What's the craziest Anti-Catholic whopper you've ever heard?

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cjforJesus said:
It is jaw-dropping and incredibly creepy as many people believe if it is posted on the internet it must be true,

Often it is the opposite, people use the internet to spread lies and further their agenda of bashing and destroying the Catholic church because they know some of these “sources” they cite are difficult to confirm.
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Well, the false oath IS in the library of congress. That can certainly trick people who forget that libraries have fiction sections. 🤷
 
Farsight001 said:
Well, the false oath IS in the library of congress. That can certainly trick people who forget that libraries have fiction sections. 🤷
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lol.yeah I read that one too. The oath was supposedly not Jesuit but regarding the Knights of Columbus and it is in the Library of Congress.

I suppose one must assume that everything in the congressional record is absolute truth and all Knights of Columbus members hate babies and women ROFL.

Propaganda and rumors are so intriguing as the lies are dedunked and then the official bebunkers swarm in to debunk the debunking,It is a never ending game…
 
JohnCS said:
I’m particularly fond of the Whore of Babylon story. The Church itself is the Great Whore who gives birth to the Anti-Christ, which if I remember right is one of the Popes. Oh and I saw somewhere that some of the Pope’s names and numbers added up eqaul 666 or some such =)
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I’ve heard that to, here are some of the identifying markers, not by me at all, but given in the Bible for the Anti-Christ, and all have to fit the one power:
  1. it sits on 7 hills ----
  2. It is both a state and a church ----
  3. It rules with an iron fist for 1260 years (Dark ages) ----
  4. It is a persecuting power ----
  5. It claims the right to forgive sins ----
  6. It claims the place of God on Earth ----
  7. It seeks to change God’s times and laws ----
  8. In 1798, it suffered a “deadly wound” which it later recovered from ----
  9. Its colours are scarlet and purple —
  10. It contains elements of ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and pagan Rome ----
  11. It gets its seat and power from pagan Rome ----
 
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I’ve heard that to, here are some of the identifying markers, not by me at all, but given in the Bible for the Anti-Christ, and all have to fit the one power:
  1. it sits on 7 hills ----
  2. It is both a state and a church ----
  3. It rules with an iron fist for 1260 years (Dark ages) ----
  4. It is a persecuting power ----
  5. It claims the right to forgive sins ----
  6. It claims the place of God on Earth ----
  7. It seeks to change God’s times and laws ----
  8. In 1798, it suffered a “deadly wound” which it later recovered from ----
  9. Its colours are scarlet and purple —
  10. It contains elements of ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and pagan Rome ----
  11. It gets its seat and power from pagan Rome ----
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I’ll just bite on number 5.

Jesus, therefore, said to them again, “Peace to you. Just as the Father has sent me, I also send you.” And this having said, He breathed on them and says to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit! If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven to them; if you retain of any, they have been retained.”

I’ll take Jesus’ words any day. 🤷
 
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I’ve heard that to, here are some of the identifying markers, not by me at all, but given in the Bible for the Anti-Christ, and all have to fit the one power:
  1. it sits on 7 hills ----
  2. It is both a state and a church ----
  3. It rules with an iron fist for 1260 years (Dark ages) ----
  4. It is a persecuting power ----
  5. It claims the right to forgive sins ----
  6. It claims the place of God on Earth ----
  7. It seeks to change God’s times and laws ----
  8. In 1798, it suffered a “deadly wound” which it later recovered from ----
  9. Its colours are scarlet and purple —
  10. It contains elements of ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and pagan Rome ----
  11. It gets its seat and power from pagan Rome ----
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Actually most of this stuff isn’t in the Bible, and the “Anti-Christ” is not mentioned very much at all, and is NOT ONCE mentioned in Revelation, which is where what little is in the Bible comes from.
 
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I’ve heard that to, here are some of the identifying markers, not by me at all, but given in the Bible for the Anti-Christ, and all have to fit the one power:
  1. it sits on 7 hills ----
  2. It is both a state and a church ----
  3. It rules with an iron fist for 1260 years (Dark ages) ----
  4. It is a persecuting power ----
  5. It claims the right to forgive sins ----
  6. It claims the place of God on Earth ----
  7. It seeks to change God’s times and laws ----
  8. In 1798, it suffered a “deadly wound” which it later recovered from ----
  9. Its colours are scarlet and purple —
  10. It contains elements of ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and pagan Rome ----
  11. It gets its seat and power from pagan Rome ----
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The Whore of Babylon is a mystery, as the seven hills are also seven kingdoms.I am willing to bet though that this “secret goverrnment” new world order Illuminati stuff posted everywhere is definitely part of it.
 
cjforJesus said:
It is jaw-dropping and incredibly creepy as many people believe if it is posted on the internet it must be true,
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Actually, this one is in the Library of Congress and in the Congressional Record - both of which were entered by anti-Catholics during a period of very high tensions in the U.S. This was back when local laws prevented Catholics from finding jobs, joining unions, etc, which ultimately led to the formation of such Catholic groups as the Knights of Columbus.

