their daughters kicking and screaming to the abortuary. It is not an ideal situation but voters cannot shirk their moral duty to vote. The challenger, Judy Topinka, seems to be the lesser of two evils.

God doesn’t ask us to succeed. He expects us to do the best we can however difficult the circumstances.:yup: We do the little we can and trust in Divine intervention for the final victory.
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I agree 👍

On the other hand now is the time to start asking everyone that is running or could possibly run for a public office where they stand on the issues. I even ask someone that is running for animal control where they stand on important issues. After all they could run for another office and the fact that they have one a smaller position gives them name recognition and thus an edge over someone else.

Also to throw away a vote for “general” principals and not for “faith” principals gives evil the edge. IMHO this is how we have come to this point in our country.
 
Rosalinda said:
If one candidate supports parental notification laws and the alternative candidate is more rigorously pro-abortion then the common sense solution is to vote for the politician who at least has some scruples. While it is impossible to defend all the unborn, there will be parents who most certainly will be prepared to make the sacrifices necessary to see that their grandchildren live if only they are given the opportunity to act as parents. Unfortunately, there will also be parents who will drag their daughters kicking and screaming to the abortuary. It is not an ideal situation but voters cannot shirk their moral duty to vote. The challenger, Judy Topinka, seems to be the lesser of two evils.

God doesn’t ask us to succeed. He expects us to do the best we can however difficult the circumstances.:yup: We do the little we can and trust in Divine intervention for the final victory.
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The lesser of two evils is still evil. Christ tells us to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect.

All voting for the lesser of two evils does is allow evil to spread slower than it would with the greater of two evils.

Pro-lifers have been supporting Republican candidates for 30 years and what has it gotten us? We have become the culture of death that Pope John Paul II warned us about. We are so far from any type of human life amendment to the US Constitution that it seems a pipe dream to even think about one.

I’m tired of supporting the lesser of two evils. Judy Baar Topinka will be just as bad as Rod Blagojevich.

I don’t want to face God and tell him I voted for Topinka because she didn’t want to kill as many babies as Blagojevich.

And don’t worry about the third party candidate giving the election to Blagojevich. Governor Rod pretty much has this election won anyway.

Let’s send a message to the Republican Party and tell them that if they are going to be identical to the Democrats we won’t support them. It doesn’t matter how less evil the Republicans are, let’s tell them we won’t support evil.
 
Swiss_Guard said:
Let’s send a message to the Republican Party and tell them that if they are going to be identical to the Democrats we won’t support them. It doesn’t matter how less evil the Republicans are, let’s tell them we won’t support evil.
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I’m sitting this one out - I refuse to vote for Judy and I agree with you - hopefully the Republicans in Illionis will get the message.
 
carol marie:
hopefully the Republicans in Illinois will get the message.
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Doubtful. Remember, this is the party which ran off a perfectly fine candidate Jack Ryan and replaced him with the sooooooooooo eminently electable carpetbagger Alan Keyes. What a great idea! Nah. Figure the Illinois GOP as dead for at least the next few years.

BTW, I was thinking of writing myself in for governor. What a pair of buffoons!

John
 
carol_marie said:
I’m sitting this one out - I refuse to vote for Judy and I agree with you - hopefully the Republicans in Illionis will get the message.
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I hope you don’t do this. If you don’t vote at all, no one will hear you. They won’t know whether you did it out of apathy or principles. Check out this write-in candidate that a poster wrote about
runrandyrun.com/

I don’t agree with him 100%, but at least if I choose to write his name in, then I AM sending a message. Even if he has no chance to win. Rod and Judy will know it’s one vote they DIDN’T get and they will pretty much know why, by looking at Randy’s platform.
 
Lrning said:
I hope you don’t do this. If you don’t vote at all, no one will hear you. They won’t know whether you did it out of apathy or principles. Check out this write-in candidate that a poster wrote about
runrandyrun.com/

I don’t agree with him 100%, but at least if I choose to write his name in, then I AM sending a message. Even if he has no chance to win. Rod and Judy will know it’s one vote they DIDN’T get and they will pretty much know why, by looking at Randy’s platform.
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You are right - I hadn’t thought of that. That’s what I will do.
 
