What's Wrong with Joyce Meyer?

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Besides being Protestant, what do Catholics find objectionable in Joyce Meyer’s teachings? I know that many Protestants criticize her teachings.

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Michael
 
mikeledes said:
Besides being Protestant, what do Catholics find objectionable in Joyce Meyer’s teachings? I know that many Protestants criticize her teachings.

God Bless,
Michael
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Two words.

“Prosperity Gospel”.
 
From her website,

**Does Joyce Meyer Ministries teach a “prosperity gospel”? **
Joyce Meyer Ministries believes that God desires to bless His people. Joyce teaches that God’s blessings and prosperity apply to the spiritual, emotional, physical and financial areas of life. These blessings and prosperity are then to be used to bless others (see Genesis 12:1-3). A “prosperity gospel” that solely equates blessing with financial gain is out of balance and could damage a person’s walk with God.
 
foundthelight said:
From her website,

Does Joyce Meyer Ministries teach a “prosperity gospel”?
Joyce Meyer Ministries believes that God desires to bless His people. Joyce teaches that God’s blessings and prosperity apply to the spiritual, emotional, physical and financial areas of life. These blessings and prosperity are then to be used to bless others (see Genesis 12:1-3). A “prosperity gospel” that solely equates blessing with financial gain is out of balance and could damage a person’s walk with God.
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What’s theologically wrong with the "propsperity gospel?’’ I’m asking because I have a Catholic friend that’s into Joys Meyer and Joel Osteen.

God Bless,
Michael
 
I do agree with the previous posts. However, in Meyer’s defense, I will say this about her: At least 90% of her teaching ministry concerns simple instruction on living a holy life, living a kind, loving life, turning the other cheek, and so on. Although her theology may be the same as other TV ministers, her actual teaching ministry does not focus on the “wealth” issues. Overall, what she does is good.

Plus, I have listened to her carefully. Almost every TV minister (the Protestant ones, anyway) veers at times right into outright heresy without blinking an eye. She doesn’t (as far as I can tell, anyway).
 
mikeledes said:
What’s theologically wrong with the "propsperity gospel?’’ I’m asking because I have a Catholic friend that’s into Joys Meyer and Joel Osteen.

God Bless,
Michael
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The primary problem that I see with the prosperity gospel is that it is condemnatory without just cause. Essentially, the point is that if a Christian suffers lack or goes through sickness, the basic reason is the Christian’s lack of faith. If the Christian understood the Bible correctly and had the proper faith in God, he or she would never suffer lack or sickness. This is flat-out condemnation for those Christians who do go through times of suffering.
 
(By the way, it’s also a form of Gnosticism. The proper “knowledge,” which is hidden from the rank-and-file Christians, translates into “blessings from God.”)
 
If your faith is strong enough you will never want for money and always have perfect health. Because Jesus wants you to have these things. As was pointed out, if you don’t have them, your faith isn’t strong enough.
 
cpayne said:
(By the way, it’s also a form of Gnosticism. The proper “knowledge,” which is hidden from the rank-and-file Christians, translates into “blessings from God.”)
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Wow,I had never even considered that,but it’s spot on!Thank you.👍
 
I keep saying, “Satan does not care if we go to Hell whether by disbelief, or misbelief.” I used to be live and let live on “other preachers” like Joyce Meyers, but seeing that preachers like this divert the truth, and lead people astray from the true Gospel, I now see it as heresy and therefore evil.

They “bend and ear” they say catchy things, it’s wrong, and the sad thin is people will die and go to Hell because of it. :mad:
 
cpayne said:
(By the way, it’s also a form of Gnosticism. The proper “knowledge,” which is hidden from the rank-and-file Christians, translates into “blessings from God.”)
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Charges of “gnosticism” seem overdone. What, specifically, is this “secret knowledge” that Meyer hides from rank-and-file Christians?
 
foundthelight said:
If your faith is strong enough you will never want for money and always have perfect health. Because Jesus wants you to have these things. As was pointed out, if you don’t have them, your faith isn’t strong enough.
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I dont’ think she teaches a message of prosperity , she is real in her approach , she always aknowledges her faults and teaches people to love God and others to do good to be thankful to God for your circumstances good or bad to be nice to peole to take ourselves out of our minds and put others first etc Do people really listen to her or are just judging , after all we can see if what she says is what God has to say in the Bible . She has helped me to be a better person in the inside …God bless her and use her .
 
Psalm 49
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Hear this, all you peoples! Give ear, all who inhabit the world,
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You of lowly birth or high estate, rich and poor alike.
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My mouth shall speak wisdom, my heart shall offer insight.
5
3 I will turn my attention to a problem, expound my question to the music of a lyre.
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Why should I fear in evil days, when my wicked pursuers ring me round,
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Those who trust in their wealth and boast of their abundant riches?
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4 One cannot redeem oneself, pay to God a ransom.
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Too high the price to redeem a life; one would never have enough
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To stay alive forever and never see the pit.
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Anyone can see that the wisest die, the fool and the senseless pass away too, and must leave their wealth to others.
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Tombs are their homes forever, their dwellings through all generations, though they gave their names to their lands.
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For all their riches mortals do not abide; they perish like the beasts.
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This is the destiny of those who trust in folly, the end of those so pleased with their wealth. Selah
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Like sheep they are herded into Sheol, where death will be their shepherd. Straight to the grave they descend, where their form will waste away, Sheol will be their palace.
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5 But God will redeem my life, will take me from the power of Sheol. Selah
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Do not fear when others become rich, when the wealth of their houses grows great.
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When they die they will take nothing with them, their wealth will not follow them down.
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When living, they congratulate themselves and say: “All praise you, you do so well.”
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But they will join the company of their forebears, never again to see the light.
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For all their riches, if mortals do not have wisdom, they perish like the beasts.
 
