What's wrong with having background checks for gun ownership?

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Yeah.

“Be polite to me or I will shoot you in the head.”
The only people who think in those terms are thugs and criminals who are typically not considered part of a polite society.
And we wonder why this country is in this rapidly descending hand basket.
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I doubt law-abiding gun owners are responsible for that. If anything, they make things safer by deterring criminals who would otherwise be able to prey on defenseless citizens.
 
I doubt law-abiding gun owners are responsible for that. If anything, they make things safer by deterring criminals who would otherwise be able to prey on defenseless citizens.
Keep in mind that the deaths due to guns are more than 60% due to suicides and accidents. Law-abiding gun owners do nothing to deter the majority of gun deaths, and through their making guns more ubiquitous, actually facilitate many of those suicides and accidents. The “bad guys” preying on innocent citizens actually comprises a relatively small part of the problem. Take that into account when calculating if gun owners are helping or hurting overall.
 
. I don’t understand. I’m saying that if one disagrees with an armed society, then change the Constitution to limit the right to bear arms. This implies no disrespect for the constitution, just a view that lesser rights to guns may be more in keeping with the common good.
The part about the peoples right to own equal firearms as the Govt was the founding fathers best way to prevent a tyrannical Govt, Thomas Jefferson said “when a people fear their govt there is tyranny, when a govt fears the people there is liberty” and that is all too accurate.

However the Founding fathers could not have foreseen the complexity and methodical ways our Govt has managed to sway the opinions of the public (like making them believe gun control is better for everyone or for national security), naturally a tyrannical Govt will try to fool the people into thinking it is not a threat, if you can change what people believe, revolution will never be a problem.
 
Keep in mind that the deaths due to guns are more than 60% due to suicides and accidents. Law-abiding gun owners do nothing to deter the majority of gun deaths, and through their making guns more ubiquitous, actually facilitate many of those suicides and accidents. The “bad guys” preying on innocent citizens actually comprises a relatively small part of the problem. Take that into account when calculating if gun owners are helping or hurting overall.
The majority of gun deaths are by governments

Jon
 
In an armed society, you **are **always in danger from guns. That is the point.
And yet, had someone else besides the shooter had a gun in the Orlando nightclub, it may not have happened as it did.
 
…However the Founding fathers could not have foreseen…
The above is objectively true when it comes to their future (our present and beyond).
…the complexity and methodical ways our Govt has managed to sway the opinions of the public
And this seems somewhat self-serving and somewhat dismissive of opinions the public may form that differ from from…your own.
 
Why did any citizen need to be allowed to own a rapid fire military style weapon!:confused:
By that logic we should ban all automobiles that can go over 75 mph and make it illegal to own such automobiles.
 
By that logic we should ban all automobiles that can go over 75 mph and make it illegal to own such automobiles.
Trucks are often speed-limited. In principle, speed limiting cars is not unreasonable.

But the car analogy is not so good. First, you can only drive on the road a car which meets the myriad safety, environmental and other regulations applicable to cars. These regulations reduce the risk of harm and serve the common good. And secondly, while cars may be capable of speeds never legally exercisable, their potential to speed is not their primary function.

Why is it that citizens are allowed to own military style rapid fire weapons? The only argument I’ve heard is so that they can rise up against the government, or deter the government from turning on the people. This reason doesn’t ring true - but that’s just my opinion.
 
Trucks are often speed-limited. In principle, speed limiting cars is not unreasonable.

But the car analogy is not so good. First, you can only drive on the road a car which meets the myriad safety, environmental and other regulations applicable to cars. These regulations reduce the risk of harm and serve the common good. And secondly, while cars may be capable of speeds never legally exercisable, their potential to speed is not their primary function.

Why is it that citizens are allowed to own military style rapid fire weapons? The only argument I’ve heard is so that they can rise up against the government, or deter the government from turning on the people. This reason doesn’t ring true - but that’s just my opinion.
It doesn’t really ring true; but every nation has its history and mystique. This is part of ours, the armed frontiersman blasting away at agents of tyranny.

What is ignored is that the next tyranny would consist of Americans as well, and they would know how to get around that sort of inconvenience. Armed societies do go into tyranny.

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Grace & Peace!
…which is also not such an unreasonable proposal…
It’s also a category error.

An automobile is meant to transport people from one physical location to another.

An anti-personnel weapon is meant to kill people.

When life is lost in the course of operating an automobile, the automobile is not fulfilling it’s ultimate purpose. Such an event is usually called an accident. When a car is used to destroy life, it is being used contrary to its purpose, which purpose, again, relates to locomotion, not death.

When life is lost when operating an anti-personnel weapon, its purpose is fulfilled and confirmed. When life is lost in the mishandling or malicious use of an anti-personnel weapon, its purpose is fulfilled and confirmed.

There is a difference between a car and an anti-personnel weapon.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
Why is it that citizens are allowed to own military style rapid fire weapons?
That question can be asked of many things! Why is it that citizens are allowed to drink alcohol; smoke cigarettes; eat unhealthy foods;? Just like owning a automobile capable of going 160 mph if I obey the speed limit and operate it safely who are you to say I can not own it! I own several “military style” firearms. I own them for their historical significance, engineering design, a person history with that style and other reasons. I am a responsible owner. Are you in favor of banning pickup trucks because someone plows into some cyclists and kills five? Are you in favor banning social media because people bully someone to the point they commit suicide?
 
