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Robert_Sock
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They are what keep us here in the lower world of existence. They are also prone to sickness and diseases. If you think they are wondrously made, wait till you experience your soul in a glorified body.
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vsedriver
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That sounds pretty darn special to me. But all things created by God are special even our ‘lowly’ bodies.What so special about these lowly bodies? (Other than they serve the means of gaining a glorified body.)
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vsedriver
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just because a glorified body is the ultimate doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate what God has wrought with a lowly body.They are what keep us here in the lower world of existence. If you think they are wondrously made, wait till you experience your soul in a glorified body.
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davidv
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This selection from 1 Cor 12 may pretain:They are what keep us here in the lower world of existence. They are also prone to sickness and diseases. If you think they are wondrously made, wait till you experience your soul in a glorified body.
The “lowly” is to be granted greater honor.[22]On the contrary, the parts of the body which seem to be weaker are indispensable,
[23] and those parts of the body which we think less honorable we invest with the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty,
[24] which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving the greater honor to the inferior part,
[25] that there may be no discord in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
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Robert_Sock
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Yes, I suppose that’s special, but not special enough to keep our attention here in the lower world. In other words, we should not get caught up to the point that we worship these lowly bodies, but use them to get to our Heavenly home.That sounds pretty darn special to me. But all things created by God are special even our ‘lowly’ bodies.
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shoe
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“What’s so special about being human?”
I think that God’s placing His image into each person’s soul makes that soul very special. It’s God’s image in each person’s soul that makes it possible for every individual to be able to think, to reason, and to act; and it’s by acting with understanding and wisdom that individuals are given the ability to know, worship, and love God. And God shows His love for the individual by first creating the world, then creating and placing people into the world, and finally by dying to save and to bring each person to Himself. Perhaps another way of looking at this would be to ask, “what isn’t so special about being human?”
I think that God’s placing His image into each person’s soul makes that soul very special. It’s God’s image in each person’s soul that makes it possible for every individual to be able to think, to reason, and to act; and it’s by acting with understanding and wisdom that individuals are given the ability to know, worship, and love God. And God shows His love for the individual by first creating the world, then creating and placing people into the world, and finally by dying to save and to bring each person to Himself. Perhaps another way of looking at this would be to ask, “what isn’t so special about being human?”
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davidv
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So, do you concur then that in your OP your thinking that we are “meatbots” is in error?Yes, I suppose that’s special, but not special enough to keep our attention here in the lower world. In other words, we should not get caught up to the point that we worship these lowly bodies, but use them to get to our Heavenly home.
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Robert_Sock
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No, I still consider ourselves to be “meatbots,” but beloved “meatbots.” I still contend that the difference between our earthly bodies and glorified bodies will render us “meatbots” here in this world.So, do you concur then that in your OP your thinking that we are “meatbots” is in error?
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GEddie
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Actually, yes it is. Sin begins there long before it registers in the head or is acted out through the voice, limbs,or sexual system.Are you implying that it is our soul that is sinful?
Examine the human body, alive or dead, and you will not find any sins, whatever instruments you use. Everything in a human body is there to perform life-supporting or life-propagating functions. If alive, the body is performing its duty of holding and expressing life; if dead, it has failed; but the human body is morally innocent.
(We really should sympathize with our poor bodies; facing the death penalty for only fulfilling the orders of the soul they serve.)
If sin did not arise from the soul but from his/her body, there could be no just punishment in Hell or Purgatory once physical life was lost.
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Robert_Sock
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That makes sense, but the body enslaves the soul.Actually, yes it is. Sin begins there long before it registers in the head or is acted out through the voice, limbs,or sexual system.
Examine the human body, alive or dead, and you will not find any sins, whatever instruments you use. Everything in a human body is there to perform life-supporting or life-propagating functions. If alive, the body is performing its duty of holding and expressing life; if dead, it has failed; but the human body is morally innocent.
(We really should sympathize with our poor bodies; facing the death penalty for only fulfilling the orders of the soul they serve.)
If sin did not arise from the soul but from his/her body, there could be no just punishment in Hell or Purgatory once physical life was lost.
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davidv
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No it does not. Jesus’ death freed us from the the slavery of sin. Any slavery is self-imposed by the will, which is an aspect of the soul, not the body.That makes sense, but the body enslaves the soul.
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Robert_Sock
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The way I look at it, our souls can only escape these wretched bodies upon death. Therefore, the soul is enslaved in these bodies.No it does not. Jesus’ death freed us from the the slavery of sin. Any slavery is self-imposed by the will, which is an aspect of the soul, not the body.
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davidv
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How does the body enslave the soul?The way I look at it, our souls can only escape these wretched bodies upon death. Therefore, the soul is enslaved in these bodies.
[edit] With the adjectives that you use to describe the body, it appears that you believe the ancient (1st and 2nd centuries) heresy known as Gnostism. Do you?
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Robert_Sock
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Well, it’s only through bodily death that the soul can get to Heaven.How does the body enslave the soul?
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davidv
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How does this imply slavery?Well, it’s only through bodily death that the soul can get to Heaven.
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GEddie
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Escape your body? What do you have against your head, your limbs, your senses???The way I look at it, our souls can only escape these wretched bodies upon death. Therefore, the soul is enslaved in these bodies.
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Robert_Sock
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Well, yes, escape the body. Again, in this life the soul/body is a “meatbot.” Meditate a bit and you should come to the conclusion that these bodies/souls are lowly in comparison to the glorified bodies that will house the soul in the Hereafter.Escape your body? What do you have against your head, your limbs, your senses???
If going through a latrine is the only way to salvation, it’s through the latrine we go. The life of the soul/body is indeed like going through a latrine in this miserable and corrupt world.
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Catholic90
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Robert, you seem to be quite the pessimist! Is there ANYTHING you enjoy in this life?
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Robert_Sock
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Spiritual consolation is about all I enjoy these days. Otherwise, all I want is to exit this life and go to Heaven.Robert, you seem to be quite the pessimist! Is there ANYTHING you enjoy in this life?
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Catholic90
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Might you be clinically depressed? We cannot give medical advice on these forums, so I suggest you seek medical treatment or an evaluation at the very least.Spiritual consolation is about all I enjoy these days. Otherwise, all I want is to exit this life and go to Heaven.
I love life! I always see the good. ** I, of all people, have many reasons to be down and depressed, but that is not me. **
I was married just shy of 20 years. For about the last 5 years of my marriage, my husband was a severe alcoholic. When he drank, he was emotionally abusive. Due to his drinking, he drove us $50,000 into debt. He had a DWI (at 0.26 BAC!), several speeding tickets, and several minor car accidents and one major accident, all while drunk, causing his insurance rates to skyrocket. Due to his lawyer, he only had a suspended license for 6 months with all that. Eventually, his alcoholism killed him (thankfully not taking any other innocent person with him). I am now a single mother to 3 boys. I have to support myself and them (with 2 in college!) and maintain my house on a Catholic school teacher’s income. Yes, life insurance helps, but with the market so volatile, I cannot count on fantastic returns on investments at this point. Both of my sons’ grandfathers have been diagnosed with prostate cancer. One grandma has congestive heart failure. The other grandma is a cancer survivor.
How is my life? It is GREAT!! Why? Because I am alive, I am surrounded by a fantastic community, my sons are making me so incredibly proud, and my dog loves me! Seriously, things could be so much worse. But they aren’t. I enjoy each day, because each day is a gift. When I let my dog outside today, a butterfly was sitting on my flower basket outside my front door! How beautiful! I noticed. I appreciated. I thanked God for it.
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