What's with all the anti women threads recently??

[austenbosten]

I don’t understand how threads about men talking men’s issue’s could be considered anti-woman?
Does that mean if women talk about women’s issues it’s anti-man?

I think people are too focused on identity politics and their ingrained double standards. A National Association for the Advancement of Color People is okay and accepted, but one called the National Association for the Advancement of White People would be deemed racist? (Not that I’m advocating for one). It’s okay for women to talk about difficulties dealing with their male counterparts, but not for men to do the same with women?

People need to seriously get off of their sanctimonious crack pipes.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

Christ submitted to his Church to the point of death, even death on a cross. I don’t know how much more submissive you can get.

The point that men are generally predisposed to leadership and women generally predisposed to following and falling for strong leaders is well-documented. As I’ve said in threads past, it’s SCIENCE!

But these general observations have more to do with disposition rather than who has moral authority or the “last say” in a household when it comes to decision-making, discipline, etc. That is up to individual married couples. They are the ones to determine how best their personalities mesh and how they can best serve God and one another. The Church is silent on the matter except to demand that husbands and wives give their entire selves to one another. I really don’t see how people can get those wires crossed and yet they do.

Come now. I’m not even going to touch the issue of “science” on a forum where so many posters don’t even acknowledge evolution.

Other than that, I generally agree with what you have said here.

 

[The_Bucket]

No argument with your first point Veritas. Societies of the past did not recognize the value of women as equals in Christ or thought that a paternalistic approach “protected” them. Well in some cases I guess it did given pervasive violence but in many other instances both women and children were chattel.

I suppose it’s no surprise that our ancestors, no matter where we live, failed to get everything right since we’re pretty much abysmal failures today. Welcome to humanity.

 

[The_Bucket]

Come now. I’m not even going to touch the issue of “science” on a forum where so many posters don’t even acknowledge evolution.

Other than that, I generally agree with what you have said here.

I find it laughable that Catholics would want to discourage the teaching of evolution or any other scientific creation theory out there. Was not the Church the near sole repository of knowledge both scientific and literary for hundreds of years in Europe? I would hope that given evolution and big bang theory in no way contradict the true teachings of the Church that God created the universe we would embrace the discovery of HOW He did so. It’s a fascinating thing to not only recognize the beauty of His creation but the beauty in the intricacy of how it was made.

Just because many scientists can’t get out of their own egos’ way and publicly deny the existence of God does not mean they are not helping us uncover the mystery of His creation. God finds ways to make all people His instruments if he can…

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Yes, I agree with you. However, which threads on this Forum say that a woman must stay home for her family and cannot work outside the home?

Not whole threads, but specific posters.

 

[The_Bucket]

Not whole threads, but specific posters.

If you’ll recall, there are specific posters that pop up time to time that tell us that NFP is immoral, a light kiss during the Sign of Peace is out of order, the Novus Ordo form of the Mass is “wrong” or at least vulgar (despite the fact that there was basically no set Mass form for hundreds of years in the early Church) and that the world is truly going to hell this time around despite the fact that it’s always been messed up.

And on the flip side you’ve got others saying the Church doesn’t know what it’s talking about when it comes to contraception and they can do whatever they want. And I’ve never run across a real-life population that’s been so littered with annulments and interfaith marriages that didn’t receive dispensations.

Basically, it’s a cross-section of humanity and human beings are pretty darn imperfect.

 

[Mary_Fleurdelis]

I am a feminist. And I don’t think that there is anything wrong with staying at home if that’s what the woman chooses to do because that’s what she wants for herself and her family. But saying that a woman must stay home, that it is immoral for her not to, or that she’s rejecting her femininity by working is anti woman. At that point you aren’t treating her as an individual who is capable of making her own choices. You are instead making decisions for her based on her gender alone, and that robs her of her basic dignity.

And yes, people who believe that women must stay home are pretty vocal about resenting women in the workforce and in positions of power. It is an effort to keep them from really participating in and shaping society.

1. Great.
2. It is wrong for people to say women have no place in the workforce or positions of power, but I have to disagree that women cannot participate or shape society by raising a family. Practically speaking, stay at home moms come into contact with a much wider range of people on a daily basis. Their role is simply different.

I find it laughable that Catholics would want to discourage the teaching of evolution or any other scientific creation theory out there. Was not the Church the near sole repository of knowledge both scientific and literary for hundreds of years in Europe? I would hope that given evolution and big bang theory in no way contradict the true teachings of the Church that God created the universe we would embrace the discovery of HOW He did so…

I agree, but do not present all evolutionary theory as fact. It is a theory.

 

[Sapphiregirl]

Our current understanding of germs is “theory”… Don’t use that word as a copout to discredit something. We understand evolution a lot more than we understand gravity, and none tries to argue against gravity.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Our current understanding of germs is “theory”… Don’t use that word as a copout to discredit something. We understand evolution a lot more than we understand gravity, and none tries to argue against gravity.

