And after you explain that, please explain what you make of the WBTS’s false prophecy that the generation who saw the events take place in 1914 would not pass away? How does an organization that claims to be Jehovah’s mouthpiece get that wrong for the majority of it’s history?.
- And finally, 1914 invisible return of Christ to rule as king??? When in Christian History, did anyone teach that Christ wasn’t already King, from conception, and definitely at his resurrection. I would love for you to explain the 1914 math, showing the prophecies that explained it. You know the 7 times, and using wrong dates like 607.
They knew who brought them out of the Egypt, lookThey didn’t “include” a golden calf in their worship to God, they worshiped the golden calf as God.
What is a christian to you?They are both a few sandwiches shy of a picnic IMO. They are not christians.
Great thinkers…The bible describes this differently…Seamless? I don’t know the level of your affiliation with the JW, but from your speech and use of key JW scriptures, it seems you are already a member. I will ask you about 3 very strange doctrines that are not seamless in view of the Bible, and ask that you just have to answer one.
I hope you realize that there are great thinkers in the Church and always have been, just because the Church doesn’t force its people to learn it all, does not make them bad. You have to take responsibility for yourself if you need the extra knowledge.
- When in Christian History before Rutherford and maybe even CT Russel was the teaching that Christians would be divided into two groups? That somehow the majority of Christians are not part of the Body of Christ, do not have Jesus as their mediator, but benefit from the mediation between the little flock and Jesus? That despite John 6, eating and drinking the body and blood of Christ is not necessary for life, ever, not even the one time a year the option is even available? Passing the bread and wine around, while all refuse to eat, to only throw it away after the little party is over; seamless Christian tradition alright.
- When did Jews or Christians ever believe that we are not judged on our lives right now? You do realize that JW teach that almost everyone will be resurrected, good and bad, and only then will their lives be what they are judged on.
- And finally, 1914 invisible return of Christ to rule as king??? When in Christian History, did anyone teach that Christ wasn’t already King, from conception, and definitely at his resurrection. I would love for you to explain the 1914 math, showing the prophecies that explained it. You know the 7 times, and using wrong dates like 607.
Of course the council of Nicea kind of settled the dispute regarding the divinity of Jesus. I know its difficult by pulling a verse here or these and building an argument for or against something, but doesn’t the Gospel of John pretty much say that Jesus is divine? If it didn’t, why do the JW’s need to change John 1? Who do you say that I am ?JW’s believe in the bible, and follow the teachings of Jesus the closest of any religion. They seem to be very misunderstood, and if you actually listen to their message it flows together seamlessly. I have studied with them and was charged with proving the scriptures they gave me wrong. Honestly I couldn’t, and it was ok for me to have to adjust my way of thinking about the scriptures after careful study. Look…
They believe that due to Adam/Eve’s sin
This refers to Jesus dying for our sins to reverse the sin we inherited. Jesus is bruised in the heel by Satan, then he bruises him in the head at the conclusion of things. They also believe that through Jesus (Jesus means YHWH is salvation) humans are able to be saved.Code:Genesis 3:15 -And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
They also don’t believe God and Jesus are the same person, and this was difficult for me…But after analyzing how the previous Israelites and Christians lived during Jesus era, they recognized God as YHWH. Look…Code:John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Look at how it is translated from the Septuagint (70 who translated Hebrew scrolls to Greek during Jesus Day, and these are the same manuscripts used by Jesus and his disciples)Code:Exodus 3:15-And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Interestingly enough Barnes’ Notes “ The name signifies that by which God makes Himself known, the memorial that by which His people worship Him.” Notice this applies to all generations…Also take a look at this scripture found atCode:Exodus 3:15-God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.
This scripture haunted my belief that I held on to dearly about God Jesus being equal. This is from Jesus’ lips…Code:Psalms 83:18-That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
From reading John 3:16 we clearly see that Jesus was sent by YHWH, and he is in constant submission to YHWH, who resurrected him on the third day.Code:John 13:16-Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
I have to say I tried to defend my belief with everything I had, but it just makes too much sense to me. I will honestly say I learned more in studying for 3 months than I have learned in my entire life. I have never been encouraged to read the bible myself, and try to find error. I couldn’t, the difference I found is that JW’s know the bible, and their beliefs are strictly based off the scriptures….Please if anyone can find error in what I have presented please show me that I may make a solid defense.
