What's the big deal about the KJV Bible?

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

The KJV. Good enough for Jesus, good enough for me.

</southern baptist>

While a ‘southern baptist’ (which I am not) may have said it, it is usually taken out of its properly defined context.

Said person, like myself, would never actually mean that Jesus had the KJB1611 in his hands. What is meant by the statement if properly understood, is that Jesus used the base Hebrew/Syriac text that is presently the foundation of the KJB, which is God’s preserved (Psalms 12:6-7) words in English.

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

I guess it’s just what you like. Here is KJV. (cited Proverbs 31)

Absolutely beautiful. Here is something for you:

The Woman’s “Woman”:

There are many women in the Bible in which to learn from, in order to understand what Character it is that pleases God, so that they (we) will be ready to meet Him.

There are the notables, like Eve, the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20), that is to say, the ‘living’ would be those of faith who would accept the promise of God, in the Everlasting Gospel (Genesis 3:15, ‘seed’), even as she repented of her sin and believed (Genesis 4:1, ‘a man from the LORD’). She lost two of her own dear children, and thus came to know somewhat of the heart suffering of God Himself (for all those who will be lost because of sin), the one (Abel) to murder by his brother, the other (Cain), the brother, to selfishness and so having murdered Abel, fled, yet she was still willing to believe God in His promise, of the Redeemer to come through her, and so Seth was born to her.

There is also the beautiful wife of Abraham, Sarah, who repented of her sin of disbelief, and believed, of whom the scripture (Hebrews 11:11) says, “Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.” It was also said of her, that she in true love, reverenced her house-band, calling him “lord” (Ephesians 5:33; 1 Peter 3:5-6), and so much so, that in her early mistaken unbelief of God’s promise, loved and esteemed Abraham far and above herself (Philippians 2:3), that she was willing to give him her handmaiden, Hagar, that Abraham could have a child, which she, seemingly, could not bear him. What was the true beauty of the woman, more precious than gold, even the gold of Ophir (Job 28:16)?

There is also the precious Hannah, the wife of Elkanah, the mother of Samuel, whom steadfast in faith, persevering in prayer (1 Samuel 1:18,20,27) and faithful in her vows and promises to God (who had always and ever been loving and faithful to her), gave her firstfruits, her only and best, of her womb, to God’s service (1 Samuel 1:22-28). If after we have received our petition from God, will we keep our vows to Him, and changeth not (Psalms 15:4; Matthew 5:17; James 5:12)?

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

I guess it’s just what you like. Here is KJV. (cited Proverbs 31)

The Woman’s Woman (continued)

While there are many other precious notables, there are also many others who are not even mentioned by name, and yet are worth the time in thought and consideration, like the wife of Noah, who stood by him, for hundreds of years, believing that God had spoken to him of the destruction of the world, and acting upon her faith, hope and love of God, going through it all (with mockings) him, losing what seemed like all things, and yet coming out the other side of great tribulation, inheriting all things with him. In believing, and working by that belief, as a living example, were not her children brought through with her?

Others for consideration would be Manoah’s wife (Judges 13), or Peter’s wife (Matthew 8:14), or even those which are single or virgins, like the little maid that served Naaman’s wife (2 Kings 5:2).

We could even consider that woman above, even the “mother of us all”, New Jerusalem (Galatians 4:26), therefore consider that commandment to “Honour thy father and thy mother” again in a new light.

Consider, a person whom the mother of King Lemuel called, “Wisdom”. Probers 31.

It is written that this “woman”, “Wisdom”, cries outside to be heard in the streets, that her children may be eternally safe, showing forth that ‘her’ instruction is life eternal, and ‘her’ name ‘Wisdom’ being true to the character (for as the name is, so the character; 1 Samuel 25:25), as it is written, (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35) “Wisdom is justified of her children.”:

Proverbs 1:20 - Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets :

Proverbs 1:21 - She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying ,

Proverbs 1:22 - How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

Proverbs 1:23 - Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you .

Proverbs 1:24 - Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

Proverbs 1:25 - But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

Proverbs 1:26 - I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

Proverbs 1:27 - When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

Proverbs 1:28 - Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

Proverbs 1:29 - For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:

Proverbs 1:30 - They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

Proverbs 1:31 - Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

Proverbs 1:32 - For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Proverbs 1:33 - But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil .

 

[MiserereMei25]

Wow. You fail at Church history…

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

I guess it’s just what you like. Here is KJV. (cited proverbs 31)

The Woman’s Woman (continued)

Wisdom, speaks through Lemuel’s mother, and says:

Proverbs 31:10 - Who can find a virtuous woman ? for her price is far above rubies.

