What's with all the anti women threads recently??

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I don’t think that just because a man stands up against radical feminazism mean that that man is “anti-women”. We are both equal and I don’t think most feminists realize that. Their perception is that it is some kind of power struggle between the sexes, as if men have had the reigns for too long or something. No that is not how it is, I do understand that in some aspects of life it is a man’s world but then those are areas that we need to fix and should be made better asap. We have always been equal and should strive to make that the way it truly works out in society.
 
Nimzovik said:
It is a literary device I employ for inflection. See here: thefreedictionary.com/inflection

I can always tell when the opposition attacks my posting techniques as opposed to the thesis that they may be bankrupt of thought.😉
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Attacking individuals rather than their arguments is also a common sign of intellectual bankruptcy.

Are you unaware of using this tactic yourself or simply trolling?
 
Originally Posted by The Bucket
Maybe in the general public Nimzovik, but I really doubt such labels are necessary on a Catholic Answers website. It should be assumed that Catholics, both men and women alike, are going to be on board with their Church’s doctrine if they’re on this site. You’re not going to be confronting anyone here because you’re not going to find support for abortion, sterilization or anything along those lines here. Anyone calling herself a feminist on this site would probably be better thought of as a “normal modern Christian woman” in contrast to the uber-traditionalists that are also on here. So ease up rider
Nimzovik said:
Think** again**. See posts by Blue Eyed Lady or Angry Atheist. A title that distinguishes the Christain feminist from the abortionist , man hating, Scripture miscontruing Feminist is in order here as such issues are discussed here methinks.

Nuff said.
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I know a lot of Feminists who hate (or at least are dismissive towards) Scripture because they take its apparently misogynistic passages at face value.
 
Serap said:
ok…you’re being kinda a silly billy here. 99% women would verbally slap a woman for claiming she’s pro abortion on CAF.

**I have yet to see a man stand up to another man who claims that a working mother is wrong. ** You just don’t see it. All you get is a bunch of women defending themselves and other men joining in on the anti-women sentiment.

It happens over and over again on CAF.
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I have and I’m a man:shrug:

I did so in this very thread (below) arguing with someone called Portrait, who endorses the idea that all women should be homemakers and leave the worlds of business, politics, finance, etc. to the menfolk:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=670412&highlight=AngryAtheist8&page=14
 
thewanderer said:
They already have!!! Thats the whole freaking point that so many posters on this thread are trying to make clear to you because you seem to try and lump all feminists together in the same bucket. So you are hardly saying anything new or exciting by saying that the Catholic feminism is incompatible with radical feminism, or that Catholics should not ascribe to radical feminism but embrace feminism as expressed by the teachings of the Church. I’m sorry to break it to you, but most people here are already well aware of this. After all, the only person on this thread that has espoused any ideas related to a feminism that is contrary to the Church is, surprise surprise, not a Catholic. You are not really changing people’s minds by your inflammatory attitude, you are just making people feel less like listening to anything that have to say.
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👍 Exactly!!!
 
TrueLight said:
Sorry, I need more than that. 🙂

JP spoke of mutual submission and so does the Bible. The Bible also talks of the man loving the woman as Christ loved the Church and the woman submitting to her husband as to the Lord.

Other Popes also spoke of the same, but I guess one can say they were products of their culture.

**The sad part is that the the relationship between husband and wife with the husband as the loving leader and the wife as his loving helpmate, is a beautiful thing and does not involve demeaning of women. I would never stand for that. **

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don’t understand what it means on both sides, and often those of us who get it, end up on the same side with the crazies.
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But that is not the norm (nor has it ever been).
The reality of the situation is, any group that gives up all power and autonomy will be abused.

I don’t care if you completely submit to your husband or not.
But if you try to make all women (many of whom will be married to bad or at least selfish men) act the same, you will be enabling abuse (of women).
 
BlueEyedLady said:
I am a feminist. And I don’t think that there is anything wrong with staying at home if that’s what the woman chooses to do because that’s what she wants for herself and her family. But saying that a woman must stay home, that it is immoral for her not to, or that she’s rejecting her femininity by working is anti woman. At that point you aren’t treating her as an individual who is capable of making her own choices. You are instead making decisions for her based on her gender alone, and that robs her of her basic dignity.