Great thinkers…The bible describes this differently…
Zeph 3:9“For then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that they may all call on the name of Yahweh, to serve him shoulder to shoulder."
worldebible.com/zephaniah/3.htm
You seem to have a fair dislike for the history of JWs, they can be annoying with all the knocking on doors. You have raised 3 important topics, and from my brief study of the scriptures I would love to answer your questions. I would like to answer your questions individually in order to really find truth, but before I answer your questions I would like to know if you understand the history of the Israelites. What is the significance of the Levites, this will help us understand question 1?
I really hope that you are not insulting the saints in your silly, out of context quote of Zephaniah. It sounds as if you are saying that the JW are the people that God has purified their lips, because they all follow the exact same ideas. I hope you realize that the Catholic Church has always had unified beliefs that its members must accept. The difference being that the Church’s Dogma is purely scriptural and from ancient Christian History/Tradition; and the JW’s being from men in New York, USA, based on pyramids, visions, purposeful twisting of scripture, wanting to stand out as different.What is the significance of the Levites???
**A Christian is someone who believes Jesus was God, as God, from all eternity. Because of the consubstantiality of the Trinity, He, the Second Person of the Trinity, is the One Supreme God - the One Supreme Triune God. ** (It was only at some point in human time (not even at the beginning of human time) that He united His eternal Divine nature to our human nature.)What is a christian to you?
I would say the JW’s “know” what THEY THINK the Bible to BE; they know something that is a departure from the REAL Bible… their New World Translation is a deliberate & deplorable departure from authentic RCC translations. No Biblical Scholar worth his salt would give a plug nickel for it. First year Greek students can easily find the errors deliberately placed within it’s worthless pages.JW’s believe in the bible, and follow the teachings of Jesus the closest of any religion. They seem to be very misunderstood, and if you actually listen to their message it flows together seamlessly. I have studied with them and was charged with proving the scriptures they gave me wrong. Honestly I couldn’t, and it was ok for me to have to adjust my way of thinking about the scriptures after careful study. Look…
They believe that due to Adam/Eve’s sin
This refers to Jesus dying for our sins to reverse the sin we inherited. Jesus is bruised in the heel by Satan, then he bruises him in the head at the conclusion of things. They also believe that through Jesus (Jesus means YHWH is salvation) humans are able to be saved.Code:Genesis 3:15 -And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
They also don’t believe God and Jesus are the same person, and this was difficult for me…But after analyzing how the previous Israelites and Christians lived during Jesus era, they recognized God as YHWH. Look…Code:John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Look at how it is translated from the Septuagint (70 who translated Hebrew scrolls to Greek during Jesus Day, and these are the same manuscripts used by Jesus and his disciples)Code:Exodus 3:15-And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Interestingly enough Barnes’ Notes “ The name signifies that by which God makes Himself known, the memorial that by which His people worship Him.” Notice this applies to all generations…Also take a look at this scripture found atCode:Exodus 3:15-God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.
This scripture haunted my belief that I held on to dearly about God Jesus being equal. This is from Jesus’ lips…Code:Psalms 83:18-That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
From reading John 3:16 we clearly see that Jesus was sent by YHWH, and he is in constant submission to YHWH, who resurrected him on the third day.Code:John 13:16-Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
I have to say I tried to defend my belief with everything I had, but it just makes too much sense to me. I will honestly say I learned more in studying for 3 months than I have learned in my entire life. I have never been encouraged to read the bible myself, and try to find error. I couldn’t, the difference I found is that JW’s know the bible, and their beliefs are strictly based off the scriptures….Please if anyone can find error in what I have presented please show me that I may make a solid defense.
My answer has been posted by others! But worshiping multiple gods is not christian, good enough?What is a christian to you?
Greetings and peace ChristianAD,So they worshipped this calf to represent the God that rescued them. Do you really think it mattered how they worshipped the calf or the fact that they worshipped the calf period? Most would agree that it doesn’t matter how the calf was worshipped whether it replaced God or was a physical mediator to try to worship him it was still something disgusting to God. This is what I mean by not peering into the truth. People are so concerned with word play rather than the issue at hand. Do you believe anything can be worshipped other than God, or with God? Secondly, how can you have a relationship with someone and you don’t even know their name only their title…God. YHWH instructed us to use his name…
What really makes no sense is that the Catholic Church compiled the bible, and yet we are told not to rely on the Word of God as sola inscriptura.
Is the Word of God limited to the written word in the Bible?
So my next question is Why an easter bunny and what does Easter mean? Research the history of this…My answer has been posted by others! But worshiping multiple gods is not christian, good enough?
yes and constantine declared this in 321ce dies solis…the scriptures also reveal that the early church had established the custom of meeting on the first day if the week. See acts 20:7. To understand why this day was selected, see john 20:19, and all four gospels treatment of the resurrection.