By the way, there’s also a Kof C ‘oath’ in the LoC as well - it’s a far distinction from the oath I took when I tested for my degrees.
 
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here are some of the identifying markers … given in the Bible for the Anti-Christ, and all have to fit the one power:
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This has been addressed in other threads. As I understand these criteria, only some are in Scripture, and they refer to Pagan Rome:
  1. it sits on 7 hills ----
    This is Biblical. It refers to the Roman Empire and the Seven Hills of Rome, which are attested to by literary antiquity: Aventine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline, Palatine, Quirinal, Viminal.
Vatican Hill, on which The Vatican is built, is not on this list. It is opposite the Tiber from the other hills and would not be considered part of the Seven Hills by whilom readers of Revelation.
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  1. It is both a state and a church ----
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The Babylon of Revelation is a state and major trading power. The Vatican’s GDP is less than that of Rhode Island. Is the Babylon of Revelation a church? No. Even if we accept the Whore as being Israel, it is the state of Israel (a polity) rather than the Jewish faith (an ecclesiality) that is seen as giving itself over to Pagan Rome.
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  1. It rules with an iron fist for 1260 years (Dark ages) ----
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Numerology from Daniel and Revelation - though Daniel gives it as “time, times and time and a half” while Revelation gives it as 1260 days or 42 months. Neither extends it to years, so to proceed to years takes an assumption that is not found in Scripture.

More likely, it’s a numerical figure of speech referring to time in exile or in hiding. This is similar to the use of 40 days that Noah’s family sought refuge on the Ark and 40 days that Jesus wandered the wasteland.

It is also difficult to tie Daniel to Revelation. Both are apocalyptic literature, but are separated by 400 years. Even if we take “time, times and time and a half” as 3 1/2 years and coequal to 1260 days, this does not mean they refer to the same event.

And there is the issue of a ‘start date’ for the 1260 ‘years’. Which you address later.
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  1. It is a persecuting power ----
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The Christians to whom John addressed Revelation suffered terrible persecution under Pagan Rome, a Rome that deified its emperors, that celebrated death as public spectacle, and worshipped a whole host of deities.
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  1. It claims the right to forgive sins ----
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The power to forgive sins is not claimed by the Antichrist. What passage of Scripture do you cite to make this claim?

This argument arises because of the Catholic Sacrament of Reconciliation. We believe Our Lord gave the authority to His Church to forgive sins in His Name. This is the power to loose and to bind (Mt 16:19).
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  1. It claims the place of God on Earth ----
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While the Beast out of the Earth in Revelation blasphemes God, it does not specifically say that it claims the place of God on Earth. The emperors of Pagan Rome, who saw themselves as living gods, indeed did claim the place of God.
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  1. It seeks to change God’s times and laws ----
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A prophecy in Daniel but not in Revelation. It was fulfilled by Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who attempted to change Jewish worship. These attempts to defile the Temple were recorded in 2nd Maccabees, which is an interesting historical document even if you don’t accept its inspiration.
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  1. In 1798, it suffered a “deadly wound” which it later recovered from ----
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If we follow SDA theology, the 1260 year period begins in 538 A.D. and ends in 1798 A.D. Again, 1260 is a numerical figure of speech that refers to time in exile or in wandering. But if we take it as signifying ‘rule’, then we must ask what definitive ‘rule’ began in 538 and ended in 1798?

Wiki (sorry) gives two reasons for why these dates are important:
538: The defeat of the Ostrogoths by Justinian I’s general, Belisarius
1798: The capture of Pope Pius VI by Napoleon’s general, Berthier

These are problematic - and reflect a contrivance of dates by 19th century Americans in order to make the 1260 year period work.

Belisarius was led the defeat of the Ostrogoths but 538 wasn’t a significant year. It was the year the Ostrogoths failed to besiege Rome, but more significant defeats for the Ostrogoths were the Battle of Taginae in 552 and the capture of the last Ostrogoth leader, Widin, in 561. Nor was 538 the defeat of Arianism when Arian kingdoms survived another 20 years. Nor was 538 the founding of the Papacy when the first use of “Pope” to refer to the office was by Macellinus (d. 304 a.d.). In short, 538 is a conveniently picked date meant to fit in with 1798.