The above is objectively true when it comes to their future (our present and beyond).

And this seems somewhat self-serving and somewhat dismissive of opinions the public may form that differ from from…your own.
Well, I was mainly referring to things our Govt does, like take advantage of mass shootings, they set up gun buy back programs afterwards, they speak about needless death and violence, like they are on our side, and this does sway the minds of many people, Ive seen news reports after Sandy Hook, when a family turned in all their guns, saying, “after listening to the presidents speech, and the tragedy at sandy hook, I do not want any guns in my house anymore” He was standing in a line of 100s of people to turn in their guns???

Or when we hear about all the data storage and collection, spying on US citizens by Govt, of course they come out and explain its all due to national security, we are just doing all this to protect you, the citizen…yet many people believe them and agree they should be allowed to do this???

See what Im saying, its like people lost their common sense and would likely accept tyranny with open arms, if it was ‘explained’ to them the right way. LOL
 
That question can be asked of many things! Why is it that citizens are allowed to drink alcohol; smoke cigarettes; eat unhealthy foods;? Just like owning a automobile capable of going 160 mph if I obey the speed limit and operate it safely who are you to say I can not own it! I own several “military style” firearms. I own them for their historical significance, engineering design, a person history with that style and other reasons. I am a responsible owner. Are you in favor of banning pickup trucks because someone plows into some cyclists and kills five? Are you in favor banning social media because people bully someone to the point they commit suicide?
Well, this is the way our Govt has dealt with problems, instead of fighting the origin, they choose to focus on the tools or methods used, this is very apparent with the recent shooting, instead of the real problem (islamic terrorism), they are going after guns?? How stupid is that?

Same exact thing is going on in the drug war, with heroin, countless deaths, increasing OD numbers, yet they still will not go after the source, instead they focus on the users, small time dealers, and mostly local, despite the fact that Mexico has poppie fields that can be seen from space, since they have the quantities to keep the entire US fully supplied…yet NO ONE even suggests destroying these fields??
 
Well, this is the way our Govt has dealt with problems, instead of fighting the origin, they choose to focus on the tools or methods used, this is very apparent with the recent shooting, instead of the real problem (islamic terrorism), they are going after guns?? How stupid is that?
The Orlando shooting may be the event of the day, but that type of incident is a drop in the bucket compared to the largest source of gun deaths: suicides. And the second largest: common criminal homicides. And another significant type: accidents. All these categories of death by gun vastly outstrip death from terrorism. So railing against Islam would be especially stupid.

I also realize that proponents of gun control have cited the Orlando shooting and other mass shootings to support their side. Their argument is similarly flawed. Mass shootings should not be used by either side in this argument when the numbers just don’t add up.

As for “going after the source”, what makes you think that is not already being done - even in the case of mass shootings and terrorism?
 
That question can be asked of many things! Why is it that citizens are allowed to drink alcohol; smoke cigarettes; eat unhealthy foods;? Just like owning a automobile capable of going 160 mph if I obey the speed limit and operate it safely who are you to say I can not own it! I own several “military style” firearms. I own them for their historical significance, engineering design, a person history with that style and other reasons. I am a responsible owner. Are you in favor of banning pickup trucks because someone plows into some cyclists and kills five? Are you in favor banning social media because people bully someone to the point they commit suicide?
I think my prior post, and that of Deo Volente answers this. Why do we need (functioning) rapid fire military style anti-personnel weapons in thd hands on the citizenry ?
 
Keep in mind that the deaths due to guns are more than 60% due to suicides and accidents.
The vast majority of suicides by gun are male. If you really want to do something, give them something to live for instead of taking their guns. If someone is really determined to commit suicide, there are plenty of alternative methods. Japan for instance utilizes those methods at a higher rate than the United States.
Law-abiding gun owners do nothing to deter the majority of gun deaths, and through their making guns more ubiquitous, actually facilitate many of those suicides and accidents. The “bad guys” preying on innocent citizens actually comprises a relatively small part of the problem. Take that into account when calculating if gun owners are helping or hurting overall.
nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3 There are 250,000 defensive gun uses every year as indicated by this study which was done at the request of that NRA shill, the Obama Administration.
It’s also a category error.

An automobile is meant to transport people from one physical location to another.

An anti-personnel weapon is meant to kill people.

When life is lost in the course of operating an automobile, the automobile is not fulfilling it’s ultimate purpose. Such an event is usually called an accident. When a car is used to destroy life, it is being used contrary to its purpose, which purpose, again, relates to locomotion, not death.

When life is lost when operating an anti-personnel weapon, its purpose is fulfilled and confirmed. When life is lost in the mishandling or malicious use of an anti-personnel weapon, its purpose is fulfilled and confirmed.
The world is better off without some people. I hardly see this as a problem.
There is a difference between a car and an anti-personnel weapon.
Whether you are killed by a car or a gun, you are still just as dead, so this is irrelevant.
 
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