But it’s called the “Law of Gravity” not the “Theory of Gravity”

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Our current understanding of germs is “theory”… Don’t use that word as a copout to discredit something. We understand evolution a lot more than we understand gravity, and none tries to argue against gravity.

I hate it when people try to say that evolution is just a theory. That shows such a fundamental lack of scientific understanding. In science the term theory does NOT refer to an unproven idea like it does in day to day conversation.

And you’re right, gravity is also a theory.

 

[Nec5]

Our current understanding of germs is “theory”… Don’t use that word as a copout to discredit something. We understand evolution a lot more than we understand gravity, and none tries to argue against gravity.

Well, last time I checked anyone can drop a ball and see that something always draws it downward just as planets draw objects to them. I don’t know anyone that’s seen a microbe evolve into gerbil and then into something bigger.

While we may not fully understand gravity, we know something is acting there all the time. It’s observable. Some kinds of evolution are observable too, but the common descent argument is not.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I hate it when people try to say that evolution is just a theory. That shows such a fundamental lack of scientific understanding. In science the term theory does NOT refer to an unproven idea like it does in day to day conversation.

And you’re right, gravity is also a theory.

Actually it’s the “Law of Gravity” not “Theory of Gravity”

But evolution is off topic to the thread.

 

[The_Bucket]

Theories are ever-evolving if you’ll excuse the nearly unavoidable pun. Gravity is a law and therefore a fact. Evolution is a theory just like any other theory out there though there is a plethora of evidence to back up at least its basic tenets. I would hope any science teacher worth his or her salt would explain the difference between a theory and a scientific law.

Conversations about intelligent design, however, should be relegated to religion classes. It is not a scientific theory. Certainly I believe and know God created the universe but that knowledge has little to do with determining how He went about doing that.

 

[The_Bucket]

Some kinds of evolution are observable too, but the common descent argument is not.

Given the fact that observing that would take millions of years and has already happened, well no kidding. That doesn’t dispute the fact that there is a huge chunk of evidence out there demonstrating that this is the best theory available right now and that should be presented as part of any good curriculum.

But as another poster said, it’s off-topic.

 

[Sapphiregirl]

Ok, but it is the “Germ theory of disease”, and no one comes along and says it is actually little gnomes causing illness…

 

[meltzerboy]

1. Great.
2. It is wrong for people to say women have no place in the workforce or positions of power, but I have to disagree that women cannot participate or shape society by raising a family. Practically speaking, stay at home moms come into contact with a much wider range of people on a daily basis. Their role is simply different.

I agree, but do not present all evolutionary theory as fact. It is a theory.

By definition, a scientific theory is a group of related facts that are internally consistent with one another. It is the best we have for the time being, but is still subject to revision or rejection if new information is found that the theory cannot explain. A hypothesis, on the other hand, is an informed opinion that needs to be tested and either confirmed or not confirmed. If a hypothesis is confirmed, it can become a theory. Quiz tomorrow morning!

 

[BlueEyedLady]

Actually it’s the “Law of Gravity” not “Theory of Gravity”

But evolution is off topic to the thread.

Actually, it’s both. The law of gravity describes what, the theory explains how. And in science a law and a theory both have different meanings than they do in casual conversation and things are not given law or theory distinctions based on how sure we are of them.

There are laws of evolution just as there are theories, but no amount of evidence will ever make a theory a law, because they refer to two completely different things!

 

[Nimzovik]

Disagreeing doesn’t mean anti woman.

Precisely.

 

[Armor_of_Light]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=681920 - where did the anti family vibe come from

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=683478 - men/women different responses to chastity.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=683873 - advice on marriage

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=683525 - men’s rights and catholicism

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=682916 - male’s in traditional marriage

There were a couple others this past month that got deleted.

But anyway, if you read through all these you’ll see an astounding amount of anti women attitude from quite a few members (mostly male members). I’ve never seen this type of attitude be sooo prevalent on CAF before. Where is this all coming from??

Hoo boy!! Where is that little popcorn guy?? Oh. well…

I hope I’m not one of ‘those’ men. Oh here it is

I read some of those threads (not all the way through, mind you) and did not pick up on the offenses…

I know when I click on almost any thread dealing with relationship trouble, divorce, problems in a marriage, etc…I brace myself for man-bashing. It does not happen nearly as much as I think. Just because some fuddy duddies want women in catholic burqua garb does not mean it is anti-women. We all grow (I’m told) so lets place this in the same category as hand-holding during the ‘Our Father’… pray for the offenders and move on.

 

[Et_Cetera]

Glad to see I’m not the only one to notice some of the anti-woman vibe, but we’re at forums.catholic-questions.org. Many of the overall attitudes expressed on this forum are much more strict and conservative than anything I have ever seen from Catholics in the real world. And I do agree that it’s not the whole board (which is evidenced by the existence of this thread), but there are definitely specific posters who seem misogynistic. I wish these people would think a little more about how they word things. I have rolled my eyes many a time at some of the views expressed toward women.