And yes, people who believe that women must stay home are pretty vocal about resenting women in the workforce and in positions of power. It is an effort to keep them from really participating in and shaping society.
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  1. I resent the radical feminists who did and still do hate the family, the unborn and their drive to divide and conquer. Men - the eternal enemy. Women - the eternal victims. But I don’t resent women in the workforce. My mother, with a sixth grade education, got a job at a major baking company in the heart of Detroit in the early 1950s. She worked, saved her money and paid cash for our house.
  2. Power, to me, is an ugly word. It only means “I can force people to do what I say.” and that applies equally to men and women. What I resent is the radical feminist propaganda that said women must have power and control over men, like two warring camps. Such thinking can never lead to earning the other person’s trust or friendship or respect, or true love. NEVER. Which is why it quickly degenerated to women who wanted to be men.
  3. Where do women want to participate in our society? Is it like the leader of a Michigan Business Association who said that she was disappointed that women were not the heads of most businesses? Once again, this is the unhealthy language of warfare, not a fair competition.
  4. How do women want to shape society? I believe women are just as smart as men. I mean that, and that applies to most of the women I grew up (and there were a few guys who were stupid and immature as well), as well as the women I know today.
What I’m referring to is the distorted - thoroughly distorted - image women were given of themselves from people who hated stable families, the unborn and traditional marriage. And through their propaganda factories with names like Women’s Studies, they convinced a number of women that their natural relationship with all men was a lie. That cooperation with the enemy was impossible. That only by force - power - would they realize some vague, undefined potential as women – fictional women. Women who stopped thinking for themselves but followed the Feminist Dictatorship and their Indoctrination System. And who abandoned as impossible, and unworthy, a goal like having a stable family, or a committed relationship.

The world would be reformed in the distorted image and likeness of the woman as a creature totally unrelated to men in any way. Only her comrades, called “Sisters,” were her allies.

I heard it: “Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression!!” - Men. All men. They declared war and promoted the doctrine of separation and instability.

I believe women can do whatever they want. The Radical Feminists had zero practical, useful or cooperative solutions. None.

Peace,
Ed
 
Calliso said:
Yeah though to be fair compared to some stuff I have seen that site is actually really tame. I mean early someone linked to a thread where Inspiration was apparently arguing that women are less intelligent then men. :rolleyes:
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He was arguing that.
I was the one that he was arguing with.
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
From what I have observed its pretty normal for CAF
You have to remember that Catholic Answers is a relatively conservative (Catholic) forum, and that there is a significant number of hardcore conservatives here that take the idea that women were created to be men’s helpers/assistants very seriously.
Nimzovik said:
Rather a broad and sweeping generalization -yes?:rolleyes:

And this “there is a significant number of hardcore conservatives here that take the idea that women were created to be men’s helpers/assistants very seriously.” is a stunning example of not only stereotypical male bashing, but conservative bashing as well, is it not? You can bolster this claim with something other than your apparently prejudiced opinion I hope? :cool:

*Certainly *your statement does not reflect the Scriptual context that the Catholic Faith advocates now does it?

It is this very ‘culture of acceptable verbal discrimination’ regarding men as so eloquently evidenced by your comments that highlights the need to reverse such a pervasive, mutually detrimental environment. The comment you offered above wreaks of the Us versus Them mentality IMHO.
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Of course.
I have already provided 2 good examples of CAF threads with posters expressing misogynistic viewpoints, but here’s another one (since you asked):

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=589424&highlight=AngryAtheist8
 
Originally Posted by AngryAtheist8
Valuable traditions like arranged marriages
Nimzovik said:
Indeed? How about the ‘valuable tradition’ of treating men like Army Ants to fight wars? Please! Do not give me the non plausible stuff about how women do not inflict war! What about Maggie Thatcher and the Falklands?
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What (if anything) does that have to do with (generally) anti-woman traditions like arranged marriages (where girls are frequently bartered and sold like property)?:rolleyes:
 
Originally Posted by In Spiration
The “Catholic Feminism” may not necessarily be (overtly) atheistic, but it does indeed derive from principles that presume necessary skepticism re: absolutes, the supernatural, the Good, etc. I think the feminism of many Christians is probably more tied to an implicitly assumed egalitarianism that they likely picked up through the culture at large. Their main concerns seem to be in promoting “freedom,” which, according to liberal theory, is not defined as the ability to do good, but instead as mere autonomy. So the goal becomes simply to maximize the total amount of choice for individuals with different-but-equal values (which, for women who believe all male dominance is oppression, amounts to female-centered egalitarianism, or “feminism”). Egalitarian liberalism is in part an attempt to achieve neutrality through tolerant non-judgment. It ends up reducing goodness to preference, or the “freedom” to maximize the pursuit of one’s hyper-individualized preferences in a fundamentally atomistic society. (I’m summing up complex theories and history pretty briefly here, so please permit the simplifications I’ve made in this short post.)