I will not vote for either Blago or Topinka. Blago is 100% Pro-Abortion and I consider Topinka 95-100% Pro-Abortion. Neither candidate deserves my vote.

I have not heard about Stufflebeam. I will have to look into this candidate.

I would definitely vote. If you do not like any of the candidates, then write in the name of a prominent Pro-Lifer in your state. For IL it could be one of the Schiedler’s from Pro-Life Action League or Jill Stanek.

I am currently actively trying to get Peter Roskam elected as a member of Congress. Roskam is 100% Pro-Life. He is running against Tammy Duckworth who is 100% Pro-Abortion. One of the candidates will be replacing Henry Hyde is did much for the Pro-Life movement while in Congress.
 
What do you think about Randy Stufflebeam’s position on “Personhood”. It seems he is misguided here and does not want to believe “Personhood” begins at conception. What are your thoughts? Here is Stufflebeam’s statement on “Personhood”…

I’ve heard it said, “I believe that life begins at conception.” For years that was my stance as well. But over the past 6 months of discussion with people through out the state of Illinois I have learned a lot and have been able to clarify the issue.

Actually, when you think about it, life is neither created or begins at conception. There was only one time in the history of this world when life was created and that was when God created Adam and Eve. Ever since then, life has been a continuum. It was pointed out to me that even the sperm and the egg are “alive,” and you have to agree that that is true. When the sperm and egg merge (conception) and new person comes into being. You can say that a new person is created in that conception, but life itself has not been created.

This point is incontrovertible. No matter what you call “IT” (fetus, tissue, blob of flesh, embryo, or unborn child), “IT” is alive. The whole abortion debate is NOT about whether that “tissue” inside the mother’s womb is alive, but whether that living tissue is a person.

The only matter that is up for debate is at what point in this “New life” becomes “a person.” For the pro-abortionist, personhood begins once that life has been able to escape the womb. As if something magical happens in that moment and the life that has been developing inside the mother’s womb is now something more than it was inside. Both medical and scientific data shows that the only thing that is different once the baby is outside the mother’s womb is that it now breathes air and consumes food through the mouth. Apparently, for some, this is the defining element of personhood. It certainly seems to hold true in the Terri Schindler-Schiavo case. Since she was not able to feed herself, she must no longer have been a person.

To boil down the “Sanctity of Life” discussion, the whole controversy is about when personhood is conferred and when it is removed.
 
PLAL said:
What do you think about Randy Stufflebeam’s position on “Personhood”. It seems he is misguided here and does not want to believe “Personhood” begins at conception. What are your thoughts? Here is Stufflebeam’s statement on “Personhood”…
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I don’t get that out of what he wrote at all. It sounds to me like he’s refuting the entire question of when “life” begins and saying that the real question for pro-abortion people is when does “personhood” begin. I think his last large paragraph is a sarcastic comment about what pro-abortion people believe, but that he is pro-life from the moment of conception.
 
I will either not vote for the office of Governor, or I will vote for Stufflebeam.

Gotta’ love this state.
 
I am going to vote for Randy Stufflebeam.

Does anyone know if Randy Stufflebeam’s name will be on the ballot or will we have to write in his name as a write in vote?
 
You’ll have to write it in. Randy didn’t gain enough sigs.

Not that I could ever be accused of being an ILGOP apologist (I represent the other side); but Ryan didn’t decide to step down because the ILGOP powers that be told him to. He decided to remove himself from the mess when his own polling showed that his base was appalled by the sex club stories.

Had he been a Dem., he may have been OK. The Dems in IL tend to be more urban and to take a somewhat laisez faire attitude toward the sexual habits of others; but the ILGOP is an uneasy coalition between values voters and pro-business sorts (though as wh–, er um, people of easy virtue these business types are tending to break toward the Dems as they see which way the wind is currently blowing).

Now, what mysterious psychosis seized upon the Central Committee causing them to name Keyes, I’ve no idea. Don’t see why they couldn’t have named Brady or some such to the ballot. Even if he lost against the Obama steam-roller, he would’ve gained some name recognition for this year’s Senate race.

Can’t blame Topinka for that. From what I heard, she acted as an honest broker at the meeting that chose Keyes.
 
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