Now 1798 ended the Pope’s temporal power until the Lateran Treaty returned sovereignty of Vatican City in 1929. It did not mark the end of ecclesial authority of the Pope - which is far more important.
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  1. Its colours are scarlet and purple —
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Attested in Revelation. Scarlet and Purple are colors of blood and of royalty. Note that the liturgical color of the Catholic Church is white. Celebrants wear red for four weeks during Advent and for Pentecost, and Purple for the six weeks of Lent, but otherwise green is the secondary liturgical color. The Pope wears white.
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  1. It contains elements of ancient Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and pagan Rome ----
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This is not attested to in Revelation. If we interpret the prophecies of Daniel 7 to refer to these ancient kingdoms, then we see how the prophecy ties to these polities. As far as “containing elements”, that is not in Scripture.
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  1. It gets its seat and power from pagan Rome ----
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Be more clear here. The Antichrist in Revelation was Pagan Rome and the culture of death, evil and pagan worship that it engendered.
 
I believe “Mystery Babylon” is referring to the coming New world order and one world religion.
 
Hi, Losh14,

This was very interesting reading! 🙂

I have only one comment:
losh14 said:
This argument arises because of the Catholic Sacrament of Reconciliation. We believe Our Lord gave the authority to His Church to forgive sins in His Name. This is the power to loose and to bind (Mt 16:19).
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While this is an excellent reference, in my opinon, John 20:20 may provide a more specific focus on Christ delegating the Power of God to forgive sin to the Apostles and to their Successors.

Great post! 👍

God bless
 
My personal favorite was posted by a young (teen or early twenties) earnest man who was absolutely convinced that JP2 had fought in WW2 as a Fascist. No amount of historical correction could disuade him from this notion, not even someone else pointing out that JP2 was Polish.
 
Hi, 1Holycatholic,

I went to the link you provided and while the author is significantly delusional … the comments were pretty interesting! The last one was priceless and really put the entire matter into perspective.

Thanks for sharing this - actually, there were multiple whoppers at this site!

God bless
1holycatholic said:
The Trail of Blood. :rolleyes:
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want some really good whoppers check out this site www. jesus-is-lord.com
Did you know that the the Catholic church taught santa claus is real and if you change the letters around you get yep satan claus:eek: this place is insanely bitter.
 
fbl9 said:
want some really good whoppers check out this site www. jesus-is-lord.com
Did you know that the the Catholic church taught santa claus is real and if you change the letters around you get yep satan claus:eek: this place is insanely bitter.
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Yep. They have more issues that Sports Illustrated.
They aren’t playing with a full deck. They don’t have hardly any deck at all. They have a 3.
Seriously, where do they come up with this stuff?
 
patrick457 said:
Some will say that that’s because we still keep Him up on that cross. As if crucifixes were some sort of voodoo dolls that have any magical effect on the Son of God. 😃

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/britishgrenadier/Crucifixes/shg_crucifix.jpg

Sometimes it makes me wonder: how such people actually come up of an idea they think Catholics believe, when the opposite is the case in reality.
If a statue such as the one in the pic actually keeps Jesus on the cross, then wow. I didn’t know that a simple carving has the power to pin Jesus back up a cross. 🤷
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Hi Patrick, yes that was exactly where the comment came from, a woman on another board claimed this is what Catholics believe and when questioned went on to list all her Official Catholic Credentials giving her the right to make the claim, she knew her stuff, she used to be Catholic after all … finally after a few pages of back and forth (somewhat heated) it came out that she had merely attended a wedding in a Catholic Church and saw the Crucifix … no, she had never been Catholic. Over the years I’ve come to the conclusion that most who claim to ex-Catholic, and therefore know their stuff, never were!!
 
KennC said:
Hi Patrick, yes that was exactly where the comment came from, a woman on another board claimed this is what Catholics believe and when questioned went on to list all her Official Catholic Credentials giving her the right to make the claim, she knew her stuff, she used to be Catholic after all … finally after a few pages of back and forth (somewhat heated) it came out that she had merely attended a wedding in a Catholic Church and saw the Crucifix … no, she had never been Catholic. Over the years I’ve come to the conclusion that most who claim to ex-Catholic, and therefore know their stuff, never were!!
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Yep, I have also had dealings with an “ex-Catholic” who dropped out after six weeks of RCIA, because of her nineteen previous marriages - she didn’t want to deal with all of that paperwork (who would!?) - this is the same one who can’t figure out why her children have identity issues … 🤷 :rolleyes:
 
jmcrae said:
Yep, I have also had dealings with an “ex-Catholic” who dropped out after six weeks of RCIA, because of her nineteen previous marriages - she didn’t want to deal with all of that paperwork (who would!?) - this is the same one who can’t figure out why her children have identity issues … 🤷 :rolleyes:
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19??? … Lord help her, lol and at least 6 weeks of RCIA beats 1 wedding attendance 😉

Good to see one of your posts again, … (we used to post on the same board many years ago)
 
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