A lot of Catholics find feminism harmless due to the fact its costs are hidden. But make no mistake – we pay for all forms of feminism in one way or another. Nothing is free. The cost is a gradual loss of civilization (after demographic winter), and the currency is artificial contraception and abortion. (Men will then try to recover their losses through other means, including pornography and avoidance of marriage – see: Japan.) Feminism simply would not be feasible if women were in large, fruitful, truly Catholic families, and the majority of them would be if they couldn’t sinfully satisfy their sexual urges “without any [explicit] consequences”. One could argue that feminism is effectively an attempt to shift the costs of women’s bad “choices” onto children, men, or the State.

Thus we sacrifice human souls so that we can sustain the “liberation” of women from the terrible life of having many children while their husbands work hard to support them.

And we think human sacrifice is a thing of the past. . . as the abortion death toll approaches one billion worldwide.
Nimzovik said:
Thanks for that. Perhaps some of those that need to will actually read it!
Not holding my breath tho-😉
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In Spiration argued with me for pages in another thread, advocating the idea that women are stupid.

Why should we take his opinions on Feminism seriously?
 
Rhuarc said:
I don’t think that just because a man stands up against radical feminazism mean that that man is “anti-women”. We are both equal and I don’t think most feminists realize that. Their perception is that it is some kind of power struggle between the sexes, as if men have had the reigns for too long or something. No that is not how it is, I do understand that in some aspects of life it is a man’s world but then those are areas that we need to fix and should be made better asap. **We have always been equal **and should strive to make that the way it truly works out in society.
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Not in a social, legal, or political sense.
Western women only gained voting rights within the last century, and the century before that they had limited property rights (and in many countries men had the right to beat or rape their wives at will).
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
Originally Posted by In Spiration
The “Catholic Feminism” may not necessarily be (overtly) atheistic, but it does indeed derive from principles that presume necessary skepticism re: absolutes, the supernatural, the Good, etc. I think the feminism of many Christians is probably more tied to an implicitly assumed egalitarianism that they likely picked up through the culture at large. Their main concerns seem to be in promoting “freedom,” which, according to liberal theory, is not defined as the ability to do good, but instead as mere autonomy. So the goal becomes simply to maximize the total amount of choice for individuals with different-but-equal values (which, for women who believe all male dominance is oppression, amounts to female-centered egalitarianism, or “feminism”). Egalitarian liberalism is in part an attempt to achieve neutrality through tolerant non-judgment. It ends up reducing goodness to preference, or the “freedom” to maximize the pursuit of one’s hyper-individualized preferences in a fundamentally atomistic society. (I’m summing up complex theories and history pretty briefly here, so please permit the simplifications I’ve made in this short post.)

A lot of Catholics find feminism harmless due to the fact its costs are hidden. But make no mistake – we pay for all forms of feminism in one way or another. Nothing is free. The cost is a gradual loss of civilization (after demographic winter), and the currency is artificial contraception and abortion. (Men will then try to recover their losses through other means, including pornography and avoidance of marriage – see: Japan.) Feminism simply would not be feasible if women were in large, fruitful, truly Catholic families, and the majority of them would be if they couldn’t sinfully satisfy their sexual urges “without any [explicit] consequences”. One could argue that feminism is effectively an attempt to shift the costs of women’s bad “choices” onto children, men, or the State.

Thus we sacrifice human souls so that we can sustain the “liberation” of women from the terrible life of having many children while their husbands work hard to support them.

And we think human sacrifice is a thing of the past. . . as the abortion death toll approaches one billion worldwide.

In Spiration argued with me for pages in another thread, advocating the idea that women are stupid.

Why should we take his opinions on Feminism seriously?
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In Spiration is absolutely right. And I don’t think women are stupid.

Pope Benedict:

“If we cannot have common values, common truths, sufficient communication on the essentials of human life–how to live how to respond to the great challenges of human life–then true society becomes impossible.”

“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires. The church must defend itself against threats such as “radical individualism” and “vague religious mysticism”. [emphasis added]”

Peace,
Ed
 
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