Proverbs 31:11 - The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her , so that he shall have no need of spoil.

Proverbs 31:12 - She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

Proverbs 31:13 - She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands .

Yes, even the natural things (wool and linen), not the unnatural things (perverse mixtures) … and she is her house-band’s cheerful, loving, and edifying help-meet (Genesis 2:18,20), yea, his precious “second self”.

Proverbs 31:14 - She is like the merchants’ ships; she bringeth her food from afar.

Yea, her food, is to do the will of Him that sent her, and to finish His work (John 4:34).

Proverbs 31:15 - She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.

Yes, even ‘meat’ in due season … (Matthew 24:45; Luke 12:42), and early morning prayer with her family, taking time in prayer, supplication and devotion with God.

Proverbs 31:16 - She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.

Yea, she is joyful in working in the garden, and gathering the food of the earth as God intended, the very place which her own fore-parents and fore-mother Eve delighted in.

Proverbs 31:17 - She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

She takes up the strength, which God giveth as a gift, even Christ Jesus, who is truly “Wisdom” (Proverbs 8:12-31, etc) and “Power” (1 Corinthians 1:24) and “Strength” (Romans 5:6; Revelation 12:10).

Proverbs 31:18 - She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

Yea, that which she truly has, is worth more than gold, for the Everlasting Gospel is with her, but more than this, she works with her hands, not being idle, or busybody, but instead providing sacrificially for her family, showing her faith in God in action.

Proverbs 31:19 - She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.

She takes hold of that which is upright, and righteous in the word of God, leaning not on her own understanding, and sees all the threads of truth come together in the word of God, and places the scarlet thread of the sacrifice of Christ in all she does.

Proverbs 31:20 - She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

Yea, she is a living example of the Christian life, even as found in Job 29 and Isaiah 58, demonstrating the Everlasting Gospel (Revelation 14:6) in verity, for she does not merely talk the heavenly doctrine, her life is given in showing forth that example of it for all the world to know.

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

I guess it’s just what you like. Here is KJV. (cited proverbs 31)

Proverbs 31:21 - She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.

Yea, she does not rest, until all her family is clothed with the crimson (scarlet) blood of the Lamb (1 Peter 1:19; Revelation 12:11).

Proverbs 31:22 - She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.

Yea, her clothing and her daughters (and even sons), are truly “coverings”, covering their physical nakedness, and she teacheth (by word and example) many girls and women (who ignorantly) walk about in their (unknowing) shame, being no more tender and delicate, lifted up in high-exalted heels (like Judas, Psalms 41:9; John 13:18), upon their foot of pride (Isaiah 2:12; Psalms 36:11), wearing only fig-leaves of “aprons” (Genesis 3:7) leaving exposed their backs parts and chest), who leave exposed also their legs and thighs (Isaiah 47:1-3), not following the true “Pattern”, who wears garments “down to the foot” (Revelation 1:13), for she knows no one is more modest than Jesus her Lord, and whose Temple gave also the true pattern (Psalms 77:13), in its outward adornment, likewise plain, simple and down to the foot of the base, covering all.

She understands the support that her feet need in order to serve (Psalms 119:59,101; Song of Solomon 7:1; Isaiah 3:16, 6:2; Acts 3:7, 13:25; Ephesians 6:15; Hebrews 12:13) and walk in the way of life everlasting. Her covering is truly thick, woven and rich, not only in the natural, but so also in the spiritual, being covered not in self-righteousness, but in Christ’s righteousness (His right doing), spun from the loom of heaven, without a stitch of human devising, and no matter what others may say openly or secretly of her, for her foundation is grounded and rooted in His pleasure of her.

Yea, her (spiritual) clothing is purple (the color of (red) blood sacrfice and (blue; Numbers 15:38) obedience blended), even fit for the highest places of royalty, for she knows that she is the daughter of the Heavenly King and Father of lights.

Yea, she understand dress-reform, and its purpose in health, ministry, service, practicality, simplicity and the Everlasting Gospel, in victory over sin, not only for herself, her family, but so that others, men and women, may not stumble because of her and lose their way, for her heart is toward all of these, even before herself.

Proverbs 31:23 - Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.

Yea, those that know her, know “her husband”, even Christ Jesus, and they can see it from afar, in her life, family, children, manner, speech, house, clothing, diet, choices, prayers, sacrifices,

Proverbs 31:24 - She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.