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Charges of “gnosticism” seem overdone. What, specifically, is this “secret knowledge” that Meyer hides from rank-and-file Christians?
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Joyce Meyer is truly a gifted teacher, and I mentioned earlier that I regard her highly. She’s not “hiding” her knowledge from other Christians. However, she to a lesser extent, and other TV ministers to a much greater extent, do commonly put down the vast majority of Christians, whom they regard as living in unbelief and lack of knowledge of God.

Those Christians, on the other hand, who follow their teachings and therefore “know the Word,” are the only ones who can expect and even require blessings from God, because they are the only ones with true “faith in the Word.”

The idea of a knowledge for the true “initiates” that leaves behind the basic knowledge or lack of knowledge of other Christians, is a Gnostic impulse.
 
I used to watch her show about 8 years ago–until I discovered EWTN. I also bought some of her tapes and attended one of her 3-day conferences. I still like her, but I don’t watch her anymore because I prefer EWTN. I feel like she was helpful to me at one time. I agree with cpayne’s evaluation of her. She gives good, practical advice about how to become holy and how to get along with people better. If you listen to her a lot, you will find out she has gone through a lot of hardship in her life. She was sexually abused by her father. She was abandoned by her first husband while she was pregnant. She is still married to her second husband (at least the last time I listened to her), but she has struggled through a lot of problems with him–most of them she admits were her own fault. Since she’s experienced so many problems yet has become successful with God’s help, people will listen to what she has to say. I also think she’s very funny; she probably could have been a stand-up comedian if she weren’t a TV evangelist.
 
I agree with what Judite, cpayne, and Janet S have all said in this thread. I’ve also heard Teresa Tomeo say positive things about Joyce Meyer. Joyce teaches a very practical message of how to live each day as a Christian – and sometimes her message can be very challenging in a good way. I love her saying, “Sitting in Church on Sunday doesn’t make you a Christian anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car.” I think if Joyce wasn’t in Christian ministry she could have been a psychologist — she knows people so well. And as Janet mentioned, Joyce can really make a person laugh. Most of the daily television programs are from taped conferences (my favorite), but she sometimes has guest speakers in her studio or special programming about the work Joyce Meyer Ministries does around the world.

Here is an excerpt from an article written by one of the CA apologists, Michelle Arnold, that may help:

"If one limits his exposure to the faith only to those individuals who one is certain largely conform to one’s own understanding of the faith, it is unlikely that such a person will ever grow beyond his own understanding of the faith. Applying “purity tests” to any and all resources that one will consider and automatically rejecting any that fail the exam means that one cannot benefit from the legitimate insights others may offer. "

You can read the entire article here: jimmyakin.org/2005/06/the_purity_test.html
 
This is what I think is scripturally wrong with Joyce Meyer:

1 Corinthians 14:34

34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.​

Although Deborah was a judge and Miriam was a prophet of the Lord. That’s Old Testament. And perhaps in their defense, we can argue that they never actually really were in a “church” so they can talk and teach. Which obviously is the Lord’s Will as described in the Bible.

But what about Joyce Meyer? Should Joyce Meyer be teaching in the churches? Who really knows? I can’t say that I know for certain it’s not God’s Will. Can anyone? Scripture says No, she shouldn’t. But we’ve seen that God’s Will allows the rule not to apply to some. Seems unfair, yes… but only because we’re limited in our knowledge and wisdom.

Anyway, I like Joyce Meyer. I must believe, that she believes, that she is doing God’s Will and doing so in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (Yes yes, so much bad stuff has been done in the name of the Lord, blah blah blah). Therefore, I respect her in that regards. I personally do not agree with a lot of the stuff she says, but who knows, maybe she is correct and I’m wrong. Is she 100% correct or 100% incorrect? Probably not. Pray that the Lord help us pick out the good stuff and forget the bad stuff. Learn where you can.

Be Humble.
 
It is interesting that I live a few miles from where she lives. I don’t see much to object to if all you want is platitudes and stuff that “tickles your ears”. There is much more that is important that I don’t hear her preach about. So if the quality of preaching is about what makes you feel good and avoiding important stuff while you do it, then she qualifies as very good.

If we want substance, for example, of how we build up the Body of Christ and add to the Treasury of Merit, how the importance of Baptism is to our souls, the value of receiving the true Body and Blood of Christ to grow in His Holiness, the necessity for Grace, the confessing of sins, the importance of Liturgy,etc, she misses many of the points as so does her audience.

I listen to her every now and then.

mdcpensive1
 
mdcpensive1 said:
It is interesting that I live a few miles from where she lives. I don’t see much to object to if all you want is platitudes and stuff that “tickles your ears”. There is much more that is important that I don’t hear her preach about. So if the quality of preaching is about what makes you feel good and avoiding important stuff while you do it, then she qualifies as very good.

If we want substance, for example, of how we build up the Body of Christ and add to the Treasury of Merit, how the importance of Baptism is to our souls, the value of receiving the true Body and Blood of Christ to grow in His Holiness, the necessity for Grace, the confessing of sins, the importance of Liturgy,etc, she misses many of the points as so does her audience.

I listen to her every now and then.

mdcpensive1
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Well, yeah. But come on—treasury of merit, importance of baptism, the true Body and Blood, confessing of sins, Liturgy?

I agree that these things are important. But if all you’re saying is that she’s not Catholic and neither are most of her audience, that’s already been acknowledged, right?

Kind of funny—I really disagree with a lot of her doctrinal stances, and here I am sticking up for her. 🤷
 
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