The “fine linen” woven in the loom of Heaven, Christ’s righteousness, even the righteousness of the saints. To all without price, trading in the filthy rags for the glories of God’s character. The heart dress reform.

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

I guess it’s just what you like. Here is KJV. (cited proverbs 31)

Proverbs 31:25 - Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.

Yea, this strength and honour come from Christ Jesus, even as He is found in the Sanctuary (Psalms 96:6) and being found faithful in these talents, she will be found to be praising God in all eternity in the New Heaven and New Earth,

Proverbs 31:26 - She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

Yea, kindness and not bitterness, not vengeful, not storing up wrongs, even very forgiving as God forgave her in Christ Jesus. She knoweth that her voice is a stringed instrument, even the wind instrument to sing forth the gospel call to all, and the LORD is her song and praise all the day long.

Proverbs 31:27 - She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

Yea, she is “in deed” faithful, being “espoused” to one husband (2 Corinthians 11:2), untiring in demonstrating the charity/love of God (1 Corinthians 13).

Proverbs 31:28 - Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

Her, children are resurrected from being dead in tresspasses and in sins, and have awaked to righteousness, thrown off the night’s clothes of darkness, wearing the clothes of the light of the day spring on High. She is blessed, having turned away from sin (Acts 3:26). Christ has called her to be blessed (Matthew 5:3-16). Thus her children walk in the light, even as she herself reflects the light of the glory of God in her own life/face (as it is in Jesus’ 2 Corinthians 4:4-6).

Proverbs 31:29 - Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all .

Proverbs 31:30 - Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised .

Proverbs 31:31 - Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

Yea, and like Tabitha (Dorcas; Acts 9:36,39), she will be sorely missed if gone too long, and so a reward from her Father in Heaven will be given her (Acts 9:40).

Yes, great will be her reward in heaven, for the “treasure”, to be given her, are all of the poor that, by the grace of God, accepted the Gospel through her faithful life’s witness and her children raised (her fruit), being utilized of God, showing forth the character of her Father in Heaven. She was faithful in that which was least, she shall be given more abundantly.

 

[on_the_hill]

I’m missing the point of all the Bible excerpts.

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

I’m missing the point of all the Bible excerpts.

Was just sharing with Shasta Rose, who posted material on Proverbs 31 from the KJB. So I thought it would be as a gift to Shasta to share on it. It is a bit of a segue, but I thought it worth the time to share with Shasta.

Apologies, we can go back to OP.

 

[on_the_hill]

Ok. I presume those bolded sections are KJV?

 

[ActsOfTheApossibles]

Wow. You fail at Church history…

Any place in particular you wanted to specify, so that we can look together?

 

[guanophore]

I’ve seen a lot of stuff around talking about how the KJV Bible is the only true Bible it’s very confusing and scary and I don’t know what to do.

Stop exposing yourself to “stuff around”. If you want to understand Catholicism, do not let the faith be defined by its enemies.

Just an odd choice considering that the DRB attempted to copy the KJB in certain styles of translation.

This seems like it might be difficult, since the Douay–Rheims New Testament was published in 1582, and the KJV was not begun until 1604 or completed/published until 1611.

There is a common anti-Catholic myth that the Bible was being withheld from the laity, but history proves otherwise.

 

[guanophore]

I never said we should throw out any of those versions as they have historical significance. I merely posed the question of why anyone would want to use them since we no longer talk that way.

Along those lines I would like to confess that I learned Greek in seminary, and prefer the Greek to any of the modern versions. I do not “talk that way”, but the depth of meaning found in the Greek has been a major foundation of my spiritual formation.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony : if they speak not according to this word , it is because there is no light in them.

This is also a strong support for what Jesus gave to His Church. He committed the authority to His apostles, who transferred it to their successors, the bishops. He placed His word in the Church, and has infallibly preserved it there by the Holy Spirit.

Where the application of this verse fails, is when interpretations are made that are contrary to what Jesus has already revealed to the Church.

God interprets His own word, line upon line, and thus God defines everything within the scripture, since it is His word, He knows what He said.

Indeed, but we each perceive His Word according to our experience and our education (or lack of it). The Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself, so how is it that so many people have totally opposite interpretations? Perhaps you will say" because one of them is not listening to what God has said …

which God gives plainly.

If it is so “plain”, how is it that there are so many opposing views.

 

[guanophore]

I never hear the Bible quoted chapter and verse by Catholics.
I like that - a lot.
I believe getting the vibe - or mood - of what’s being said -
Instead of EXACTLY - each word - what’s said.

Honestly, I wish more Catholics knew where to find things in the Scripture. We are exposed to it as a whole, which is good, but they should not be mutually exclusive.

Most people, including Catholics, do not realize that it was Catholics who created chapters, sections, and gave numbers to the verses. Prior to those being added, it was just one long run on text.

Gen 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God ? tell me them, I pray you.

This is a bit of a stretch, don’t you think? It is a reference to God revealing the meaning of a dream.

I do agree that the interpretation of Scripture belongs to God, as the Scripture is theopneustos. Jesus taught His Apostles how to interpret the Scripture, and gave the Holy Spirit to the Church, so that the Church could continue to exercise this gift.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation .

This verse actually supports the Catholic view, since Jesus taught that the Church is the authorative interpreter, rather than any one individual.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

This verse is often misused to support the erroneous notion that “scripture interprets itself”. However, Catholics will agree that a correct interpretation of scripture is consistent with all of Scripture, as none of it can contradict itself.

 

[njlisa]

As a Baptist, I grew up with the KJV, and I love the language. We memorized large passages of Scriptures and recited them by heart.

I became a Catholic in 1990. I now use a couple of translations, but mainly the NABRE. The KJV will always be my native biblical language.

 

[po18guy]

The King James Bible/Version although woefully incomplete at just 91% of the scriptures, is entirely useful for those who have the guidance of the Church which Christ founded for our salvation. When forcibly torn from that divinely instituted guidance, the KJB/KJV as well as all scriptures produce division and animosity, driven by the ego. Do we need more proof of that?

The KJV, for all the praise heaped upon it in the Old Testament is stilted and cold in the New Testament. The Rheims-Douai, Knox and 1941 Confraternity NT translations all flow much better and more clearly, IMO.

 

[Juvenal]

So that’s the one he used. I always wondered which one he carried with him for reference.

He was Jesus.

Is it true that Shakespeare worked on the King James Bible?

He didn’t have to settle for less.

While a ‘southern baptist’ (which I am not) may have said it, it is usually taken out of its properly defined context.

Said person, like myself, would never actually mean that Jesus had the KJB1611 in his hands. What is meant by the statement if properly understood, is that Jesus used the base Hebrew/Syriac text that is presently the foundation of the KJB, which is God’s preserved (Psalms 12:6-7) words in English.

That was satire.

This is not.

Warning​

There is really only one rule that precludes a church from sending a representative to the annual convention and that is if you support homosexuality in any form. If you speak out for acceptance of homosexuality or endorse the behavior, your church will be banned from participating in the Southern Baptist Convention. You also must ensure that your church makes regular contributions to the convention to remain in good standing with the SBC.

Get your family together, call yourself a Southern Baptist Church, and so long as you’re sufficiently homophobic, you’re a pastor.

On September 8, 1947, at the age of 17, he was ordained a Southern Baptist minister and moved to Cleveland, Tennessee, to attend Bob Jones College (now Bob Jones University, Greenville, South Carolina.

If you’re serious about studying the bible, and unable to do so in the original languages, you’ll use a translation used by biblical scholars. That does not include the KJV.

When God began to create heaven and earth — the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water — God said, “Let there be light”…

That’s from the Jewish Study Bible, featuring the Tanakh translation of the Jewish Publication Society, used in the Open Yale Course, Introduction to the Old Testament.

I can’t imagine a compelling argument for using any Christian translation of the Jewish texts.

 

[on_the_hill]

on_the_hill:

So that’s the one he used. I always wondered which one he carried with him for reference.

He was Jesus.

Is it true that Shakespeare worked on the King James Bible?

He didn’t have to settle for less.

That’s pretty cool. Shakespeare was Jesus’s stenographer.

 

[signit]

I’ve seen a lot of stuff around talking about how the KJV Bible is the only true Bible it’s very confusing and scary and I don’t know what to do.

The introduction to the Revised Standard Version (used by Catholics and Protestants) explains it better than I could:

introduction

The two main points are that (1) the KJV doesn’t take into account developments in Bible scholarship since 1611, and (2) it doesn’t take into account changes in the English language since then; many words in the KJV mean something different from what they mean now, possibly the exact opposite.

 

[DaveBj]

. . . it doesn’t take into account changes in the English language since then; many words in the KJV mean something different from what they mean now, possibly the exact opposite.

Not to mention that some words have dropped from usage altogether. When was the last time you saw someone getting amerced?

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